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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 17, 2021 8:11:45 GMT -5
A coach, that we left because of this issue, just said this statement to a guest player last weekend..."are you fast? (Apparently repeated several times until answered) Well then get out there and run and don't you dare stop!"
Now I wasn't there on the coaches sideline so I don't know which kid he said that to (the story was told to me by our current coach), but I know all of the girls and they are fast, but importantly they are hard workers so it isn't like he was saying that to prevent them from being lazy. This coach also told me that he preferred athleticism over technical skill because on a bigger field you need to be athletic "to be successful". Btw kid is not even on a full field yet.
I agree that parents are part of the problem though because they leave teams that don't win enough. They equate winning with getting better. Even people I know that are knowledgeable still fall into this trap. When they know this in their heads they still can't get game results out of their hearts.
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 17, 2021 8:33:39 GMT -5
Clubs bear some responsibility here, too. Good (winning) coaches get rewarded with choice teams. Higher level, their choice of age groups, etc.
Good TEACHERS often don't.. and they're constantly banging their head against the wall with lower level teams, which are often filled with players of widely varying levels of commitment. A few want to get better, a few are just naturally decent, a few are there because their parents said 'you have to do SOMETHING' |
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Post by bogan on Mar 17, 2021 13:54:48 GMT -5
oraclesfriend said “ A coach, that we left because of this issue, just said this statement to a guest player last weekend..."are you fast? (Apparently repeated several times until answered) Well then get out there and run and don't you dare stop!"” I had a track/field coach that used to tell me that... Me: “But coach, I compete in shot put ...” Coach: “Shut up and keep running “ Me: “yes sir...”
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Post by baller84 on Mar 17, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
I saw my daughter’s old coach last weekend and we got to talking. He said something that I think is a great take on youth soccer as we approach try-outs. I’m paraphrasing: Three main problems with youth soccer: One is that most coaches are using kids to compete at soccer and very few coaches are teaching kids to play soccer. Two is that most parents prefer a coach to use their kids to compete at soccer rather than teaching their kids to play soccer. Three is that very few coaches or parents understand the difference. Why is anyone surprised by it? The pay to play market here in the US rewards winning and recruiting. Nothing personal, just how the business works. And you're absolutely right, but not everybody is a soccer person to be able understand the difference especially when some coaches can't understand it either. I'm stealing someone's phrase but maybe it would be easier to think along the lines of understanding the fundamental difference between two concepts: 1) the "soccer business", and 2) the "business of soccer". One of them is the US model we so much have been enjoying, brings business, fame and prosperity to the most winning "youth" clubs. The other is the model the rest of the world operates in. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 18, 2021 8:28:34 GMT -5
I saw my daughter’s old coach last weekend and we got to talking. He said something that I think is a great take on youth soccer as we approach try-outs. I’m paraphrasing: Three main problems with youth soccer: One is that most coaches are using kids to compete at soccer and very few coaches are teaching kids to play soccer. Two is that most parents prefer a coach to use their kids to compete at soccer rather than teaching their kids to play soccer. Three is that very few coaches or parents understand the difference. Can it not be both? I think at the youngest ages (academy and probably U13 and U14) no. If you want to win games then you discourage creativity and technical skill and encourage "get it to Mia/Leo" mentality. Don't lose the ball! Never try anything that may fail. All of those things happen when you try to win over develop. You teach them to play safe and scared. Some kids will still rise above this either because they are the Mia/Leo or because they just don't care what the coach/parents say. But this cuts down on the number of skilled kids. It cuts down on the creative kids. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 18, 2021 11:44:04 GMT -5
Written by a friend:
“ 4 years working in the States at all levels
US Soccer Federation staff coach and scout , Pro GK coaching with San Diego 1904 down to youth and rec levels
I’ve seen some good coaches but also some very poor coaching , again at all levels .
Coaches seem to think that because they can print a session plan they are coaches . First , do they understand the session they have printed off the internet , second can they implement the coaching points that the session is supposed to highlight .
Sometimes a simple game 4v4 , 5v5 etc are the best sessions , if you understand football . Jump in and alter certain techniques that need sorting when required . Experience is key and something you cannot buy or print from the internet
I’ve witnessed coaches with numerous printed sheets , hundreds of cones layed out and parents mesmerised at what a great coach this guy is !!
Easy to fool parents who don’t understand the game ! And that goes for coaches at the US Soccer federation , pro coaches , But mainly youth level ?
And don’t get me going on GK coaching or the sheer amount of money generated at the youth level over there !!!
Going to step back and let them do their stuff as not my style at all .”
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 18, 2021 12:11:29 GMT -5
Written by a friend: “ 4 years working in the States at all levels US Soccer Federation staff coach and scout , Pro GK coaching with San Diego 1904 down to youth and rec levels I’ve seen some good coaches but also some very poor coaching , again at all levels . Coaches seem to think that because they can print a session plan they are coaches . First , do they understand the session they have printed off the internet , second can they implement the coaching points that the session is supposed to highlight . Sometimes a simple game 4v4 , 5v5 etc are the best sessions , if you understand football . Jump in and alter certain techniques that need sorting when required . Experience is key and something you cannot buy or print from the internet I’ve witnessed coaches with numerous printed sheets , hundreds of cones layed out and parents mesmerised at what a great coach this guy is !! Easy to fool parents who don’t understand the game ! And that goes for coaches at the US Soccer federation , pro coaches , But mainly youth level ? And don’t get me going on GK coaching or the sheer amount of money generated at the youth level over there !!! Going to step back and let them do their stuff as not my style at all .” Interesting. A coach I know, who has done a really good job with his high level teams that I see regularly, had another coach tell him he did too many small sided games in training 3v3, 4v4. He said he did them once per week. He felt the girls needed it for improving their speed of play and tight space work. Players high school age. It is a high level team but not the top team. He said he had had teams he did not feel needed it as much. One thing I will say is neither of my kids like practices that are too repetitive including too many of the same type of scrimmage but both love small sided ones. Lots of touches, lots of decisions, lots of scoring chances. |
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Post by datrain on Mar 18, 2021 12:58:29 GMT -5
I saw my daughter’s old coach last weekend and we got to talking. He said something that I think is a great take on youth soccer as we approach try-outs. I’m paraphrasing: Three main problems with youth soccer: One is that most coaches are using kids to compete at soccer and very few coaches are teaching kids to play soccer. Two is that most parents prefer a coach to use their kids to compete at soccer rather than teaching their kids to play soccer. Three is that very few coaches or parents understand the difference. Point one: Definitely agree....especially at lower level teams. There is very little teaching going on. Point two: I tend to disagree....most parents that I have encountered really do appreciate a coach that will actually "teach" Point three: Totally disagree Go watch NASA's U13 SCCL Club team.....I have watched their practices. Better than all of the DA and ECNL coaches that I came across with my older son. That coach flat out teaches!!! It is like a high level grad school seminar on how to think and strategize on the soccer field. It is a master class on how to teach and motivate young players. And the players and parents will run through a wall of fire for him. |
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