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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 25, 2021 15:05:07 GMT -5
With the assumption of dead period hopefully ending after may 31, what is anyone’s expectation for ID camps? Most of schools we had planned on attending last summer still aren’t listing 2021 dates? Going to make it tough on parents and players if that information isn’t released soon.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 25, 2021 15:09:09 GMT -5
Agreed. Only 2 of the 30 schools on my kid's list of schools she has potential interest in have ID camps listed. A couple have emailed her with statements that they hope to have camps. The two that have camps listed said they have or are working on off campus options (I guess in case their universities say no but NCAA says dead period is over?)
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Feb 25, 2021 23:53:03 GMT -5
Which D1 schools in southeast have ID Camps scheduled?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 26, 2021 7:20:42 GMT -5
Which D1 schools in southeast have ID Camps scheduled? Clemson has tentative dates. They are the only one I have seen yet. I have some friends that have been invited to some others that might know of their dates, but this is the only one on our radar that has announced in the southeast. One northeast school announced. www.tigergirlssoccercamp.com/About%20Us |
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Post by bolo on Feb 26, 2021 10:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 26, 2021 11:29:35 GMT -5
I have only seen Georgia and Clemson and don’t bother going to them unless a coach has directly reached out.
Oracle, your 30 targets for your player is spot on. A few years ago I would have thought that was crazy but we have a target list of 35 schools that we are waiting to see what happens after June 15 as we have received generic letters and emails but no specifics. We have a dream 5, a realistic 20and a safety 10
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 26, 2021 12:33:05 GMT -5
I have only seen Georgia and Clemson and don’t bother going to them unless a coach has directory reached out. Oracle, your 30 targets for your player is spot on. A few years ago I would have thought that was crazy but we have a target list of 35 schools that we are waiting to see what happens after June 15 as we have received generic letters and emails but no specifics. We have a dream 5, a realistic 20and a safety 10 I really had to push to add that many. She really does not have much desire to play at anything that is not strong academic and strong soccer. I basically said that she had chosen 18 and I was going to chose 12 that I thought met her criteria. They just don't even know so many schools. We have a dream 15, realistic 10 and safety 5. She really doesn't want but one of the safety 5. One of those is d3 and has emailed a lot already but while it is safety soccer wise it is dream academic so hard to know what to do. |
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Feb 26, 2021 19:12:45 GMT -5
Curious as my daughter is just getting into the recruiting phase. Assuming your child makes pretty good grades, how many Ivy's or top DIII academic institutions are on your list? Assuming your child makes solid grades in school.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 26, 2021 19:59:36 GMT -5
Curious as my daughter is just getting into the recruiting phase. Assuming your child makes pretty good grades, how many Ivy's or top DIII academic institutions are on your list? Assuming your child makes solid grades in school. She has 4 Ivy and 4 D3 strong academic schools on her list. She did very well last year, did not get all A's this year with Covid on top of her course load it has been harder (though weighted GPA still very high). Problem is Ivy and D3 schools that are top 10-20 academic schools still want their soccer players to be standout students. They will accept a little slip academically but we will see. The one that has been emailing her regularly (about 5 back and forth emails this month) wants the transcripts after second semester junior year to see if she is still up to their academic needs. Hopefully she does well enough this semester and next to be there. As for the Ivy schools one replies to her emails with their standard allowable generic one and invites to ID camps after her emails, but it is really hard to know what people think. I am not sure if I am excited for June 15th or if it will be a rude awakening for her. We are still early on this path, but I have been surprised at how much communication from this one D3 school while there are crickets from the others (all of which are equivalent or lower soccer and academic wise). |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Feb 26, 2021 22:03:01 GMT -5
What year in school are the players referenced in this thread? When would you say is a good time to start, and what would be considered too early?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 27, 2021 10:44:22 GMT -5
My child is a sophomore. Only D3 and NAIA can contact her now. She has had some NAIA contact her on their own. She sent her emails out to the D1 and D3 schools. She sent them out mainly due to upcoming showcases that she wanted them to watch her in. She has had some of the D1 send back generic emails with info about their program and asking her to fill out their recruiting questionnaires, but not many.
We have some freshman friends who have started also. I think it is hard for freshman and sophomores to do this because the lack of feedback is challenging. I am not sure how mine would be reacting if she did not have the D3 school (her fourth choice school) emailing her. She did get the generic emails backs from her first and third choices so I think that helped, but it is hard to send out stuff an hear nothing.
If there were ID camps it would also probably be easier because then you at least have some contact there and can get a feel for if they are interested. I have been told that girls should start sending emails in the sophomore year so that is what we have done. As I mentioned before it can be a challenge (especially if your kid wants to go out of state) to get them to even look at schools they haven't heard of even if they are awesome in sports and school. Teenagers think they know it all!
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Post by dadofthree on Feb 27, 2021 10:47:09 GMT -5
I have only seen Georgia and Clemson and don’t bother going to them unless a coach has directory reached out. Oracle, your 30 targets for your player is spot on. A few years ago I would have thought that was crazy but we have a target list of 35 schools that we are waiting to see what happens after June 15 as we have received generic letters and emails but no specifics. We have a dream 5, a realistic 20and a safety 10 The one thing to keep in mind for some of the big schools other coaches will come and work the camps. My daughter got to know the assistant coach at Troy at the Mercer camp eventhough it was run more like the big school camps. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 27, 2021 12:38:26 GMT -5
Just FYI - the biggest news nobody seems to know about or understand the full ramifications of is that D1 schools, as of August 1, 2020, have changed a major rule regarding aid packages for equivalency sports (on the men’s side, of course). No longer will need-based or merit-based aid be counted against the 9.9 scholarship allotment for D1 men’s soccer. This aid stacking, for all intents and purposes, will allow schools to fully fund their teams, laying to rest the old adage that there just aren’t any scholarships for men’s soccer. If this rule remains in place and parents know about it, it is my opinion that men’s soccer will retain a higher portion of multi-sport talent that heretofore made the decision to give up soccer to pursue better opportunities. Additionally, this rule alone might be just what a lot of D1 schools that have dropped men’s soccer needs to get back into the game. History will tell, but I believe that this single change has the potential to positively impact U.S. men’s soccer more than the USSF, MLS, or any alphabet league could ever hope to.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 27, 2021 12:46:31 GMT -5
Just FYI - the biggest news nobody seems to know about or understand the full ramifications of is that D1 schools, as of August 1, 2020, have changed a major rule regarding aid packages for equivalency sports (on the men’s side, of course). No longer will need-based or merit-based aid be counted against the 9.9 scholarship allotment for D1 men’s soccer. This aid stacking, for all intents and purposes, will allow schools to fully fund their teams, laying to rest the old adage that there just aren’t any scholarships for men’s soccer. If this rule remains in place and parents know about it, it is my opinion that men’s soccer will retain a higher portion of multi-sport talent that heretofore made the decision to give up soccer to pursue better opportunities. Additionally, this rule alone might be just what a lot of D1 schools that have dropped men’s soccer needs to get back into the game. History will tell, but I believe that this single change has the potential to positively impact U.S. men’s soccer more than the USSF, MLS, or any alphabet league could ever hope to. That is good news. The whole stacking thing has been confusing to me because I had heard it was against the rules yet as far as I heard they were still doing it (on the girls side). I guess as long as it was unofficial (the university offered merit aid and soccer offered athletic aid) it happened. I guess it was just the coach couldn't communicate it? I don't know. Sounded like it happened a lot but was supposedly against the rules. Maybe someone else with older kids can clarify. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 27, 2021 22:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 1, 2021 14:38:50 GMT -5
So the current rumor is that the dead period will end on May 31 but then the NCAA will institute a “quiet period” for the month of June which will effectively push the start of any ID camps to July
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Post by atv on Mar 1, 2021 17:18:04 GMT -5
I have only seen Georgia and Clemson and don’t bother going to them unless a coach has directory reached out. Oracle, your 30 targets for your player is spot on. A few years ago I would have thought that was crazy but we have a target list of 35 schools that we are waiting to see what happens after June 15 as we have received generic letters and emails but no specifics. We have a dream 5, a realistic 20and a safety 10 This is spot on. Unless your player had a call with one of the coaches ahead of time and/ or actively texting your time is best spent elsewhere. Big program camps are the number 1 revenue source for soccer programs |
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Mar 5, 2021 14:01:06 GMT -5
I have only seen Georgia and Clemson and don’t bother going to them unless a coach has directory reached out. Oracle, your 30 targets for your player is spot on. A few years ago I would have thought that was crazy but we have a target list of 35 schools that we are waiting to see what happens after June 15 as we have received generic letters and emails but no specifics. We have a dream 5, a realistic 20and a safety 10 This is spot on. Unless your player had a call with one of the coaches ahead of time and/ or actively texting your time is best spent elsewhere. Big program camps are the number 1 revenue source for soccer programs No doubt that ID camps are a key revenue source, however, it makes no sense to me that "time is best spent elsewhere" if a player is a 2023 HS graduate (or younger). This camp occurs the week prior to coaches being able to communicate with 2023s. These camps seem like as good a way to get noticed as anything else....if a player is top level and stands out of course. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 5, 2021 14:27:13 GMT -5
This is spot on. Unless your player had a call with one of the coaches ahead of time and/ or actively texting your time is best spent elsewhere. Big program camps are the number 1 revenue source for soccer programs No doubt that ID camps are a key revenue source, however, it makes no sense to me that "time is best spent elsewhere" if a player is a 2023 HS graduate (or younger). This camp occurs the week prior to coaches being able to communicate with 2023s. These camps seem like as good a way to get noticed as anything else....if a player is top level and stands out of course. The other thing is that every big school camp my kid went to before Covid always had coaches from smaller schools there. She did Clemson and Alabama before Covid. Alabama even had other D1 schools there (Southern Miss) so there were other coaches to see you. Alabama had JuCo, D3, D2 schools and Southern Miss. I do not think big school camps are a waste. Other little tidbit is to look at Penn State's signees this year. There was a girl who got signed who came to their camp and was not from a big time club program. They liked her from the camp. It can happen. |
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Post by atv on Mar 6, 2021 7:00:26 GMT -5
No doubt that ID camps are a key revenue source, however, it makes no sense to me that "time is best spent elsewhere" if a player is a 2023 HS graduate (or younger). This camp occurs the week prior to coaches being able to communicate with 2023s. These camps seem like as good a way to get noticed as anything else....if a player is top level and stands out of course. The other thing is that every big school camp my kid went to before Covid always had coaches from smaller schools there. She did Clemson and Alabama before Covid. Alabama even had other D1 schools there (Southern Miss) so there were other coaches to see you. Alabama had JuCo, D3, D2 schools and Southern Miss. I do not think big school camps are a waste. Other little tidbit is to look at Penn State's signees this year. There was a girl who got signed who came to their camp and was not from a big time club program. They liked her from the camp. It can happen. Don’t kid yourself. If they have 400-600 players at a camp there is a small list of players they are looking at. It is even more true for a younger player to be seen/ evaluated properly. If your player is interested in one of the other schools tat the camp they are better off making that contact ahead of time to assess if there is mutual interest. Typically multiple communication back and forth indicates interest. Head Coaches, like Clemson’s coach for example tend to oversell these things because soccer is not a revenue producing sport overall. However, the camps, at big SEC/ ACC schools, make a lot of money. In reality they bring in far more girls than their “true” staff of 3 coaches can properly evaluate in 2-3 days. There is A LOT of sitting around. If you want to go to a camp without previous interest from coaching staff, then go to one with a intentionally very small camp size |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 6, 2021 7:55:08 GMT -5
The other thing is that every big school camp my kid went to before Covid always had coaches from smaller schools there. She did Clemson and Alabama before Covid. Alabama even had other D1 schools there (Southern Miss) so there were other coaches to see you. Alabama had JuCo, D3, D2 schools and Southern Miss. I do not think big school camps are a waste. Other little tidbit is to look at Penn State's signees this year. There was a girl who got signed who came to their camp and was not from a big time club program. They liked her from the camp. It can happen. Don’t kid yourself. If they have 400-600 players at a camp there is a small list of players they are looking at. It is even more true for a younger player to be seen/ evaluated properly. If your player is interested in one of the other schools tat the camp they are better off making that contact ahead of time to assess if there is mutual interest. Typically multiple communication back and forth indicates interest. Head Coaches, like Clemson’s coach for example tend to oversell these things because soccer is not a revenue producing sport overall. However, the camps, at big SEC/ ACC schools, make a lot of money. In reality they bring in far more girls than their staff of 3 coaches can properly evaluate in 2-3 days. There is A LOT of sitting around. If you want to go to a camp without previous interest from coaching staff, then go to one with a intentionally very small camp size The Alabama camp had less than 100 girls with 3 coaches from Alabama, 1 from Southern Miss, 1 from D2, 1 from D3, 1 NAIA and 1 JuCo. Now we had no intention of going to any of those places. She went to that camp to have fun, learn, and play with a friend that was moving away. I know our friend definitely got Alabama interested in her at that camp though she is amazing so that is no surprise. I will say that those coaches watched all of the kids and commented on things about the players. We have been to Clemson too mainly because it is good training and we like the staff. My kid only recently go old enough to matter to coaches. I agree that Clemson does not have a lot of coaches like some other programs. I will also say that the camps she has been to (not including the ones at Clemson for the little kids) have not had anywhere close to 400. It was more like 150-200. But yes not as likely to get evaluated as some other schools. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 6, 2021 8:35:46 GMT -5
The other thing is that every big school camp my kid went to before Covid always had coaches from smaller schools there. She did Clemson and Alabama before Covid. Alabama even had other D1 schools there (Southern Miss) so there were other coaches to see you. Alabama had JuCo, D3, D2 schools and Southern Miss. I do not think big school camps are a waste. Other little tidbit is to look at Penn State's signees this year. There was a girl who got signed who came to their camp and was not from a big time club program. They liked her from the camp. It can happen. Don’t kid yourself. If they have 400-600 players at a camp there is a small list of players they are looking at. It is even more true for a younger player to be seen/ evaluated properly. If your player is interested in one of the other schools tat the camp they are better off making that contact ahead of time to assess if there is mutual interest. Typically multiple communication back and forth indicates interest. Head Coaches, like Clemson’s coach for example tend to oversell these things because soccer is not a revenue producing sport overall. However, the camps, at big SEC/ ACC schools, make a lot of money. In reality they bring in far more girls than their staff of 3 coaches can properly evaluate in 2-3 days. There is A LOT of sitting around. If you want to go to a camp without previous interest from coaching staff, then go to one with a intentionally very small camp size Exactly, the likelihood if your player has not already had a personal relationship with Clemson to be identified at their ID is .1% and if you go there because smaller colleges will be there instead identify the smaller school and just go to their camp. Honest truth, if you don’t play ecnl or maybe GAL you player is not playing in the SEC or ACC, the sooner you and your player realize that they can enjoy the process |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 7, 2021 10:03:04 GMT -5
It was our experience that many coaches attended the top league big events. From there they sent camp emails with an invitation with the players first name. Precovid, this often included mentioning where they saw them play. Going to these big events ensures they have a majority of the top players all in one location. Travel budgets for non revenue sports are limited.
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Mar 7, 2021 21:31:08 GMT -5
You referring to Power 5 ID camps as "big events" or referring to something else?
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Post by coffee on Mar 8, 2021 5:46:35 GMT -5
What is this? I’m completely new to ID camps. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 8, 2021 7:18:49 GMT -5
What is this? I’m completely new to ID camps. Power 5 schools. ACC, SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12 The discussion has been whether or not these camps are worth going to if you were not specifically invited. |
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Post by coffee on Mar 8, 2021 9:39:10 GMT -5
Power 5 schools. ACC, SEC, PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12 The discussion has been whether or not these camps are worth going to if you were not specifically invited. Thank you. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 8, 2021 18:40:27 GMT -5
In reference to big events, those are put on by ECNL OR previously DA. College coaches go to showcases where best of the best play. Thats now ECNL who has arguably the best girls and boys teams. It may go to MLS Next but that remains to be seen.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 8, 2021 19:14:09 GMT -5
In reference to big events, those are put on by ECNL OR previously DA. College coaches go to showcases where best of the best play. Thats now ECNL who has arguably the best girls and boys teams. It may go to MLS Next but that remains to be seen. This year there have been showcases with live streaming so these coaches are still able to "go." I do wonder how this might change things going forward. Of course it is better to see it live than on a screen with a videographer that may or may not be stellar, however, I could see live streaming becoming a thing going forward. You are right about the budgets and it will be interesting to see if they are limited even more going forward. Plus who is to say the AD doesn't just tell the coaches "you managed to find great recruits during covid. You don't need to travel so much." Stranger things have happened. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 8, 2021 19:17:39 GMT -5
In reference to big events, those are put on by ECNL OR previously DA. College coaches go to showcases where best of the best play. Thats now ECNL who has arguably the best girls and boys teams. It may go to MLS Next but that remains to be seen. This year there have been showcases with live streaming so these coaches are still able to "go." I do wonder how this might change things going forward. Of course it is better to see it live than on a screen with a videographer that may or may not be stellar, however, I could see live streaming becoming a thing going forward. You are right about the budgets and it will be interesting to see if they are limited even more going forward. Plus who is to say the AD doesn't just tell the coaches "you managed to find great recruits during covid. You don't need to travel so much." Stranger things have happened. I see this in business as well-less travel-more Zoom. |
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