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Post by Upper90 on Apr 3, 2021 16:20:17 GMT -5
I love how people will come on here and say parents need to have more of a voice otherwise soccer clubs will continue to do what they do and ultimately don’t have the kid’s interest at heart....AND on and on. But then when parents do have a voice and go to the club stating this isn’t what we want. The parents get labeled as entitled. Or if they choose to leave then they are club hoppers. It’s ridiculous really. My kids are happy at their clubs, but if they weren’t and I voiced my want and the club didn’t really care, well yeah it’s Atlanta and I literally can take my ball and kid and go elsewhere. I read it all the time on here so many say “pay to play” and parents needs to come together. Then they do and many of the same people touting the “power” of the clubs are now shouting entitled parents. It’s crazy really. Spring has sprung and so has the craziness of soccer.
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Post by rifle on Apr 3, 2021 17:20:37 GMT -5
You’re right.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 3, 2021 17:33:21 GMT -5
I love how people will come on here and say parents need to have more of a voice otherwise soccer clubs will continue to do what they do and ultimately don’t have the kid’s interest at heart....AND on and on. But then when parents do have a voice and go to the club stating this isn’t what we want. The parents get labeled as entitled. Or if they choose to leave then they are club hoppers. It’s ridiculous really. My kids are happy at their clubs, but if they weren’t and I voiced my want and the club didn’t really care, well yeah it’s Atlanta and I literally can take my ball and kid and go elsewhere. I read it all the time on here so many say “pay to play” and parents needs to come together. Then they do and many of the same people touting the “power” of the clubs are now shouting entitled parents. It’s crazy really. Spring has sprung and so has the craziness of soccer. Best post I’ve read on here in a long time. Couldn’t agree more. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Apr 4, 2021 0:43:43 GMT -5
I love how people will come on here and say parents need to have more of a voice otherwise soccer clubs will continue to do what they do and ultimately don’t have the kid’s interest at heart....AND on and on. But then when parents do have a voice and go to the club stating this isn’t what we want. The parents get labeled as entitled. Or if they choose to leave then they are club hoppers. It’s ridiculous really. My kids are happy at their clubs, but if they weren’t and I voiced my want and the club didn’t really care, well yeah it’s Atlanta and I literally can take my ball and kid and go elsewhere. I read it all the time on here so many say “pay to play” and parents needs to come together. Then they do and many of the same people touting the “power” of the clubs are now shouting entitled parents. It’s crazy really. Spring has sprung and so has the craziness of soccer. Maybe the autonomy to “take your kid and ball” to another club, is THE problem. People question why money is a factor in club sports? It’s because that’s what we’ve created. Demand creates price not the other the way around. Less movement creates less inflation. The more unrealistic demands just creates unrealistic pricing, pretty simple. The clubs are just adjusting to your fallacies! New thread about college players ability or audacity to up and transfer to another school as an issue... when parents brag on a blog of club movement year to year as a given, cause they can and it’s their money!! Cool! Sounds pretty contradictory but I guess when it’s someone else’s kid benefiting that’s when it becomes an issue? Every evening as I walk the field to pick up my kid from practice, I thank the souls that put up with our BS for the love of the game! True qualified, quality coaches are Getting harder to come by and we wonder why... |
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Post by Upper90 on Apr 4, 2021 6:16:44 GMT -5
My post was specifically about the hypocrisy that exists here on this forum.
But I will say, that if a parent chooses to leave a club it isn’t a problem, it’s a solution that works for THEM.
Clubs are a business and the bottom line is the dollar they make.
I am 100% grateful to my kid’s coaches, BUT I am also fully aware we are lucky. I know there ARE parents who have kids on teams that can’t say that.
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Post by rifle on Apr 4, 2021 7:56:37 GMT -5
I found that people who complained about “club hoppers” were generally parents of kids who watched their kid’s best academy teammate move on to a (supposedly) higher level team. You know your kids team just got less competitive and you start making excuses. Those “darn club hoppers”....must be the coaches fault, right?
Obviously it is natural to want what’s best for YOUR kid. The current club soccer world (with multiple alphabet soup leagues with deliberately uncertain hierarchy) makes it very hard to know what’s best. Example: DA is gone, GAL vs ECNL - which is better? Wait and see? Yeah right!!
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 4, 2021 8:34:58 GMT -5
This is a great topic. We have been one of those that have been called a club hopper. We have had the same philosphy as I think happens in other places in the world where if development is stagnet with the given coach or club then it is time to move and when you find a coach that is good and your child is progressing then stick with him if he moves. Our daughter has been with 4 clubs during her club career and each time we moved it was for specific reasons. Our moves included following a great coach from one club to another, not wanting to be at the end of the bench for DA, and an early coach who made it so the kids didnt enjoy the game. Through it all the idea we kept in mind was if she progressed then good if not change things. We would do it all over again as she loves the game more now than ever before and will play in college. Dont be afarid to switch if it needs to be done.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 4, 2021 12:37:37 GMT -5
This is a great topic. We have been one of those that have been called a club hopper. We have had the same philosphy as I think happens in other places in the world where if development is stagnet with the given coach or club then it is time to move and when you find a coach that is good and your child is progressing then stick with him if he moves. Our daughter has been with 4 clubs during her club career and each time we moved it was for specific reasons. Our moves included following a great coach from one club to another, not wanting to be at the end of the bench for DA, and an early coach who made it so the kids didnt enjoy the game. Through it all the idea we kept in mind was if she progressed then good if not change things. We would do it all over again as she loves the game more now than ever before and will play in college. Dont be afarid to switch if it needs to be done. Yes... there are things that require a move. Don't assume motives... |
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Post by rudy on Apr 4, 2021 16:06:39 GMT -5
Its ok to change clubs. We know a family who left a club because of having 4 coaches in 1 year. All was preventable on the clubs part. In this case development was hampered. Kid left and flourished. That age group at that club had very limited success. As others have posted, if development is lacking, do some research and leave.
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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 4, 2021 18:42:57 GMT -5
I love how people will come on here and say parents need to have more of a voice otherwise soccer clubs will continue to do what they do and ultimately don’t have the kid’s interest at heart....AND on and on. But then when parents do have a voice and go to the club stating this isn’t what we want. The parents get labeled as entitled. Or if they choose to leave then they are club hoppers. It’s ridiculous really. My kids are happy at their clubs, but if they weren’t and I voiced my want and the club didn’t really care, well yeah it’s Atlanta and I literally can take my ball and kid and go elsewhere. I read it all the time on here so many say “pay to play” and parents needs to come together. Then they do and many of the same people touting the “power” of the clubs are now shouting entitled parents. It’s crazy really. Spring has sprung and so has the craziness of soccer. Maybe the autonomy to “take your kid and ball” to another club, is THE problem. People question why money is a factor in club sports? It’s because that’s what we’ve created. Demand creates price not the other the way around. Less movement creates less inflation. The more unrealistic demands just creates unrealistic pricing, pretty simple. The clubs are just adjusting to your fallacies! New thread about college players ability or audacity to up and transfer to another school as an issue... when parents brag on a blog of club movement year to year as a given, cause they can and it’s their money!! Cool! Sounds pretty contradictory but I guess when it’s someone else’s kid benefiting that’s when it becomes an issue? Every evening as I walk the field to pick up my kid from practice, I thank the souls that put up with our BS for the love of the game! True qualified, quality coaches are Getting harder to come by and we wonder why... --- I just want to say thank you for this great write up. |
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Post by dadofthree on Apr 4, 2021 21:00:25 GMT -5
Maybe the autonomy to “take your kid and ball” to another club, is THE problem. People question why money is a factor in club sports? It’s because that’s what we’ve created. Demand creates price not the other the way around. Less movement creates less inflation. The more unrealistic demands just creates unrealistic pricing, pretty simple. The clubs are just adjusting to your fallacies! New thread about college players ability or audacity to up and transfer to another school as an issue... when parents brag on a blog of club movement year to year as a given, cause they can and it’s their money!! Cool! Sounds pretty contradictory but I guess when it’s someone else’s kid benefiting that’s when it becomes an issue? Every evening as I walk the field to pick up my kid from practice, I thank the souls that put up with our BS for the love of the game! True qualified, quality coaches are Getting harder to come by and we wonder why... --- I just want to say thank you for this great write up. I think there is another side to this as well. While I agree that demand is the cause and there are a lot of issues on the "buyers" side there are also issues with the clubs. We have all seen clubs and coaches not always live up to their commitments and be basically nothing more than chalatins taking advantage of parents who know nothing more than they want to provide the best for their kids. The thing is on the club and coaches side they are professional and again I would bet most of us have seen unprofessional behavior from some. I do wholehearted agree that the good coaches are harder to find and parents need to remember to thank them ALOT for the time and effort they put in day in day out to make our kids better. If you are lucky enough to find one try find a way to keep them for as long as you can. |
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Post by liverpoolfc on Apr 5, 2021 13:58:33 GMT -5
"I do wholehearted agree that the good coaches are harder to find and parents need to remember to thank them ALOT for the time and effort they put in day in day out to make our kids better. If you are lucky enough to find one try find a way to keep them for as long as you can."
this right here speaks volume. I remember a friend of mine has a daughter on a particular team. She said her daughter's coach is probably the best coach she ever had. But some parents had issue with the coach because the coach demands more from the team, pushes the team to be better. They demanded the coach should step down or else they will leave the club. The club listened and the team end up not winning a single game all season.
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Post by rifle on Apr 5, 2021 17:02:09 GMT -5
There is definitely a slippery slope for coaches who attempt to communicate with parents. Or drink beverages with them. I understand why some simply won’t do the former at all. And I also understand why that frustrates people.
The title of this message thread is absolutely correct.
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