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Post by soccerfamilia on Mar 14, 2021 22:55:02 GMT -5
Howdy,
In process of moving from out of state to North burbs of Atlanta. Looking for academy for 11 year old boy (2010), would play U12 next Fall.
Someone recommended Concorde Fire North which is near the area we are moving to (Johns Creek/Alpharetta). Any opinions/ knowledge about that academy and the coaches?
thanks!
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 15, 2021 7:53:07 GMT -5
I'll jump in, welcome to the area! You also have Alpharetta Ambush, then Atlanta Fire, UFA and Top Hat Milton within 15-20 or so minutes depending on where exactly you live. You'll likely get a lot of different opinions on the coaching at each, but I'd look at their results at the older ages to determine what the right fit is for you and your child. We've had kids at Ambush, AFU and UFA, the honestly coaching can vary year to year based on where they're placed so who is coaching the U11 this year just might not be coaching U12 next. Ambush is a smaller club if you like a more intimate feel, AFU and UFA are larger which means more teams at each age group so more competition for top team spots but also more opportunity to play at a higher level as they get older. I'm sure others here can comment on Concorde North and Top Hat Milton.
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Post by upper90allday on Mar 15, 2021 8:19:33 GMT -5
I think it depends on skill level. If it doesn't matter go with the best commute. U-12 is first year of SCCL and Concore Fire North doesn't have a team in SCCL for that age group. UFA Norcross, Ambush and Atlanta Fire all have teams in the league. If you have already moved to the area I would check out practice. Also there is a thread from around the holidays from a disgruntled Concord Fire North parent for this age group.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2021 8:27:34 GMT -5
Agree with all of the above. Skill level (current and desired) should play into your decision. I would advise that you touch base with the DOC at the above mentioned clubs and have your kid come into town and participate in a training session with each of the teams before tryout season so you know where to go for tryouts. You have a lot of options in your area. You are right in the middle of several clubs. Coming from out of state gives you that option of assessing these teams. It will give you an idea of where he fits in skill wise and whether he can also be happy in the team with the teammates. As others mentioned the coaches could change but you might get to know a few parents at your top 2 or 3 choices and when coaches are announced you can get some inside info.
Good luck!
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 15, 2021 9:02:06 GMT -5
Most of my knowledge of the clubs in that area is on the girls side. However, I would agree with just about everything stated above. You are definitely in a good location because you have choices which aren't too far from where you live. I would definitely consider a smaller club like Ambush, and not just automatically head to one of the bigger clubs. I would also give a lot of consideration to which club will be the most convenient.
With that being said, if Gregg Tavani will be the coach for your son's team at AFU, I would go there.
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Post by soccerfamilia on Mar 15, 2021 10:41:37 GMT -5
Thank you.
What about Roswell Santos academy?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Mar 15, 2021 10:46:55 GMT -5
It’s funny what some describe as “North”. I assumed North was Forsyth, Cumming, Gainesville or Hall County. To me johns creek/Alpharetta is still Atlanta Metro as you can go anywhere from there.
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Post by bogan on Mar 15, 2021 10:54:39 GMT -5
It’s funny what some describe as “North”. I assumed North was Forsyth, Cumming, Gainesville or Hall County. To me johns creek/Alpharetta is still Atlanta Metro as you can go anywhere from there. soccermaxx72 Almost every club is “North” for me... 😎
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 15, 2021 11:22:04 GMT -5
Major advantage of the Atlanta market is lots of options.
Depending upon when you move, I'd try to work in some sessions at a few clubs. True honest perception of the kid's desires and abilities is important. You always will have the flexibility to move after year 1 for sure, once you have an opportunity to take in the Atlanta youth soccer structure.
in a nut shell, lots of different leagues to compete in with different travel expectations.
But as others have mentioned, we have so many youth clubs to select from - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for sure.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2021 11:28:46 GMT -5
Thank you. What about Roswell Santos academy? Santos is very good as well. Depending on where in Johns Creek/Alpharetta it may not be as close as the others. Really all of the close options have some very good teams and coaches.
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 15, 2021 11:38:41 GMT -5
Howdy, In process of moving from out of state to North burbs of Atlanta. Looking for academy for 11 year old boy (2010), would play U12 next Fall. Someone recommended Concorde Fire North which is near the area we are moving to (Johns Creek/Alpharetta). Any opinions/ knowledge about that academy and the coaches? thanks! I live in this area and here’s my two cents: CF North: this is a branch of CF. Never go to a branch of a club. The main HQ of a club always gets better treatment. Also, CF North took a major blow three years ago when they had a mass exodus of directors and coaches. It actually been impressive that they have been able to stabilize the north branch. No top flight leagues offered at North. NASA Milton: not the main branch. Cobb Co is NASA’s home. Some SCCL Championship teams here but sporadic. No ECNL. AFU: not a huge club and not a small club. Seems to have some very poor teams in ECNL especially on the boys side. Different than the big 4 clubs in that they are more loyal to families with multiple kids and that be part of why they struggle in ecnl. Access to ECNL and SCCL. Ambush: smaller club with that old school community feel. Most coaches have been there for decades so they must be taken care off. Nice mix of turf and grass so trainings don’t get cxld. The highest level of play is SCCL Championship so if you son is top flight material (ECNL) that will be an issue after u12. UFA: located maybe 25m from you up north in Forsyth Co mostly at Fowler park but some train at South Forsyth park closer to Johns Creek/Suwanee. Turf fields at Fowler park prevent rainout. Big club with 5 teams per age group. Access to ECNL here but not SCCL’s highest flight bc that’s at their Norcorss branch. SCCL second and third division at Fowler park. I see two choices: 1. Ambush if you want something very close by, smaller club where you get to know the coaches and directors and they have a turf field to prevent rain cancelations. Con is that it doesn’t have ECNL for the best of the best outside of MLS. 2. UFA Forsyth. Main branch of the club, turf fields and many teams. They also offer ECNL but if you can’t make that team there is no top flight SCCL, only 2nd and 3rd division SCCL. Longer drive but not bad traffic.
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 15, 2021 13:02:57 GMT -5
Rush Union has a location in Milton to throw into the mix as well. It would be similar to Ambush.
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 15, 2021 13:05:07 GMT -5
One other thing about coaches is that coaching assignments typically do not come out until May. The coach is much more important than the club.
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Post by footyfan on Mar 15, 2021 13:29:00 GMT -5
I'm imagining someone coming from an area that is mostly rec and USYS and their confusion at the complexity of the landscape of youth soccer in the US. WHAT'S SCCL-C? ECNL? ECNL REGIONAL? MLS_NEXT? USL ACADEMY LEAGUE?...USYS P.R.O.? ... ELITE ACADEMY LEAGUE?
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Post by soccerallthetime on Mar 15, 2021 14:48:56 GMT -5
NASA would be one of the big boys’ clubs around here. Tophat Milton has some phenomenal coaches. I think UFA has a pretty strong boys program. I’m much more familiar with the girls’ side, though.
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Post by soccerfamilia on Mar 15, 2021 21:10:30 GMT -5
Awesome, thank you!
What about the main hub for Concorde?
Any others worth looking at a bit further south? (as opposed to further North ones already mentioned)
So, not a good idea to go to a 2 teams per age group club?
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 15, 2021 21:28:30 GMT -5
Awesome, thank you! What about the main hub for Concorde? Any others worth looking at a bit further south? (as opposed to further North ones already mentioned) So, not a good idea to go to a 2 teams per age group club? The question really is how good is your kid? Do you have ECNL aspirations or is SCCL going to be good enough? Personally I would *not* look at clubs south unless you do not mind driving in Atlanta traffic. There are plenty of good choices OTP North where we are to choose from. Clubs like Ambush and Roswell only field one maybe two teams at the upper ages, where clubs like UFA and AFU will field 3 to 5 depending on the age group. Depends on how good your kid is honestly where i'd look.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 15, 2021 22:00:40 GMT -5
Awesome, thank you! What about the main hub for Concorde? Any others worth looking at a bit further south? (as opposed to further North ones already mentioned) So, not a good idea to go to a 2 teams per age group club? The question really is how good is your kid? Do you have ECNL aspirations or is SCCL going to be good enough? Personally I would *not* look at clubs south unless you do not mind driving in Atlanta traffic. There are plenty of good choices OTP North where we are to choose from. Clubs like Ambush and Roswell only field one maybe two teams at the upper ages, where clubs like UFA and AFU will field 3 to 5 depending on the age group. Depends on how good your kid is honestly where i'd look. Traffic can be such an issue and with Covid it is still less than I think it usually is. I think you should map it out and decide if it is worth it. Personally I don't have an issue with 2 teams per age group if you have good coaches and are on the top team. A lot of good players come out of Ambush and Santos and then change clubs once older. I agree with the poster who said coach not club. It can just be overwhelming to decide what coach is right. I have a kid your kid's age and one older. You have time to get settled into the area after you get into the soccer landscape and can change your mind about the club. I have one kid that played U8-10 at one club, U12-U15 at another (age group change caused no U11 year) and then moved again at U16. Find a place that you think you like and then decide what to do. All of the clubs mentioned play SCCL at U12 as their top option so if your kid makes the top team (at a main branch) they will get great competition no matter where you go. If you think second team is more likely then just make sure you know what level your kid will be playing. Usually the big clubs' second teams will be a lot better than smaller clubs' second teams but this is not always true. Again I would advise taking your kid to trainings with each of the clubs that you think you might be interested in. That will give you the best idea. If that is not possible at this point then go see their trainings yourself.
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Post by soccerspin on Mar 16, 2021 9:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by OTPSoccer on Mar 16, 2021 10:30:05 GMT -5
Howdy, In process of moving from out of state to North burbs of Atlanta. Looking for academy for 11 year old boy (2010), would play U12 next Fall. Someone recommended Concorde Fire North which is near the area we are moving to (Johns Creek/Alpharetta). Any opinions/ knowledge about that academy and the coaches? thanks! I live in this area and here’s my two cents: CF North: this is a branch of CF. Never go to a branch of a club. The main HQ of a club always gets better treatment. Also, CF North took a major blow three years ago when they had a mass exodus of directors and coaches. It actually been impressive that they have been able to stabilize the north branch. No top flight leagues offered at North. NASA Milton: not the main branch. Cobb Co is NASA’s home. Some SCCL Championship teams here but sporadic. No ECNL. AFU: not a huge club and not a small club. Seems to have some very poor teams in ECNL especially on the boys side. Different than the big 4 clubs in that they are more loyal to families with multiple kids and that be part of why they struggle in ecnl. Access to ECNL and SCCL. Ambush: smaller club with that old school community feel. Most coaches have been there for decades so they must be taken care off. Nice mix of turf and grass so trainings don’t get cxld. The highest level of play is SCCL Championship so if you son is top flight material (ECNL) that will be an issue after u12. UFA: located maybe 25m from you up north in Forsyth Co mostly at Fowler park but some train at South Forsyth park closer to Johns Creek/Suwanee. Turf fields at Fowler park prevent rainout. Big club with 5 teams per age group. Access to ECNL here but not SCCL’s highest flight bc that’s at their Norcorss branch. SCCL second and third division at Fowler park. I see two choices: 1. Ambush if you want something very close by, smaller club where you get to know the coaches and directors and they have a turf field to prevent rain cancelations. Con is that it doesn’t have ECNL for the best of the best outside of MLS. 2. UFA Forsyth. Main branch of the club, turf fields and many teams. They also offer ECNL but if you can’t make that team there is no top flight SCCL, only 2nd and 3rd division SCCL. Longer drive but not bad traffic. Roswell Santos is not far from JC/Alpharetta, but is not much different than Alpharetta Ambush (1-2 teams per age group). Rush is another option that falls in this same camp. All three clubs play SCCL at the highest level for SCCL, which is good competition. None of the three have ECNL, so there is a ceiling if your kid is a star. All three clubs (though I know less about Rush) show a fair amount of loyalty to kids in the system.
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Post by Ponkamb on Mar 16, 2021 13:30:58 GMT -5
I was in the same boat last year. I was moving from out of state and because of the pandemic and time constraints I did not have the luxury of observing teams and doing any form of due diligence. I tried looking for videos of teams in the age group you referenced but came across limited footage. Mostly highlights of individual kids on some of the teams you or others have mentioned. I wanted to be part of the solution so I have created a YOUTUBE channel where I record games of some of the teams in this age group. I do not have all the teams yet but majority of the top teams are on my page.
I believe and many may disagree but the style of play of a team tells me a lot about coaching.
My channels is below. I hope it helps you.
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Post by soccerfamilia on May 1, 2021 13:22:00 GMT -5
So I found out for Fall 2021:
-AFU will have 4 boys teams U12, they have ECNL and SCCL. -Roswell Santos 4-5 teams U12 boys, just SCCL -Concorde Central: 4-5 teams per age, but a bit of a hike, 20-25 minutes each way.
-UFA Forsyth, GSA too far -NTH Milton, Concorde North, both branches, 2 teams per age group...not familiar with them.
I think multiple teams same age group is better than the 2 team branches?
I dont really dont know if he needs to be in ECNL or SCCL right now, but it would be good to have option if he develops into that?
Besides seeing teams play and coaches, Anything else to ask about?
My son would falls somewhere in the middle or upperish levels, I dont think he would get offered top top team, but maybe 2nd or 3rd team depending on academy.
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Post by soccernoleuk on May 1, 2021 13:30:31 GMT -5
So I found out for Fall 2021: AFU will have 4 boys teams U12, they have ECNL and SCCL. Roswell Santos 4-5 teams U12 boys, just SCCL Concorde Central: 4-5 teams per age, but a bit of a hike, 20-25 minutes each way. I think multiple teams same age group is better than the 2 team branches. Anything to ask about besides seeing teams play and coaches? UFA Forsyth, GSA too far Just as an FYI, ECNL doesn't start until U13. The club might be calling the top team Pre-ECNL, but officially ECNL isn't until the next year. Those clubs participating in SCCL do typically start at U12.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 1, 2021 22:10:23 GMT -5
I was in the same boat last year. I was moving from out of state and because of the pandemic and time constraints I did not have the luxury of observing teams and doing any form of due diligence. I tried looking for videos of teams in the age group you referenced but came across limited footage. Mostly highlights of individual kids on some of the teams you or others have mentioned. I wanted to be part of the solution so I have created a YOUTUBE channel where I record games of some of the teams in this age group. I do not have all the teams yet but majority of the top teams are on my page.
I believe and many may disagree but the style of play of a team tells me a lot about coaching.
My channels is below. I hope it helps you.
You have your own veo system? Does club help with cost or do you only use it for personal recording?
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Post by soccerfamilia on May 3, 2021 21:19:51 GMT -5
Long term, should it matter if an academy only has SCCL but doesnt have ECNL or ERCL?
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Post by Keeper on May 4, 2021 19:33:07 GMT -5
Long term, should it matter if an academy only has SCCL but doesnt have ECNL or ERCL? Nope, go to the closest Academy that has a quality coach for your kid. Worry about ECNL/ECRL at U13.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 5, 2021 6:25:42 GMT -5
Long term, should it matter if an academy only has SCCL but doesnt have ECNL or ERCL? Nope, go to the closest Academy that has a quality coach for your kid. Worry about ECNL/ECRL at U13. Maybe make the move at U12 so you're at the club when you age to playing at ECNL/ECRL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2021 7:13:37 GMT -5
Nope, go to the closest Academy that has a quality coach for your kid. Worry about ECNL/ECRL at U13. Maybe make the move at U12 so you're at the club when you age to playing at ECNL/ECRL. I would not even worry at U13. Not getting recruited still for a few years. And I would not necessarily go at U12 because unless you are a stud they usually like their shiny new pennies better. I would just go somewhere with a great coach and a team that challenges the player or if the team doesn't then a club that will let them train with a team that does challenge.
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 5, 2021 8:13:42 GMT -5
If you feel (as you said) that your child is not top team level, then going to a club that has U12 SCCL that feeds into U13 ECNL/ECRL is not that important. If you feel that he could make ECNL in the future, then you need to get to that club ASAP because it's much harder to break into a top team unless your son is markedly better than an existing player on a team who he would be replacing. Incoming coaches for the most part already know who most of their players are going to be before tryouts. Moving up from a lower team is already challenging. Coming in from outside is even more difficult unless the coach has seen that player during the season as an opposing player.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 5, 2021 19:40:21 GMT -5
Maybe make the move at U12 so you're at the club when you age to playing at ECNL/ECRL. I would not even worry at U13. Not getting recruited still for a few years. And I would not necessarily go at U12 because unless you are a stud they usually like their shiny new pennies better. I would just go somewhere with a great coach and a team that challenges the player or if the team doesn't then a club that will let them train with a team that does challenge. Sometimes true, unfortunately. But it never hurts being a proven and known player at the club at the younger ages.
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