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Post by guest on Nov 23, 2020 10:21:33 GMT -5
I know several booster club presidents and association directors who couldn’t give a flying flip about The Virus but are keenly aware how this impacts their ability to run their league. Increasing case numbers = reduced chances of league play. I’m not arguing one way or another about The Virus but I really want our kids to go to school and play sports. Therefore do what ‘the powers that be’ say.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 23, 2020 10:47:07 GMT -5
BTW I'm not making any arguments about the virus. I think it should be a serious concern for everyone.
Just saying i think they should "back the science". Because IF the incubation period can be 14 days AND a person can be asymptomatic, the quarantine has effectively done nothing.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 23, 2020 10:49:07 GMT -5
Yes. I agree with all of the above. At the academy ages sometimes it is an issue of numbers as well. If you are playing 9v9 and you have 10 kids on your roster it makes sense to have 11 or 12 for a tournament because they play multiple games in a day and kids get sick and hurt and you don't want no subs or to play down a man (I have seen both and it stinks). A lot of the times it is not for extra subs or numbers though. Sometimes it is for the win. Especially clubs with many teams and multiple locations (NTH, UFA, GSA, CF, SSA) Speaking for NTH at the academy level we don't drop players down for girls teams, often times our White and Blue teams are playing in the top two brackets at tournaments. I will say there was a club that shall remain nameless that played their SCCL team in the second bracket this past weekend, probably to avoid playing the NTH Gold team...that's trophy hunting. The biggest disappointment were their parents running up and down the sideline acting like they won the world cup after beating a clubs third level team. |
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Post by bogan on Nov 23, 2020 11:03:53 GMT -5
...or the cowbell after scoring a goal. I’m just not a fan.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 23, 2020 11:12:00 GMT -5
I assume you're talking about GSA SCCL 07G at UFA Fall classic?
Looks like that team is a bottom-half SCCL club team, 2nd bracket is probably a good fit for them, considering the top bracket was full with 8-teams (1 ECNL, 1 NPL, 1 DPL, 2 NL, and 2 top-half bracket SCCL club team). Congrats to them, they're a weaker team that won a weaker bracket.
Also, how about the Red Wolves 07 and 06 teams, what league do they play in???
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Post by footyfan on Nov 23, 2020 11:28:41 GMT -5
I pulled all those stats from a simple google search of reputable medical websites. The internet is your friend. |wait you are NOT a real doc but a google doc - get it, google doc| |wrong term - internet is your friend| |correct term - Google is your friend| L.O.L. The interwebs: uploading the wisdoms to Google docs worldwide |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 23, 2020 11:35:42 GMT -5
Yes. I agree with all of the above. At the academy ages sometimes it is an issue of numbers as well. If you are playing 9v9 and you have 10 kids on your roster it makes sense to have 11 or 12 for a tournament because they play multiple games in a day and kids get sick and hurt and you don't want no subs or to play down a man (I have seen both and it stinks). A lot of the times it is not for extra subs or numbers though. Sometimes it is for the win. Especially clubs with many teams and multiple locations (NTH, UFA, GSA, CF, SSA) Speaking for NTH at the academy level we don't drop players down for girls teams, often times our White and Blue teams are playing in the top two brackets at tournaments. I will say there was a club that shall remain nameless that played their SCCL team in the second bracket this past weekend, probably to avoid playing the NTH Gold team...that's trophy hunting. The biggest disappointment were their parents running up and down the sideline acting like they won the world cup after beating a clubs third level team. Just curious - how is that SCCL team doing this year? Just wondering if maybe they're struggling and asked to play in a lower bracket more suited to their talent level? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 23, 2020 12:32:07 GMT -5
Yes. I agree with all of the above. At the academy ages sometimes it is an issue of numbers as well. If you are playing 9v9 and you have 10 kids on your roster it makes sense to have 11 or 12 for a tournament because they play multiple games in a day and kids get sick and hurt and you don't want no subs or to play down a man (I have seen both and it stinks). A lot of the times it is not for extra subs or numbers though. Sometimes it is for the win. Especially clubs with many teams and multiple locations (NTH, UFA, GSA, CF, SSA) Speaking for NTH at the academy level we don't drop players down for girls teams, often times our White and Blue teams are playing in the top two brackets at tournaments. I will say there was a club that shall remain nameless that played their SCCL team in the second bracket this past weekend, probably to avoid playing the NTH Gold team...that's trophy hunting. The biggest disappointment were their parents running up and down the sideline acting like they won the world cup after beating a clubs third level team. With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 23, 2020 14:40:29 GMT -5
Speaking for NTH at the academy level we don't drop players down for girls teams, often times our White and Blue teams are playing in the top two brackets at tournaments. I will say there was a club that shall remain nameless that played their SCCL team in the second bracket this past weekend, probably to avoid playing the NTH Gold team...that's trophy hunting. The biggest disappointment were their parents running up and down the sideline acting like they won the world cup after beating a clubs third level team. With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 23, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket I'm genuinely curious to know which age group you're referring to and if it's boys or girls? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 23, 2020 15:53:13 GMT -5
With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket I am speaking in generalities. I am not aware of which teams you are speaking. For example, in the past the LSA 05 Girls team played in a 3rd bracket out of 4. This was many years ago but it was still below the level that they needed to play. It was not their tournament though so maybe they were put in the wrong bracket through no fault of their own. If you wish to speak about a particular team then please call them out here. My kids don't play SCCL at any level and they did not play in the tournament last weekend. Several other posters also want to know what team you are referring to. I am just commenting on what I have seen in the past in generalities. I have seen trophy hunting teams. I have seen teams get put in brackets that they don't want to be in. I have been a TM who has asked to get moved up a bracket and been denied and then beat the teams we were playing by double digits even when voluntarily playing a man down (in one game 2 men down). Oh and that was in our own club's tournament. |
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 23, 2020 16:13:56 GMT -5
With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket I looked through the brackets and I do not see any age group where that happened--a NTH Gold team in the first bracket and a UFA top team in the 2nd bracket. Given that you are a coach at NTH and talking about SCCL, I assume that you are talking about the U12 age group and UFA 09G Red beating NTH Tophat 09G Navy. However, the Red team is the 2nd team for UFA. In fact, the UFA Premier team played in the top bracket and beat NTH Gold in the final. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 23, 2020 16:29:25 GMT -5
This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket I looked through the brackets and I do not see any age group where that happened--a NTH Gold team in the first bracket and a UFA top team in the 2nd bracket. Given that you are a coach at NTH and talking about SCCL, I assume that you are talking about the U12 age group and UFA 09G Red beating NTH Tophat 09G Navy. However, the Red team is the 2nd team for UFA. In the UFA Premier team played in the top bracket and beat NTH Gold in the final. I looked through the brackets too, both boys & girls, and don't see what soccerfan30 is referring to either. |
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Post by sidelinesdad on Nov 23, 2020 22:52:39 GMT -5
I know of a team that wanted to play down a bracket because they lost several top team players to school mandated quarantines but turned out is was irrelevant as the whole team had to pull out after losing a total of 7-8 players. Bummer but the right call.
If the scores are close overall the bracket is most likely right. Yes some sandbag it seems but mostly coaches and tournaments get it right in my experience.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 24, 2020 16:32:56 GMT -5
I think they should follow the 5-day median for contact incubation and say "Wait 7 days, get tests on the 7th and 8th days, if both negative, you're good to return." Some people have the virus for more than 7 days and are asymptomatic (they say), so the 14-day quarantine is just shooting in the dark. It would seem you and I are on the same page as the CDC really when it comes down to it despite what the two trolls in this post want to say. It seems you and I are thinking logically about incubation and quarantine times as they are considering moving their entire policy to 7-10 days instead of 14 days. www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-considers-shortening-coronavirus-quarantine-period |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 24, 2020 16:54:27 GMT -5
I think they should follow the 5-day median for contact incubation and say "Wait 7 days, get tests on the 7th and 8th days, if both negative, you're good to return." Some people have the virus for more than 7 days and are asymptomatic (they say), so the 14-day quarantine is just shooting in the dark. It would seem you and I are on the same page as the CDC really when it comes down to it despite what the two trolls in this post want to say. It seems you and I are thinking logically about incubation and quarantine times as they are considering moving their entire policy to 7-10 days instead of 14 days. www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-considers-shortening-coronavirus-quarantine-periodI am always pleased to change my opinion when the science backs it. When/if the CDC makes a change and they present science that backs it then great! That article does state, however, that they are considering changing the policy to improve compliance with quarantines, not because it means you can't get the virus after 7 days (or 10 days) with a negative test. An epidemiologist's job is to slow the spread of disease. If they believe a less stringent policy will increase compliance and thus slow the spread of the disease they will consider changing the policy. Liability will follow the CDC guidelines. If they change the policy then the likelihood of being sued for not following an old guideline is nearly nonexistent. Sincerely, One of the "trolls"🙄 |
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Post by 04gparent on Nov 24, 2020 17:03:52 GMT -5
I love the fact the club rivalries tend to make their way into all the conversations! Now all we need to do if restart the who develops more players conversation...
JK.
Happy early Thanksgiving Forumites!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 24, 2020 17:59:06 GMT -5
I love the fact the club rivalries tend to make their way into all the conversations! Now all we need to do if restart the who develops more players conversation... JK. Happy early Thanksgiving Forumites! Hahaha! My favorite conversation |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 30, 2020 7:24:24 GMT -5
I am always pleased to change my opinion when the science backs it. When/if the CDC makes a change and they present science that backs it then great! That article does state, however, that they are considering changing the policy to improve compliance with quarantines, not because it means you can't get the virus after 7 days (or 10 days) with a negative test. An epidemiologist's job is to slow the spread of disease. If they believe a less stringent policy will increase compliance and thus slow the spread of the disease they will consider changing the policy. Liability will follow the CDC guidelines. If they change the policy then the likelihood of being sued for not following an old guideline is nearly nonexistent. Sincerely, One of the "trolls"🙄 For the record you were not one of the trolls I speak of. There are 2 people that constantly troll that obviously don't like me. You are not one of them. You and I can debate things and keep it civil. |
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Post by soccergurl on Nov 30, 2020 8:58:24 GMT -5
There are 2 people that constantly troll that obviously don't like me. |finally something we agree on| btw never use faux-news as a source| 1 of your trolls| |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 30, 2020 9:29:12 GMT -5
There are 2 people that constantly troll that obviously don't like me. |finally something we agree on| btw never use faux-news as a source| 1 of your trolls| No one summoned you troll. Go back under your bridge. Also you can say what you want, but there are 50 different articles on this topic from any source you want to read not just Fox. Maybe actually read the story sometime before you just ASSume things about an article due to its source. Again though, no one summoned you. You can go back from which you came. |
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 30, 2020 9:37:34 GMT -5
Yes. I agree with all of the above. At the academy ages sometimes it is an issue of numbers as well. If you are playing 9v9 and you have 10 kids on your roster it makes sense to have 11 or 12 for a tournament because they play multiple games in a day and kids get sick and hurt and you don't want no subs or to play down a man (I have seen both and it stinks). A lot of the times it is not for extra subs or numbers though. Sometimes it is for the win. Especially clubs with many teams and multiple locations (NTH, UFA, GSA, CF, SSA) Speaking for NTH at the academy level we don't drop players down for girls teams, often times our White and Blue teams are playing in the top two brackets at tournaments. I will say there was a club that shall remain nameless that played their SCCL team in the second bracket this past weekend, probably to avoid playing the NTH Gold team...that's trophy hunting. The biggest disappointment were their parents running up and down the sideline acting like they won the world cup after beating a clubs third level team. Just to correct you if the other team played the SCCL team in the lower bracket it could have been the NTH 4-5 team they played. The SCCL-C team is the 4th level team at NTH |
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Post by sailingaway on Dec 3, 2020 8:31:39 GMT -5
With NTH I was more stating that I have seen times at the academy ages where they make a super team in a tournament where they pull top players from other locations to play on the top team. There is nothing wrong with this practice IMO. My kids have been at big 6 clubs for 5 years and we have seen many teams make tournament teams. I really don't think that is a bad thing. This year with low numbers we have seen teams pool resources more than in the past. Again I don't have an issue with this. I do have an issue with trophy hunting. That being said teams do not have 100% control over their placement. Sometimes they put an over qualified team in a lower bracket. Though I have seen placements that I know were requested by teams as I have been a TM for many years and know many other TM's. This was a UFA team at their own tournament, of course they can control the bracket ALLLLLLL of this! UFA sandbagged in several last weekend and is doing it again this coming weekend in Norcross. Last weekend I watched a UFA NL girls team beat up on a NTH SCCL 3 team incorrectly placed in the upper bracket. For years I have seen tournaments getting it wrong with little to no communication when you draw their attention to it. "Uh, hey there, you have your SCCL Club level team in your bottom bracket with SCCL 3 teams, are you aware?" Crickets. "Uh, hey there, our Athena C team somehow got placed in the top bracket against NL and ECNL teams, can you adjust the seeding?" Nada. "Uh, hey there, we just finished our SCCL season 9/10, but the team that finished 3/10 is in the lower bracket and we are in the higher bracket, what gives?" I have seen the good and bad. I've been with teams that have beaten 9-0 and been beaten 0-9. It's just not a good experience for anyone. Coaches, players, or parents. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 3, 2020 11:16:58 GMT -5
This was a UFA team at their own tournament, of course they can control the bracket ALLLLLLL of this! UFA sandbagged in several last weekend and is doing it again this coming weekend in Norcross. Last weekend I watched a UFA NL girls team beat up on a NTH SCCL 3 team incorrectly placed in the upper bracket. For years I have seen tournaments getting it wrong with little to no communication when you draw their attention to it. "Uh, hey there, you have your SCCL Club level team in your bottom bracket with SCCL 3 teams, are you aware?" Crickets. "Uh, hey there, our Athena C team somehow got placed in the top bracket against NL and ECNL teams, can you adjust the seeding?" Nada. "Uh, hey there, we just finished our SCCL season 9/10, but the team that finished 3/10 is in the lower bracket and we are in the higher bracket, what gives?" I have seen the good and bad. I've been with teams that have beaten 9-0 and been beaten 0-9. It's just not a good experience for anyone. Coaches, players, or parents. As a TM I always found it harder to get moved UP a bracket than moved down. Why was the request to move down from a SCCL 3 team not met? This is not the same as a top team being placed in a lower bracket. Your other statement about team 9 being placed in a higher division than team 3 is likely due to one of several reasons. 1) one or both teams did not put results into sinc sports (or the requested info for seeding in the tournament) or 2)one or both teams requesting the wrong level when entering or 3) the tournament not having enough teams to seed correctly. Frankly I have seen a lot of all of these issues. Teams request a higher or lower level than they really are qualified for. The sinc sports rankings may be based on a prior year's or many prior years' history and the team is entirely different and thus better or worse than their ranking implies. People (TM and coaches) do not update their scores and thus the rankings are total BS. Garbage in, garbage out! In all of my years doing TM duty (which is 7 or 8) the biggest offender for sandbagging has not been UFA. I will say that the quality of the UFA tournaments has been decreasing due to an increase in the number of other clubs doing tournaments at the same time and the decreased number of teams overall in the area. The best results are when tournaments have 3-4 levels minimum. When my older one played in Norcross and Fall Classics (as a member of a different club) there were 3 and 4 levels for each age group of girls academy and at least 3 for the older age groups. This year there is no U9 girls at all and only one bracket for U 11 girls. This is what harms the level of competition!!! |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Dec 3, 2020 13:31:11 GMT -5
This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the SCCL teams the third team at UFA? Why would anyone expect a third team to play in the top bracket? Correct - UFA sets up this way: ECNL & NPL teams are the top 2 teams @ UFA Forsyth. SCCL-C teams are the top team @ UFA Norcross. SCCL-P teams are made up of various other teams at the UFA branches. There are some exceptions, for example, when the Norcross 03G & 05G teams bolted for All-IN this summer, they moved the UFA Forsyth SCCL-P1 teams to SCCL-C for those age groups since it left UFA without a good option for SCCL-C. On the boys' side, the SCCL-C teams are generally strong at Norcross, due to a deeper pool of talent. The girls' side is very thin and hurts the quality of those SCCL-C teams, unfortunately. Some of it is due to demographics in the area and some of it is due to coaches running them off and/or taking girls with them when they left the club. |
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Post by sailingaway on Dec 6, 2020 10:17:35 GMT -5
This was a UFA team at their own tournament,of course they can control the bracket Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the SCCL teams the third team at UFA? Why would anyone expect a third team to play in the top bracket? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team ... whatever. In tournament you should be placed against teams that you compete with normally. If you are an SCCL-C team you should not be in the bottom bracket with an SCCL-P3 team. Period. Personally with 2 bracket tournaments, I believe SCCL-C and up should always be in top bracket with SCCL-P levels filling the bottom bracket. The training and seasonal competition at SCCL-C and above is at a different level and they should be competing against each other and top teams. Winning a tournament game 9-0 should be embarrassing to any team placed in a lower bracket at their request, or for a tournament director who let it happen. Which is exactly what happened yesterday in many divisions at UFA. Like I have said before, its just not a good experience for anyone. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 6, 2020 10:47:20 GMT -5
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the SCCL teams the third team at UFA? Why would anyone expect a third team to play in the top bracket? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team ... whatever. In tournament you should be placed against teams that you compete with normally. If you are an SCCL-C team you should not be in the bottom bracket with an SCCL-P3 team. Period. Personally with 2 bracket tournaments, I believe SCCL-C and up should always be in top bracket with SCCL-P levels filling the bottom bracket. The training and seasonal competition at SCCL-C and above is at a different level and they should be competing against each other and top teams. Winning a tournament game 9-0 should be embarrassing to any team placed in a lower bracket at their request, or for a tournament director who let it happen. Which is exactly what happened yesterday in many divisions at UFA. Like I have said before, its just not a good experience for anyone. I agree with you to a point. The issue comes up with when the number of teams doesn't work. What if there are 9 SCCL C and up teams and only 7 below that? Would you not want to take the lowest performing team in SCCL C and drop their bracket? What if there are 11 SCCL C and 3 lower? What if teams are coming in from other leagues and you don't know how good they are? How do you decide? Well you use the team request and their ranking (both not great measures). Plus as we mentioned before there can be issues with teams bringing in guest players or also missing players. I get it. It sucks to win or lose 9-0 (or worse). The tournaments are not supposed to mean anything (especially for U15 and up). Even U13 and U14 they are friendlies. For the little ones it is the only chance to win hardware so I say it matters more there. |
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