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Post by nole95 on Mar 27, 2021 15:12:29 GMT -5
Anyone else have the pleasure of attending the Lambert-West game last night? Two of the best 7A teams in the state with arguably one of the best players in the state playing for West. Won by Lambert in PKs.
Crazy physical game with one red card, 5 yellow cards and 5 players carried off for injuries.
I had no dog in this fight as my daughter attends another local high school. We went because she know girls on both teams.
Red was given to the best player on the field for West 18 minutes in for arguably one of the best academy award performances of all time. Essentially looked like the forward ran by the midfielder right about the 50 yard line, whereupon the girl goes down clutching her hands to her face like she had just been clawed to death. Something you usually see in the mens game. Ref, who is a good 10 yards from the play, walks across the field and pulls the red. Does not even check to see if the girl is actually hurt or has any marks. Girl immediately gets up and continues playing. Completely changed the whole complexion of that game. Was able to watch things again in the online replay, and I still cannot see what, if anything, might have happened.
I will say that watching the rest of the game, you would not have known West was down a player. They pretty much dominated shots on goal the whole second half and into overtime. Just had one of those games where the ball would not go into the net or the Lambert keeper was making some great saves.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 27, 2021 23:09:16 GMT -5
Just watched it on nfhsnetwork(View from the goodyear blimp basically), it's hard to see since it's so far away but the WF girl didn't break stride so I'm not even sure how she would have been hit there let alone the Lambert girl fall backwards after getting hit. Not sure if she got smacked with her right hand/arm on the way by since the angle is bad, but we have seen some horrid center reffing this season for HS for our school's games especially by the center ref so it's not so much a surprise to me. That said, W Forsyth is very good, our out of region game against them was cancelled due to covid and we happily didn't reschedule  |
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Post by futbolpapa on Mar 28, 2021 16:10:56 GMT -5
She slapped her open-handed in the nose as she ran by. Highly doubt it was on accident based on this player's history w/ red & yellow cards and that may have played a role in the call, unfortunately. The center ref was less than 10 yards away & looking right at it. For it to be an immediate red, he had to be convinced it was intentional & malicious. It happens so fast on the video it's hard to see it. Hopefully, she'll learn how to control her emotions as she matures as she is super-talented. This game was extraordinarily physical and out of hand after the ejection. Five yellows were called & there could have been 5+ more. Both teams came away with multiple injuries and had to go deep in their bench to finish the game. If they meet again, it will likely be in state champ game or semi-finals & it could get ugly for sure without the right refs managing the game.
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Post by nole95 on Mar 28, 2021 17:14:56 GMT -5
Curious where she has a history of red cards? At the club level? As far as I know, this is her first year playing high school. From what I see on previous game recaps, she has played in and scored at least 2-3 goals in every game this season. When she played against my daughter’s school she was certainly physics, but no one on her tram reported she did anything considered dirty.
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Post by soccergirldad on Mar 28, 2021 17:44:54 GMT -5
Curious where she has a history of red cards? At the club level? As far as I know, this is her first year playing high school. From what I see on previous game recaps, she has played in and scored at least 2-3 goals in every game this season. When she played against my daughter’s school she was certainly physics, but no one on her tram reported she did anything considered dirty. I've watched her play in club ball and whether it was academy, DA or ECNL she has been carded on multiple occasions (red & yellow). Unfortunately as talented as she is, and she is indeed VERY talented, she is known as a dirty player. I'm pretty sure her teammates love her but I can speak from experience about how dirty she plays on the pitch.....And I'm not talking about incidental contact, I'm talking actually stating that she was going to take someone out and them doing it. Once again let me state that she is very very talented but she has definitely earned the "dirty player" tag. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 28, 2021 18:07:24 GMT -5
Curious where she has a history of red cards? At the club level? As far as I know, this is her first year playing high school. From what I see on previous game recaps, she has played in and scored at least 2-3 goals in every game this season. When she played against my daughter’s school she was certainly physics, but no one on her tram reported she did anything considered dirty. I've watched her play in club ball and whether it was academy, DA or ECNL she has been carded on multiple occasions (red & yellow). Unfortunately as talented as she is, and she is indeed VERY talented, she is known as a dirty player. I'm pretty sure her teammates love her but I can speak from experience about how dirty she plays on the pitch.....And I'm not talking about incidental contact, I'm talking actually stating that she was going to take someone out and them doing it. Once again let me state that she is very very talented but she has definitely earned the "dirty player" tag. If this is the player I am thinking it is (original post was not clear...I wasn't sure if there was simulation or real foul until I read the others) then from U14-U16 there were 9 yellows and 1 red (which was for two yellows). That is not that bad for close to 80-90 games. Girls often get the label of dirty when they are physical. I can also say that I took players out of games in high school but it was generally due to physics (bigger/stronger) and not truly dirty. I can also say that if they fouled me I often did retaliate. Emotion is part of the game and I see MANY MANY pro players that foul with physical play that don't get called dirty. Part of the "dirty" player label for many youth players is parental (and grandparental) fear for these kids. I hear parents call things dirty all of the time that I don't think are dirty at all. I understand the fear and I worry about my kids getting injured but I cannot think of any time I have called an opponent dirty. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 28, 2021 19:06:23 GMT -5
I've watched her play in club ball and whether it was academy, DA or ECNL she has been carded on multiple occasions (red & yellow). Unfortunately as talented as she is, and she is indeed VERY talented, she is known as a dirty player. I'm pretty sure her teammates love her but I can speak from experience about how dirty she plays on the pitch.....And I'm not talking about incidental contact, I'm talking actually stating that she was going to take someone out and them doing it. Once again let me state that she is very very talented but she has definitely earned the "dirty player" tag. If this is the player I am thinking it is (original post was not clear...I wasn't sure if there was simulation or real foul until I read the others) then from U14-U16 there were 9 yellows and 1 red (which was for two yellows). That is not that bad for close to 80-90 games. Girls often get the label of dirty when they are physical. I can also say that I took players out of games in high school but it was generally due to physics (bigger/stronger) and not truly dirty. I can also say that if they fouled me I often did retaliate. Emotion is part of the game and I see MANY MANY pro players that foul with physical play that don't get called dirty. Part of the "dirty" player label for many youth players is parental (and grandparental) fear for these kids. I hear parents call things dirty all of the time that I don't think are dirty at all. I understand the fear and I worry about my kids getting injured but I cannot think of any time I have called an opponent dirty. No dog in this fight, but if the girl really did reach out and swat the Lambert girls face as she was running by, that sounds dirty to me but what do I know |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 28, 2021 19:32:40 GMT -5
If this is the player I am thinking it is (original post was not clear...I wasn't sure if there was simulation or real foul until I read the others) then from U14-U16 there were 9 yellows and 1 red (which was for two yellows). That is not that bad for close to 80-90 games. Girls often get the label of dirty when they are physical. I can also say that I took players out of games in high school but it was generally due to physics (bigger/stronger) and not truly dirty. I can also say that if they fouled me I often did retaliate. Emotion is part of the game and I see MANY MANY pro players that foul with physical play that don't get called dirty. Part of the "dirty" player label for many youth players is parental (and grandparental) fear for these kids. I hear parents call things dirty all of the time that I don't think are dirty at all. I understand the fear and I worry about my kids getting injured but I cannot think of any time I have called an opponent dirty. No dog in this fight, but if the girl really did reach out and swat the Lambert girls face as she was running by, that sounds dirty to me but what do I know Sure if it was intentional but seems like a weird thing to do. Swat someone's nose. And would require pretty good accuracy. But even if it was, one dirty play does not make a player dirty. Emotions get the best of people all of the time. Along the line of hands to the face, does it bother anyone else when they see soccer players with super long acrylic fingernails? That seems like a hazard to me. |
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Post by nole95 on Mar 28, 2021 19:32:43 GMT -5
All I know is she didn’t play dirty against my daughter’s team. Whether she did in this case is up for debate. It didn’t look like it from my viewpoint and the video is not real conclusive.
Video also shows the field ref 10 yards behind the play at the point the Lambert player went down. Not sure how he could have a clear view of anything at the speed those girls were moving.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 28, 2021 20:54:51 GMT -5
I'm finding a lot of the HS refs are kind of awful this season, no offense to anyone here that is one We played one game where one of the ARs were talking to the players on a first name basis during the game...Not saying that ref was biased or making calls against our team that weren't deserved, but it at best looked like a conflict of interest. Then we've seen center refs completely miss calls and lose control of games, while others looked biased in theirs. Inept or biased, the reffing has been pretty inconsistent at the least so I completely buy this one just reacting to the girls fall whether it happened or not but can't exonerate WF from a foul either so there's probably 2 people that actually know the answer and I'm guessing we know how they'd both respond without asking lol. |
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Post by coffee on Mar 28, 2021 21:55:54 GMT -5
I just watched it. These videos are made from multiple cameras that are combined into a composite image to give the effect of a single virtual camera that is panning, and zooming around the stadium. At the game being discussed the camera that was contributing the center-right section of the composite image (and the one that records the infraction) was blurry as hell.
To me the act that earned a red card looks like a retaliation for some perceived offense plain and simple. This kind of thing happens in American football games all of the time. Usually the guy that parents and referees see shoving another player, or throwing a punch was actually the second person to act unsportsmanlike. No, I’m not condoning any alleged behavior, just giving my impression of what I think likely happened based on incomplete data. When the girl that was ejected had the ⚽️ taken away from her, perhaps she felt that it was done in an especially aggressive, painful, offensive, or humiliating way. Maybe she was cleated, accidental or not. Whatever the perceived insult, she’s been to this rodeo before, and someone (the player she’s about to put down) needs a correction (AKA a lesson). It is possible that Red Card didn’t intend to be so effective and obvious, we when she elbowed the other girl in the face (just one possibility) maybe she intended to throw that elbow lower. For sure the ref has to eject her. He can’t allow that to stand.
For anyone wanting to watch it:
The time of the first take away between these two is 1:10:18. The second take away/tackle, and the infraction is two seconds later at 1:10:20.
The title of the video is “Boys And Girls Varsity Soccer Lambert High School vs West Forsyth High School”
Stream it on the NFHS Network. It requires a subscription.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 29, 2021 6:19:24 GMT -5
Does this thread not cross some sort of line? Discussions of an individual minor. Repeatedly calling her a “dirty player”? Accusing her of intentionally trying to hurt an opponent? Forensic detail of a high school video so any random jackass can find who the kid is and make some sort of asinine judgement? All from random adults who get to remain anonymous. For those in the area the initial statement made it pretty obvious who the player was. I don't like the dirty player label in general but my calls are falling in deaf ears. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 29, 2021 6:28:56 GMT -5
Does this thread not cross some sort of line? Discussions of an individual minor. Repeatedly calling her a “dirty player”? Accusing her of intentionally trying to hurt an opponent? Forensic detail of a high school video so any random jackass can find who the kid is and make some sort of asinine judgement? All from random adults who get to remain anonymous. For those in the area the initial statement made it pretty obvious who the player was. I don't like the dirty player label in general but my calls are falling in deaf ears. Some on my favorite professional players often got that moniker...I’d wear it as a badge of honor...but that’s me. If the player is hurting the team by her actions, she needs to think about it. Who knows, maybe it gave them a spark. If she were an American football player would we call her dirty or say “that’s my boy?” BTW: I’m not advocating for anyone to go out and break ankles... |
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Post by nole95 on Mar 29, 2021 6:59:29 GMT -5
I never called the player dirty. If anything I questioned if anything actually happened and whether or not it should have even been a red card.
If the Lambert player had been hit as hard as her flailing around made it out to be, she sure did get up really quickly ready to play again. I would also have to think there would have been some noticeable marks on her face that the ref could have checked on before pulling any card. If the ref saw a blow to the head, then he also should have sent the Lambert player off temporarily for evaluation. I have seen that happen in multiple games this season when there was an obvious blow to the head be it from being hit by a ball or players running into each other.
Chances are there was some contact made. Could have been on purpose or accidental, but certainly not to the level that the player made it out to be when she threw herself to the ground. My guess is these players knew this girl played physical, waited for a moment to present itself where this type of embellishment could be used, and they went for it. No place in the game for either type of behavior if that is indeed what went on.
End result was a game that got out of hand physically with multiple players injured.
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Mar 29, 2021 8:35:23 GMT -5
I have had the pleasure of watching WF play this season - extremely physical with multiple injuries to our team as well.
Any time you have players getting hurt something is wrong.
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Post by Respect on Apr 1, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -5
I never called the player dirty. If anything I questioned if anything actually happened and whether or not it should have even been a red card. If the Lambert player had been hit as hard as her flailing around made it out to be, she sure did get up really quickly ready to play again. I would also have to think there would have been some noticeable marks on her face that the ref could have checked on before pulling any card. If the ref saw a blow to the head, then he also should have sent the Lambert player off temporarily for evaluation. I have seen that happen in multiple games this season when there was an obvious blow to the head be it from being hit by a ball or players running into each other. Chances are there was some contact made. Could have been on purpose or accidental, but certainly not to the level that the player made it out to be when she threw herself to the ground. My guess is these players knew this girl played physical, waited for a moment to present itself where this type of embellishment could be used, and they went for it. No place in the game for either type of behavior if that is indeed what went on. End result was a game that got out of hand physically with multiple players injured. Mind you that attempting to strike is also punishable. The ref does not have to determine if player has noticeable marks in her face to issue a red card. Any intentional strike or attempt to strike with arm swings, fists, head-butt another player is deserving of a red card. The ref in this case did not hesitate so I give him the benefit of the doubt since he was 10 yards from play. We can speculate if fouled player sold the physical strength/vigor of the impact but it wouldn’t matter much. What I do see is fouled player slightly turning left towards the chasing player so contact may have been incidental. Hard to tell with angle and poor video quality. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 5, 2021 6:09:27 GMT -5
Seen the video of the incident....the WF girl didn't touch the Lambert girl. It was an oscar performance.
Let me give everyone a small back story. Both girls involved play in the same club fyi. Some of the Lambert girls play in the same team as the WF girl. Some of the Lambert girls had been planning all week how to get WF girl taken care off at the game. Her own Lambert teammates will tell you that it was all fake. I even heard when the red card was given the Lambert girl went and hugged her teammates and they celebrated. I have also heard some stories about the Lambert girl's behavior in her club team but I won't go into that.
I have spoken to people on both teams and a couple of coaches that were there when it happened.
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