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Post by atlutd17 on Mar 28, 2021 21:37:09 GMT -5
Very disappointing, haven't qualified since 2008.
I remember back then us hoping to do better in the Olympics hopefully get to the final if not take the gold. But now we can't even get to the Olympics!
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 29, 2021 6:22:22 GMT -5
Very disappointing, haven't qualified since 2008. I remember back then us hoping to do better in the Olympics hopefully get to the final if not take the gold. But now we can't even get to the Olympics! Certainly would have helped if the senior team was not playing friendlies at the same time and if clubs would have released their players to the team. Atlanta kept 3 players off of the team. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 29, 2021 6:25:06 GMT -5
Very disappointing, haven't qualified since 2008. I remember back then us hoping to do better in the Olympics hopefully get to the final if not take the gold. But now we can't even get to the Olympics! Certainly would have helped if the senior team was not playing friendlies at the same time and if clubs would have released their players to the team. Atlanta kept 3 players off of the team. True...but we are in CONCACAF. We should be able to qualify with our 3 or 4 team. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 29, 2021 7:13:31 GMT -5
obviously twitter was blowing up.
Rinse, wash, repeat -- same story
Our entire system right now hinges on dual nationals - that doesn't say much for development and talent identification in the states.
I have no problem with utilizing any player in the globe with a US passport, but still doesn't make sense that our system isn't working.
It's obvious last night the focus was on athleticism and pace for technical ability for many.
And that 2nd goal, what are they 8, terrible.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 29, 2021 7:14:42 GMT -5
The goalkeeper errors are magnified 100x, as a keeper parent I really feel for Ochoa. Tough loss, but you'd think after losing to Honduras in 2015 they'd play with a little more intensity. A different game if Pulisic and Reyna is there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 29, 2021 7:31:14 GMT -5
The goalkeeper errors are magnified 100x, as a keeper parent I really feel for Ochoa. Tough loss, but you'd think after losing to Honduras in 2015 they'd play with a little more intensity. A different game if Pulisic and Reyna is there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. It started with a horrible negatively ball played, #10 stepped in on a 50-50 ball and just banged it backwards, then Ochoa makes a huge mistake at the worst time. Either way, keeper errors like that are back breakers, it kills you mentally to watch that happen. highlights - |
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Post by bogan on Mar 29, 2021 7:41:54 GMT -5
As that second goal went in all I could hear in my head was Charles Barkley-“turreble”
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 29, 2021 8:39:40 GMT -5
The goalkeeper errors are magnified 100x, as a keeper parent I really feel for Ochoa. Tough loss, but you'd think after losing to Honduras in 2015 they'd play with a little more intensity. A different game if Pulisic and Reyna is there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. I agree. I felt terrible for him. Awful thing but he is not the only keeper to have that happen even in the pros. He will hopefully persevere. I agree about Pulisic and Reyna but forget that for a minute and realize that there were tons of age eligible guys playing for full team. Dike, Aaronson, Dest, Richards, Sargent and so on. At one point I think there were 7 or 8 on the pitch at the same time maybe more. We really also were handicapped by others not releasing players like ATL with Bello and Robinson. We could have fielded a U23 team with the stars and walked through the qualification but we chose the less established guys. I know Mexico does the same but what about Honduras? Are they keeping their best U23 guys out of the competition? Bet they aren't. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 29, 2021 8:50:12 GMT -5
The Olympics are obviously a low priority for these owners...Look at the NHL, they haven't let their players in since 2014 and collectively bargained it to allow their players to play in 2022 and 2026. I know it's different for qualifying, you'd think the different leagues would want their players in for brand recognition but I'm assuming they don't want their property(the players) to get damaged in a game that doesn't help them directly.
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Post by baller84 on Mar 29, 2021 12:36:54 GMT -5
Good points here and while I semi-understand the lack of depth for the USMNT at the World Cup level, this was not for the WC however.
In a country of 300+M (versus a country of 9+M like Honduras) we should have a far far deeper pool of players for the Olympic U23 level of play.
Let's reflect on the true effect the changes made by the power that be since 2008 in soccer ...
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Post by rifle on Mar 29, 2021 17:24:13 GMT -5
Perhaps it’s scouting? It’s not like our Talent pool is ten miles wide and one inch deep. Put Hugo Perez or Brian Kleiban on the bench and watch them start to win.
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Post by BubbleDad on Mar 29, 2021 17:39:36 GMT -5
It's the obvious which has been discussed MANY times ... the middle class is priced out of high level soccer, you also don't see many nonHispanic kids playing soccer leisurely so much in the states.
PLUS these "winning" clubs rather cross recruit than develop players in house. Damn near whole teams have been replaced by bringing in kids from other clubs.
It's not in America's cultural fabric. Kids don't play outside much anymore .... they are being carted off to some organized sport.
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Post by baller84 on Mar 29, 2021 17:59:17 GMT -5
Perhaps it’s scouting? It’s not like our Talent pool is ten miles wide and one inch deep. Put Hugo Perez or Brian Kleiban on the bench and watch them start to win. That's part of it. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Mar 31, 2021 14:43:40 GMT -5
Valid points. It sounds like a leadership issue. It is clear putting short term gains and money first has not worked.
But money makes this world go around. The incentives must change to first reward player development more than winning and that takes a village and a culture change.
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Post by baller84 on Mar 31, 2021 20:07:54 GMT -5
The problem is far greater than just missing talent.
Even with the best talent I don't think the results will be much better when talent doesn't develop as it should.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 1, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -5
The problem is far greater than just missing talent. Even with the best talent I don't think the results will be much better when talent doesn't develop as it should. So Pulisic, Reyna, Dike, Sargent, Dest, Aaronson, and the other 10 age appropriate players that were on full national team during this spell plus Robinson, Bello and whoever the third Atl player not let out by them could not have beaten Honduras? Is that what you are saying about not developing talent as we should? Granted we have no credit for Dest as he was in Europe the whole time but the rest were here until 16-18 years old. Just saying... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 1, 2021 9:01:16 GMT -5
Problem is we don't know, the group didn't play.
It would have been pretty cool to see that group together against other u23s and see what they can do.
now pressure is on to qualify for the next world cup - that would be a disaster if they don't qualify.
but either way, nothing will change -
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Apr 1, 2021 9:40:37 GMT -5
It’s just like at any other level of play - one has to look at it not as one player there instead of another. One has to look at as a #1 field player on the team replacing the #10 player. Or 1-4 replacing 7-10. If you don’t think that’s a huge difference you’re not paying attention.
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Post by baller84 on Apr 1, 2021 9:45:00 GMT -5
The problem is far greater than just missing talent. Even with the best talent I don't think the results will be much better when talent doesn't develop as it should. So Pulisic, Reyna, Dike, Sargent, Dest, Aaronson, and the other 10 age appropriate players that were on full national team during this spell plus Robinson, Bello and whoever the third Atl player not let out by them could not have beaten Honduras? Is that what you are saying about not developing talent as we should? Granted we have no credit for Dest as he was in Europe the whole time but the rest were here until 16-18 years old. Just saying... We don't know. And it's more than a handful. We have to factor in that these are pros and many top U23 from other countries (much smaller than the US) have club obligations as well, and do not participate either. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 1, 2021 20:26:46 GMT -5
WCQ is going to be a pressure cooker and it’ll very likely end badly again so long as MLS has outsized influence over the federation..
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 2, 2021 11:22:09 GMT -5
WCQ is going to be a pressure cooker and it’ll very likely end badly again so long as MLS has outsized influence over the federation.. WCQ is a different conversation. It's every player's dream. There is an international calendar for this reason every club seems to respect when it comes to the WCQ. This is not the case with the U23 or other competitions or friendly matches. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 2, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -5
WCQ is going to be a pressure cooker and it’ll very likely end badly again so long as MLS has outsized influence over the federation.. WCQ is a different conversation. It's every player's dream. There is an international calendar for this reason every club seems to respect when it comes to the WCQ. This is not the case with the U23 or other competitions or friendly matches. I agree fully. |
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