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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 12, 2021 11:37:00 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that the National staff goes straight to MLS and ECNL first for players. ODP is still there so that a few legit region players get an invite through that process, but is far from its original purpose.
It's also true that most states don't or simply can't take ODP seriously due to the lack of top talent (worthy of consideration for the next level) is interested to join. Being pay to play for the most part, ODP staff is then forced to accept less talented players for the minimum numbers required to sustain the viability of the program in their state. There are few exceptions to it, Florida for example that takes it far more seriously and player quality is high. In relation to most other states however, Georgia is actually among the better ones. This doesn't make it great of course, it just speaks to the overall state and quality of ODP as a program nationwide.
None of this is pleasant for ODP. The problem is not GA Soccer, it's USSF and US Soccer. GA Soccer is victim to a broken system. The ID and development process since DA and ECNL started well over a decade ago have NOT worked either. One can blame MLS and ECNL not developing top talent but the bigger problem is at the top. Results over the last dozen plus years with UNMNT and Olympic teams tell the story. Videos with Bruce Arena, Taylor Twellman, Ale Moreno and many other qualified professionals who explain WHY, are available on youtube for all those willing and able to see.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 12, 2021 11:46:32 GMT -5
Not sure why the entire concept hasn't been modified starting with the name -- ODP The Olympic Development Program (ODP) was created by U.S. Soccer for two purposes: to identify national team players at the youth level. to provide development opportunities for these potential national team players MLS Next/GA league Identification Program? MIP/GIP! |
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Post by bogan on Apr 12, 2021 11:55:26 GMT -5
Not sure why the entire concept hasn't been modified starting with the name -- ODP The Olympic Development Program (ODP) was created by U.S. Soccer for two purposes: to identify national team players at the youth level. to provide development opportunities for these potential national team players MLS Next/GA league Identification Program? MIP/GIP! N.A.S.T.I North Atlanta Soccer Talent Identification 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 12, 2021 12:02:03 GMT -5
If you could keep politics out of it, a regional all star team from each ECNL region as voted on by the coaches in that region (could not vote for your own player) to gather for a week of training and then playing games against all star teams from other regions would be incredible.
If you can’t keep politics out of it, same concept except that each coach selects two players from his team to send to the all star contest.
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Post by atlutd17 on Apr 12, 2021 12:02:59 GMT -5
Not sure why the entire concept hasn't been modified starting with the name -- ODP The Olympic Development Program (ODP) was created by U.S. Soccer for two purposes: to identify national team players at the youth level. to provide development opportunities for these potential national team players MLS Next/GA league Identification Program? MIP/GIP! Yes and where has that change gotten us? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 12, 2021 12:32:53 GMT -5
I might be wrong, I seem to remember a story of Andrew Carleton being cut when he tried out for ODP.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 12, 2021 12:41:04 GMT -5
This is our first year participating in ODP, and while not perfect we believe it has been valuable. My daughter gets extra touches, has played different positions, has received different coaching from different coaches (outside our club), and has met more people. Now when we play league games she looks to see if there are any ODP teammates on the other team, and she makes sure she talks to them after the game.
I will say, for the '07 girls team this year, there were definitely cuts made. I actually think about half the girls that showed up for initial tryouts were cut before the final rosters were named.
This weekend we were in Atlanta for the SC Friendlies and we tied both games 1-1. From what we were told, and apparently what the girls were told, SC pooled together their 06, 07 & 08 players to make rosters. Our first game was predominantly against 07 players, with a few 08 players mixed in (maybe 3 or 4). The second game was against about half 07 players and half 06 players. We could definitely see the difference in rosters as the SC girls in game 2 were bigger & faster than in game 1.
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Post by baller84 on Apr 12, 2021 12:57:48 GMT -5
I might be wrong, I seem to remember a story of Andrew Carleton being cut when he tried out for ODP. Tryouts in general is not the best way to identify players, especially if those tryouts are not run properly. Not just ODP, anywhere. Scouting meaningful competitive matches to identify players, and multiple times, is a better way. There are other ways as well. Maybe there were some better players out there but, the selected players on the U23 team last month or the USMNT in 2017 they were good enough to qualify for their respective events. They once again did not, for several other reasons. While talent identification in general is a very important issue, there are far greater problems in US Soccer... |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 12, 2021 16:54:56 GMT -5
I might be wrong, I seem to remember a story of Andrew Carleton being cut when he tried out for ODP. ...I don't know where to start or where to go with this one |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 12, 2021 20:58:48 GMT -5
ODP lost its original mandate at least a decade ago with the introduction of DA for boys. You couldn't do both. With the girls, they could do ECNL, ODP and High School. If you look at major college rosters, it seemed like every girl at every major college had some stint in ODP on her soccer resume. The lynchpin in it's demise from a nation standpoint, came about once NTC and YNT centers and training were introduced. At that point ODP took on a different unspoken mandate. Especially if you were at a small(non big 5 club).
Jacob Daniels would come to the major clubs and ask for the top players at particular age groups. They would be invited to the summer camp and it was off to the races with trainings, friendlies, regionals, sub-regionals, summer program and HOT-Bama camps. Take ODP for what it's worth, a chance to learn from other coaches and other styles of play, an attempt at playing another position, challenging for leadership, at a certain age group you are scouted by colleges and coached by college coaches also. You make life long friends and get an insight as to how other local clubs are run(unofficially recruit friends).
At the end of the day, is your kid happy, making friends, developing with the extra touches and facing uncommon teams. Finally, you go all over the southeast and are given opportunities to play other states in showcases. This particular year has been a cluster for some age groups. Sub par fields, weather problems, split locations, not enough uniforms, teams not meeting enough times to gel as one. My initial excuse is to blame the Rona but I think at the end the new leadership, should do a post mortem and work out all the fail points if they want to remove the dirty taste some currently have of ODP...🙉🙈🙊
I wonder how many will hang around for the Tx Regional
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Apr 12, 2021 21:26:42 GMT -5
If you could keep politics out of it, a regional all star team from each ECNL region as voted on by the coaches in that region (could not vote for your own player) to gather for a week of training and then playing games against all star teams from other regions would be incredible. If you can’t keep politics out of it, same concept except that each coach selects two players from his team to send to the all star contest. This is supposed to be starting or something similar called the ECNL Super Cup. |
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