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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 24, 2021 12:19:07 GMT -5
I have a very basic question.
During the past 10 years, I've noticed a few things. Thrown ins are getting worse and worse. Not just the act of the throw in itself, but the lack of training and preparing for throw ins is evident. But that is not really the intent of my post:
but -- am I wrong, or do they never call kids anymore for twisting their hands on thrown ins -- it seems to be fully acceptable now. Is it legal now? A ref I know just said he/she doesn't call them to keep the pace of play going and not to slow down the game.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Mar 24, 2021 12:36:43 GMT -5
I see it all the time - over the line throw-ins, taking an extra 10 yards throw-ins, one foot throw-ins, over the shoulder throw-ins, volleyball serve throw-ins, punt-ins, Williamson roundabout throw-ins. Nothing is called.
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Post by bogan on Mar 24, 2021 12:44:50 GMT -5
We should end throw ins.
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Post by datrain on Mar 24, 2021 12:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 24, 2021 14:32:34 GMT -5
Throw-ins these days are horrible. I'm guessing that about half at the youth level are illegal, though refs seldom call them illegal.
How bad they are in regards to teams using them effectively, or knowing what they should do on a throw-in is a whole other conversation.
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Post by soccerloafer on Mar 24, 2021 22:15:32 GMT -5
I have a very basic question. During the past 10 years, I've noticed a few things. Thrown ins are getting worse and worse. Not just the act of the throw in itself, but the lack of training and preparing for throw ins is evident. But that is not really the intent of my post: but -- am I wrong, or do they never call kids anymore for twisting their hands on thrown ins -- it seems to be fully acceptable now. Is it legal now? A ref I know just said he/she doesn't call them to keep the pace of play going and not to slow down the game. Don't quote exact details or timing, but yes, LOTG eased up on throw-ins a while back. Unless a player is being a jerk-off or repeat offender, we just want the ball back in play as quickly as possible somewhere near where it went out. Does 5 yards matter in the defensive third? Not usually, and enforcement depends on the tone of the game. 5 yards in the attacking third? Yeah, tighten that up. Growing up playing in the 80's it was such a waste of time having throw-ins called back because the ball was spinning too much. That was like a point of emphasis for a decade. So many other important things to worry about. |
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Post by fanatic21 on Mar 24, 2021 22:20:48 GMT -5
I see it all the time - over the line throw-ins, taking an extra 10 yards throw-ins, one foot throw-ins, over the shoulder throw-ins, volleyball serve throw-ins, punt-ins, Williamson roundabout throw-ins. Nothing is called. I see a lot of people complaining about players feet over the line on a throw - they don't know that as long as any part of the foot is on our behind the line, it is legal. |
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Mar 25, 2021 7:01:06 GMT -5
Yes, it usually only happens on multi-use fields when the kid is momentarily confused about which line to play behind and they usually just let the player retake it. No big deal.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 25, 2021 7:09:45 GMT -5
As a referee I call them if foot lifts up and if they exaggeratively throw it side-armed or don't go over their head. I don't call if they decide last minute to twist their body and throw to another person as long as all the other mechanics (over head and feet down) are met.
In U10 and younger I try to call this as much as possible because I feel like them learning the mechanics early prevents me from having to call it during 11v11 games when they get to that point. U10 and under I usually tell the coaches before hand I'm going to let them have a do over unless the coaches protest that before the game starts. U11 and up there is no do-over. It is given to the other team.
I try to call as many as I can bad throw in wise but you also have to remember the center doesn't always see every throw in fully and may miss some if they are monitoring other things on the field in the exact moment the person throws it in (like jostling for position etc....)
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Post by firedragon on Mar 25, 2021 9:41:32 GMT -5
The art of the throw-in is definitely on the decline. Back in the day when I was young we would compete with each other to see who could throw the farthest. By the time we were ten, we could throw balls into the box for volleys and head balls. Referees were a lot stricter about proper form too. I’ve asked many others about this in case my memory was playing tricks on me. They all agree with me. The art of the throw-in is not what it used to be.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Mar 25, 2021 9:44:20 GMT -5
The art of the throw-in is definitely on the decline. Back in the day when I was young we would compete with each other to see who could throw the farthest. By the time we were ten, we could throw balls into the box for volleys and head balls. Referees were a lot stricter about proper form too. I’ve asked many others about this in case my memory was playing tricks on me. They all agree with me. The art of the throw-in is not what it used to be. Because coaches aren't working on it in practices. It's really that simple. Obviously some of it is up to the kid to work on at home, right? But if a coach never works on it in practice or emphasize the importance of it to the players, they don't see it as all that important. |
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Post by firedragon on Mar 25, 2021 9:49:50 GMT -5
The art of the throw-in is definitely on the decline. Back in the day when I was young we would compete with each other to see who could throw the farthest. By the time we were ten, we could throw balls into the box for volleys and head balls. Referees were a lot stricter about proper form too. I’ve asked many others about this in case my memory was playing tricks on me. They all agree with me. The art of the throw-in is not what it used to be. Because coaches aren't working on it in practices. It's really that simple. Obviously some of it is up to the kid to work on at home, right? But if a coach never works on it in practice or emphasize the importance of it to the players, they don't see it as all that important. I totally agree. And it’s astonishing to me because, in my opinion, youth soccer has improved so much in many other aspects. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 25, 2021 19:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by Respect on Mar 25, 2021 21:28:36 GMT -5
The majority of youth soccer players don’t make a pass when throwing in the ball. The ball should be played to a place where receiver can control with one touch (foot)and at most two if passed to the tighs or chest.
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Post by Respect on Mar 25, 2021 21:33:53 GMT -5
I have a very basic question. During the past 10 years, I've noticed a few things. Thrown ins are getting worse and worse. Not just the act of the throw in itself, but the lack of training and preparing for throw ins is evident. But that is not really the intent of my post: but -- am I wrong, or do they never call kids anymore for twisting their hands on thrown ins -- it seems to be fully acceptable now. Is it legal now? A ref I know just said he/she doesn't call them to keep the pace of play going and not to slow down the game. Twisting is ok so long player stands facing the field, ball is thrown in with both hands from behind the head. The issue I see often is when players throw the ball in down the field but do not stand facing the field, ie they stand facing down the field. That’s an illegal throw in. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Mar 29, 2021 7:47:35 GMT -5
I have a very basic question. During the past 10 years, I've noticed a few things. Thrown ins are getting worse and worse. Not just the act of the throw in itself, but the lack of training and preparing for throw ins is evident. But that is not really the intent of my post: but -- am I wrong, or do they never call kids anymore for twisting their hands on thrown ins -- it seems to be fully acceptable now. Is it legal now? A ref I know just said he/she doesn't call them to keep the pace of play going and not to slow down the game. Twisting is ok so long player stands facing the field, ball is thrown in with both hands from behind the head. The issue I see often is when players throw the ball in down the field but do not stand facing the field, ie they stand facing down the field. That’s an illegal throw in. Well see that is where the nuance is. As long as their body is even semi angled toward the field one can say he is facing the field and thus it is a legal throw-in. One does not have to be 90 degrees perpendicular with the sideline for it to be a legal throw in. it could be as little as a 10-20 degree angle toward the field and it would still count facing the field and a legal throw in. Very rarely have I seen a player at a 0 degree angle and parallel with the sideline throwing it as that would not be a natural stance to do the throw-in because most don't want to twist their throw so they will be angled in the direction of the field they want to throw it which always mean some degree angle toward the field and thus a legal throw-in. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 29, 2021 17:12:59 GMT -5
“Facing the field” isn’t an absolute direction.
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