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Post by soccer888 on Nov 3, 2020 8:47:37 GMT -5
Parents of older players, what's your advice for younger players u13-u15 who are on a lower team but who have the ability & desire to play higher? They may get 75-100% game time on lower team, but the game is just not good soccer. Is that still valuable?
Are top team players developing faster this year, widening the gap forever? It feels like the future is being decided at a really young age. Hoping that's not the case (especially given the lack of proper tryouts this year).
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 3, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -5
You're kinda right. Practicing bad soccer is of limited use, IMO. If the kid has the desire - do a lot of private training/self-training and get their technical skills up.. then go bounce clubs if need be to get on a better team.
Training with/against better players is an enormous difference. Also, the older they get, the harder it is to move up teams within their same club.
Getting/staying on top teams younger is a HUGE advantage. Yes, the gap keeps widening. They get more/better opportunities to play and train.. they often get benefits that lower teams don't. Despite what people may say - they get the benefit of the doubt when moving teams.
I know of one current scenario where a top team chose a player who had already been cut from two top teams the previous two years.. over a second team player trying to move up. The 'second team' player eventually found a good home. The 'top team' player is scoreless and the 'second team' player is currently leading their team in scoring. But the 'top team' player got the benefit of the doubt when choosing.. despite being cut twice.
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Post by flix on Nov 3, 2020 10:14:51 GMT -5
You're kinda right. Practicing bad soccer is of limited use, IMO. If the kid has the desire - do a lot of private training/self-training and get their technical skills up.. then go bounce clubs if need be to get on a better team. Training with/against better players is an enormous difference. Also, the older they get, the harder it is to move up teams within their same club. Getting/staying on top teams younger is a HUGE advantage. Yes, the gap keeps widening. They get more/better opportunities to play and train.. they often get benefits that lower teams don't. Despite what people may say - they get the benefit of the doubt when moving teams. I know of one current scenario where a top team chose a player who had already been cut from two top teams the previous two years.. over a second team player trying to move up. The 'second team' player eventually found a good home. The 'top team' player is scoreless and the 'second team' player is currently leading their team in scoring. But the 'top team' player got the benefit of the doubt when choosing.. despite being cut twice. I agree with everything you have said. It’s really amazing how politics will distort the eye test. A lot of times those top teams are formed with kids that have played together for some time. They will add a few pieces here and there but the main core is the same. I have seen players on second teams who I thought should have been on the top team that were never given an opportunity. I could be wrong but at the academy level the coach and the team manager can have enormous power over who gets granted access to the kingdom. However, a lot of times those “second team” players end up further ahead of those top team players in the long run. |
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Post by justwatching on Nov 3, 2020 10:47:22 GMT -5
If the kid truly does not belong on the team because the level is too low and they have aspirations to play at a higher level there is little value in staying. The biggest development of performance specific areas for an athlete is playing against kids of like abilities that can challenge them. Depending on the kid and club that might be the first team or it could be the fourth team. But practicing bad soccer doesn't make you better at anything except bad soccer regardless of how many minutes they are playing.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 3, 2020 10:48:31 GMT -5
I agree that often movement to a different club will help as will additional outside training.
Yes things can be decided way too young. Especially for late bloomers and kids that take time to get aggressive and confident.
If you can find a way to train with the higher team that helps. Additional outside things like ODP and futsal can be of benefit as well.
Good luck. It is a tough road to scratch and claw your way up but it builds grit and character.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 3, 2020 10:50:36 GMT -5
Sounds like its time for a change. We will be making a change of some sort next tryout. No idea what it is yet, but at some point good players need better players around them.
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Post by newposter on Nov 3, 2020 18:42:26 GMT -5
While I understand a few of the points and some of the frustrations. If you think your player is better than the top 18 and arent being selected then move. Please remember though that by u14/u15, the top teams (Big 6) generally have the best players. The coaches know who the best are, the kids know too. Players are the best recruiters.
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