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Post by kidsocceruber on Mar 31, 2021 14:16:52 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Mar 31, 2021 14:30:20 GMT -5
Not sure why you’d mandate the goal keep be replaced or have to leave the game unless you were evaluating a head injury. |
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Post by coffee on Mar 31, 2021 16:08:58 GMT -5
Not sure why you’d mandate the goal keep be replaced or have to leave the game unless you were evaluating a head injury. I think that this rule is an attempt to discourage players (including keepers) from slowing the game with fake injuries. What I don’t get is why isn’t a sub required for an apparently injured keeper? It says that keeper can be replaced or subbed. But, if they aren’t subbing someone, how the heck does the keeper get back in goal? I mean if a field player is _replaced_ as opposed to _subbing_ they still had to put on a contrasting color penny or jersey. Any field player that is temporarily sent off due to an injury doesn’t have the problem of a jersey swap when finally permitted back on the pitch. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 31, 2021 16:29:29 GMT -5
Not sure why you’d mandate the goal keep be replaced or have to leave the game unless you were evaluating a head injury. I think that this rule is an attempt to discourage players (including keepers) from slowing the game with fake injuries. What I don’t get is why isn’t a sub required for an apparently injured keeper? It says that keeper can be replaced or subbed. But, if they aren’t subbing someone, how the heck does the keeper get back in goal? I mean if a field player is _replaced_ as opposed to _subbing_ they still had to put on a contrasting color penny or jersey. Any field player that is temporarily sent off due to an injury doesn’t have the problem of a jersey swap when finally permitted back on the pitch. Well, right...it takes longer...which is why I think they missed this one. |
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Post by Respect on Apr 1, 2021 8:50:02 GMT -5
I think that this rule is an attempt to discourage players (including keepers) from slowing the game with fake injuries. What I don’t get is why isn’t a sub required for an apparently injured keeper? It says that keeper can be replaced or subbed. But, if they aren’t subbing someone, how the heck does the keeper get back in goal? I mean if a field player is _replaced_ as opposed to _subbing_ they still had to put on a contrasting color penny or jersey. Any field player that is temporarily sent off due to an injury doesn’t have the problem of a jersey swap when finally permitted back on the pitch. Well, right...it takes longer...which is why I think they missed this one. Not necessarily. Think of it as an investment for future returns. As coffee stated, the keeper is more likely to not do this again. Otherwise every ball to him can be 2-3 minutes the game is stopped. It creates a sportsmanship habit that this tactic is not permitted or at least discouraged. Many of this high school rules intend is to minimize cases where the judgment or subjectivity of the ref can play part in a tight game. |
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Post by bogan on Apr 1, 2021 9:04:04 GMT -5
Well, right...it takes longer...which is why I think they missed this one. Not necessarily. Think of it as an investment for future returns. As coffee stated, the keeper is more likely to not do this again. Otherwise every ball to him can be 2-3 minutes the game is stopped. It creates a sportsmanship habit that this tactic is not permitted or at least discouraged. Many of this high school rules intend is to minimize cases where the judgment or subjectivity of the ref can play part in a tight game. We are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree-the ref can stop the clock or chose not to in high school games. Making the keep leave may or may not provide the other team an advantage, so in that sense it could be used as a deterrent but it seems like it would kill the flow of the game to me...and more likely be used if a team needed a breather b/c it’s going to take a lot longer to warm up another goal keep. Just my two cents. I’m sure at some point it was an issue or they wouldn’t have gone against FIFA/USSF rules. |
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Post by Respect on Apr 1, 2021 18:20:53 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Think of it as an investment for future returns. As coffee stated, the keeper is more likely to not do this again. Otherwise every ball to him can be 2-3 minutes the game is stopped. It creates a sportsmanship habit that this tactic is not permitted or at least discouraged. Many of this high school rules intend is to minimize cases where the judgment or subjectivity of the ref can play part in a tight game. We are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree-the ref can stop the clock or chose not to in high school games. Making the keep leave may or may not provide the other team an advantage, so in that sense it could be used as a deterrent but it seems like it would kill the flow of the game to me...and more likely be used if a team needed a breather b/c it’s going to take a lot longer to warm up another goal keep. Just my two cents. I’m sure at some point it was an issue or they wouldn’t have gone against FIFA/USSF rules. Once the clock is stopped, substitution must take place. The scenario given was when clock was stopped. Of course, if clock is ticking, the ref can simply check to make sure all is fine and let the game continue without any sub. And If in his/her judgment the keeper is wasting time then he/she can issue a caution (YC). My initial response is a matter of the rule/law, not a judgment call, so no place to disagree (we can agree or disagree as to whether or not we like the rule but that’s about it) |
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Post by Respect on Apr 1, 2021 18:26:55 GMT -5
Myth: The goalkeeper does not have to be substituted if he/she is injured and attended to on the field but is able to continue playing.
Anytime the trainer or coach is called to the field to attend a player, the clock must be stopped and the player (including the keeper) must leave the field (even if the player can continue playing after being checked by trainer/coach).
Because a team cannot play without a keeper, he/she must be substituted. If it is a field player, the coach can choose to substitute or play down a player (until the next dead ball).
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Post by bogan on Apr 1, 2021 18:43:41 GMT -5
We are going to have to respectfully agree to disagree-the ref can stop the clock or chose not to in high school games. Making the keep leave may or may not provide the other team an advantage, so in that sense it could be used as a deterrent but it seems like it would kill the flow of the game to me...and more likely be used if a team needed a breather b/c it’s going to take a lot longer to warm up another goal keep. Just my two cents. I’m sure at some point it was an issue or they wouldn’t have gone against FIFA/USSF rules. Once the clock is stopped, substitution must take place. The scenario given was when clock was stopped. Of course, if clock is ticking, the ref can simply check to make sure all is fine and let the game continue without any sub. And If in his/her judgment the keeper is wasting time then he/she can issue a caution (YC). My initial response is a matter of the rule/law, not a judgment call, so no place to disagree (we can agree or disagree as to whether or not we like the rule but that’s about it) Yeah ok you win |
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