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Post by futbolmama on Nov 18, 2020 9:55:26 GMT -5
My son is in u10 and is playing in a couple of end of season tournaments. I’ve been wondering do some clubs move players around to make teams for only tournaments to win?
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Post by bogan on Nov 18, 2020 10:00:17 GMT -5
My son is in u10 and is playing in a couple of end of season tournaments. I’ve been wondering do some clubs move players around to make teams for only tournaments to win? In short; yes, they do. |
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Post by blu on Nov 18, 2020 10:13:09 GMT -5
Especially at the academy ages.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 18, 2020 12:03:37 GMT -5
Yes they do. You will also see teams playing in lower level brackets so they can win.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 18, 2020 12:30:10 GMT -5
Yes.
I agree with all of the above.
At the academy ages sometimes it is an issue of numbers as well. If you are playing 9v9 and you have 10 kids on your roster it makes sense to have 11 or 12 for a tournament because they play multiple games in a day and kids get sick and hurt and you don't want no subs or to play down a man (I have seen both and it stinks).
A lot of the times it is not for extra subs or numbers though. Sometimes it is for the win. Especially clubs with many teams and multiple locations (NTH, UFA, GSA, CF, SSA)
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Post by soccerparentx on Nov 18, 2020 13:01:43 GMT -5
My son is in u10 and is playing in a couple of end of season tournaments. I’ve been wondering do some clubs move players around to make teams for only tournaments to win? In some cases, there are kids that don't have a tournament to play and are guest playing. Our experience is that the clubs are really good at categorizing which competitive group their team belongs. I would say that there may be a team or two that is sandbagging-- but it's rare -- for boys academy anyway. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 18, 2020 14:31:18 GMT -5
Yes they do. You will also see teams playing in lower level brackets so they can win. We call that 'trophy hunting' |
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Post by sidelinesdad on Nov 18, 2020 15:30:33 GMT -5
Well I don't know about you all but we are losing players left and right now due to school mandated quarantine periods. Tournament is going to be a tough one to make it to at this rate.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 18, 2020 15:51:41 GMT -5
Well I don't know about you all but we are losing players left and right now due to school mandated quarantine periods. Tournament is going to be a tough one to make it to at this rate. Is this for positive tests? Or just for players who are attending classes in person? I know my private school players can’t travel over night and then go back to in person classes without a 10 day quarantine afterwards. |
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Post by sidelinesdad on Nov 18, 2020 16:32:42 GMT -5
If they were determined to be "high risk" exposure to a student at school who turned out to be positive for COVID they are put on a mandatory 14 day quarantine and must do class from home for those two weeks. County is following CDC guidelines. By being quarantined they are not allowed to participate in soccer practices or games until allowed to go back to school.
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Post by bogan on Nov 18, 2020 19:05:51 GMT -5
Well I don't know about you all but we are losing players left and right now due to school mandated quarantine periods. Tournament is going to be a tough one to make it to at this rate. Is this for positive tests? Or just for players who are attending classes in person? I know my private school players can’t travel over night and then go back to in person classes without a 10 day quarantine afterwards. I’ve got a sinking feeling that we are going to get shuttered after Turkey day. I want to be wrong... |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 18, 2020 19:13:20 GMT -5
Is this for positive tests? Or just for players who are attending classes in person? I know my private school players can’t travel over night and then go back to in person classes without a 10 day quarantine afterwards. I’ve got a sinking feeling that we are going to get shuttered after Turkey day. I want to be wrong... I hear ya, most frequent thing I’m hearing is what if Covid hits us or the tournament? Wear the damn masks and be safe. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2020 7:49:15 GMT -5
If they were determined to be "high risk" exposure to a student at school who turned out to be positive for COVID they are put on a mandatory 14 day quarantine and must do class from home for those two weeks. County is following CDC guidelines. By being quarantined they are not allowed to participate in soccer practices or games until allowed to go back to school. See I think the blanket one size fits all policy is dumb. You need to go by date test was done on the person positive and start the 14 days from there not the date the test comes back if they did a PCR test that takes 3-4 days to get results back. I then think at day 7 of quarantine from exposure, two successive quick tests negative for covid on two consecutive days should allow for that person to be able to go back to not being quarantined. If college and pro sports teams can test their players daily and have that type of procedure in place and with all the urgent cares having plenty of rapid tests available, I don't see why a person with two successive days of testing negative couldn't be cleared to go back to school as long as it has been 7-8 days after exposure. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 19, 2020 7:52:12 GMT -5
If they were determined to be "high risk" exposure to a student at school who turned out to be positive for COVID they are put on a mandatory 14 day quarantine and must do class from home for those two weeks. County is following CDC guidelines. By being quarantined they are not allowed to participate in soccer practices or games until allowed to go back to school. See I think the blanket one size fits all policy is dumb. You need to go by date test was done on the person positive and start the 14 days from there not the date the test comes back if they did a PCR test that takes 3-4 days to get results back. I then think at day 7 of quarantine from exposure, two successive quick tests negative for covid on two consecutive days should allow for that person to be able to go back to not being quarantined. If college and pro sports teams can test their players daily and have that type of procedure in place and with all the urgent cares having plenty of rapid tests available, I don't see why a person with two successive days of testing negative couldn't be cleared to go back to school as long as it has been 7-8 days after exposure. Because the incubation period for the virus is 14 days. That means you could have been exposed and take 14 days until you have enough virus replicated in your system to test positive. Microbiology 101 |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2020 7:58:00 GMT -5
See I think the blanket one size fits all policy is dumb. You need to go by date test was done on the person positive and start the 14 days from there not the date the test comes back if they did a PCR test that takes 3-4 days to get results back. I then think at day 7 of quarantine from exposure, two successive quick tests negative for covid on two consecutive days should allow for that person to be able to go back to not being quarantined. If college and pro sports teams can test their players daily and have that type of procedure in place and with all the urgent cares having plenty of rapid tests available, I don't see why a person with two successive days of testing negative couldn't be cleared to go back to school as long as it has been 7-8 days after exposure. Because the incubation period for the virus is 14 days. That means you could have been exposed and take 14 days until you have enough virus replicated in your system to test positive. Microbiology 101 If you look at the actual facts of incubation the average is nowhere near 14 days. The median range is 4-5 days and almost all show symptoms if they are going to get it between 2-7 days after exposure. 14 days is overkill and only happens in a very low low % of people. They are being overly cautious to say 14 days. In fact they changed their guidelines for businesses down to 10 days no symptoms in essential jobs. I know some extremely essential jobs that tell their employees that if they don't show symptoms by day 7 to come back to work due to the need for them to work. 14 days is overkill even scientifically. |
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Post by roki12 on Nov 19, 2020 8:31:51 GMT -5
Premier Tournament in Bethesda MD shut down this weekend. Other states are putting restrictions on youth sports and school sports. I’m feeling like the soccer season is pretty much done, they just haven’t told us yet.
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Post by soccergurl on Nov 19, 2020 8:50:13 GMT -5
If you look at the actual facts of incubation the average is nowhere near 14 days. 14 days is overkill and only happens in a very low low % of people. They are being overly cautious to say 14 days. 14 days is overkill even scientifically. |lookout minions da doc is in da houzz| |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2020 9:00:48 GMT -5
If you look at the actual facts of incubation the average is nowhere near 14 days. 14 days is overkill and only happens in a very low low % of people. They are being overly cautious to say 14 days. 14 days is overkill even scientifically. |lookout minions da doc is in da houzz| Says the person that can not even type/speak fluent English but says she is a teacher of kids in a school system in Georgia. Sorry if I roll my eyes and laugh at anything you say at all. I pulled all those stats from a simple google search of reputable medical websites. The internet is your friend. |
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Post by sidelinesdad on Nov 19, 2020 9:11:25 GMT -5
I've heard that there are still over 100 SCCL games to be made up due to teams having to postpone mostly due to quarantine issues.
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Post by soccergurl on Nov 19, 2020 10:56:48 GMT -5
I pulled all those stats from a simple google search of reputable medical websites. The internet is your friend. |wait you are NOT a real doc but a google doc - get it, google doc| |wrong term - internet is your friend| |correct term - Google is your friend| |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 19, 2020 11:42:51 GMT -5
I've heard that there are still over 100 SCCL games to be made up due to teams having to postpone mostly due to quarantine issues. Yep games going to mid December because no one wants to play next week and weekend. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2020 11:45:19 GMT -5
I've heard that there are still over 100 SCCL games to be made up due to teams having to postpone mostly due to quarantine issues. Yep games going to mid December because no one wants to play next week and weekend. My son's team finished their SCCL season with only really 1 game postponed for covid reasons though that game got postponed twice due to it. The only other one was due to rainout, but it was played promptly a week or so later. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 19, 2020 12:52:26 GMT -5
Yep games going to mid December because no one wants to play next week and weekend. My son's team finished their SCCL season with only really 1 game postponed for covid reasons though that game got postponed twice due to it. The only other one was due to rainout, but it was played promptly a week or so later. Lucky you! We have one from AFU that was postponed due to Covid, one that was a rainout and then Fc alliance since they just wrapped up HS in Tennessee. |
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Post by Shesakeeper on Nov 21, 2020 18:30:19 GMT -5
Yeah, same here, we still have 4 games to go, including Birmingham Dec 13th, which should be lovely. 🥶 FC was the only one actually scheduled that late, the others were Covid quarantine or rainouts. My son's team finished their SCCL season with only really 1 game postponed for covid reasons though that game got postponed twice due to it. The only other one was due to rainout, but it was played promptly a week or so later. Lucky you! We have one from AFU that was postponed due to Covid, one that was a rainout and then Fc alliance since they just wrapped up HS in Tennessee. |
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Post by guest on Nov 23, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -5
If they were determined to be "high risk" exposure to a student at school who turned out to be positive for COVID they are put on a mandatory 14 day quarantine and must do class from home for those two weeks. County is following CDC guidelines. By being quarantined they are not allowed to participate in soccer practices or games until allowed to go back to school. This is not entirely accurate. Different organizations have different rules and definitions about what is considered close contact, timelines, etc while still following CDC guidelines. For example, school can say someone was within 6’ for >15 min of someone who sneezed and therefore he gets popped for two weeks. No school or school games. But the county parks said since he was wearing a mask during the close contact to the suspect case, it did not reach the threshold to quarantine. So he could play in county parks and rec activities. School said he was out mask or no mask. We knew the someone who sneezed and we knew it was just to get a two week vacation. No school or practice for two weeks. Happens all the time. Kids are smart. Got a math test you didn’t study for? Cough a few times and get a two week reprieve to make it up. Sad times. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 23, 2020 9:32:35 GMT -5
I think they should follow the 5-day median for contact incubation and say "Wait 7 days, get tests on the 7th and 8th days, if both negative, you're good to return." Some people have the virus for more than 7 days and are asymptomatic (they say), so the 14-day quarantine is just shooting in the dark.
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Post by guest on Nov 23, 2020 9:37:38 GMT -5
If they were determined to be "high risk" exposure to a student at school who turned out to be positive for COVID they are put on a mandatory 14 day quarantine and must do class from home for those two weeks. County is following CDC guidelines. By being quarantined they are not allowed to participate in soccer practices or games until allowed to go back to school. See I think the blanket one size fits all policy is dumb. You need to go by date test was done on the person positive and start the 14 days from there not the date the test comes back if they did a PCR test that takes 3-4 days to get results back. I then think at day 7 of quarantine from exposure, two successive quick tests negative for covid on two consecutive days should allow for that person to be able to go back to not being quarantined. If college and pro sports teams can test their players daily and have that type of procedure in place and with all the urgent cares having plenty of rapid tests available, I don't see why a person with two successive days of testing negative couldn't be cleared to go back to school as long as it has been 7-8 days after exposure. . Suspect cases are more than double the confirmed cases. No positive test. No test at all. No way to “date” anything. And for every suspect case 20+ other kids lose out on school and games. Yes there are actually people who get sick, get tested, and test positive, and are quarantined for the appropriate time. But this is the minority. |
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Post by guest on Nov 23, 2020 9:45:24 GMT -5
I think they should follow the 5-day median for contact incubation and say "Wait 7 days, get tests on the 7th and 8th days, if both negative, you're good to return." Some people have the virus for more than 7 days and are asymptomatic (they say), so the 14-day quarantine is just shooting in the dark. if they did that, they wouldn’t be able to say we are following cdc guidelines and would open themselves up to liability. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 23, 2020 10:01:22 GMT -5
Median incubation period + 2 negative tests + no symptoms should be the gold standard. The CDC has shown more than once during this sheetshow that they don't really know what they're doing. They're a lot better at this stuff in the movies.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 23, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
Median incubation period + 2 negative tests + no symptoms should be the gold standard. The CDC has shown more than once during this sheetshow that they don't really know what they're doing. They're a lot better at this stuff in the movies. Where do you get your information that it should be the gold standard? Plus I have to agree on the liability issue. You cannot go with the median incubation period from a liability standpoint. You have to go with the longest documented incubation period. Otherwise you are 100% opening yourself to liability. As for the CDC not knowing what they are doing...this is a new virus and information changes. Guidelines will change. That is how it works. When I went through my training you could not get your ACL done if you were over 40 and you could not get a total knee replacement if you were under 65. Those things changed over time slowly in about 5 year increments as data came out that said it made sense to fix the ACL of someone older and do total knees on people younger. As these things are not emergencies the data changed slowly whereas COVID information changed rapidly. |
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