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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 2, 2014 11:38:08 GMT -5
not much for politics, but not sure how you can allow the next 2 world cups to occur in russia and qatar.
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Post by soccergator on Sept 2, 2014 11:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Sept 2, 2014 20:50:24 GMT -5
It's MAFIFA
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 5, 2014 8:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by mamampira on Sept 5, 2014 22:14:55 GMT -5
The reality is that we all know that FIFA is corrupt. It has been corrupt from the era of João Havelange when he took office in 1974. And under Sepp Blatter it has become worse, without a doubt. So the idea that FIFA would change a venue because the media is up in arms or because of the issues going on in Russia, etc. is a non-starter. Folks do not understand how FIFA works. Granted, FIFA can be very influential when it comes to politics (for e.g. banning South Africa during apartheid). But at the end of the day, money plays a bigger role. So, I doubt they will change either of Qatar or Russia as hosts. When Germany got the World Cup in 2006, there were some stuff that went down, Australia should have gotten that deal, some envelopes were exchanged..! These things happen. I doubt they will change Qatar, too big of a can of worms that will open up...cause an infestation...crazy.
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Post by touchlinedad on Sept 8, 2014 8:12:05 GMT -5
Even if no changes in the 2018 and 2022 venues occur, we should continue to press for those changes and hold FIFA accountable. I don't know if any of you saw the recent report on the Qatar bid for the World Cup on Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel but it was just shocking. The country clearly bought the World Cup with bribes for votes. And then there's how they treat the workers they import to build all their infrastructure. It really is modern-day slavery. But what I didn't know about was how they create their own teams for international competitions. They basically buy players from other countries and turn them into Qatari athletes since they don't have athletes of their own because it's only a country of 280,000 people and since they are basically all wealthy, they have no incentive to do any of the hard work required to become a world champion. Instead, they've created a soccer academy and recruit players from Africa. It was pathetic.
And there's no way that FIFA can allow the World Cup to be hold in the summer in Qatar. It would be a health risk. And while I know they are talking about changing to a winter schedule, I think that is monumentally stupid as well. The world needs to force FIFA to accept responsibility for its stupid decision and play the 2022 World Cup elsewhere. I think the only way the Qatar venue will change is if enough players say they will refuse to compete due to the insane weather conditions. If players like Ronaldo, Messi, Muller and others lead the way by refusing to play there, I think FIFA would be forced to rethink its decision. And the national federations should support those players if they chose to do that. Another way is that if FIFA's sponsors would put some pressure on to change it. I realize that is unlikely to happen but I still think that soccer fans across the globe should keep the pressure on FIFA.
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Post by mamampira on Sept 10, 2014 20:05:21 GMT -5
I saw the Bryant Gumble documentary and yes, I agree it was shocking - the modern day slavery, from grown women and men to young men and women.
Yes, sponsors can have an influence but they are making so much money from the exposure. And yes, the players can have an influence but the national federations will not back them. What is it the winning teams will make now (they just changed the numbers)...what $30M or $40M for the winning teams?! The Germanys, Italys, and Spains will not haggle to back the players. If Messi and co refuse to play, they have enough players who will not refuse to play. Unfortunately, this is not a political situation and that is the problem. Besides, the players know this kind of stuff goes on every day.
The Only way to change the Qatar venue is to use the health risk factor and that is why they are moving it to the winter, which I agree with you is foolish. Having to change a summer event when leagues have completed play to a winter event and adjust club schedules to accommodate players...the whole of Europe will have to change their play schedules to fit into the new Winter Qatar proposition?! Yes, they will do it. Qatar has lobbied for this event with beaucoup cash over the past several years. Sepp B. will not allow it not to happen. Consider this: the average age of all of the FIFA executives is 50 plus - status quo will remain in charge - change is not going come any time soon.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 22, 2014 9:08:38 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 22, 2014 11:29:48 GMT -5
It would be good to change but makes you wonder if the real reason is the corruption but if they admit to it, it would look bad on them. Personally I dont want to have the world cup in the middle of December but, shouldn't all this have been thought thru before the bid?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 22, 2014 12:04:24 GMT -5
others are reporting that it won't happen, and qatar will keep the cup
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Post by mamampira on Nov 15, 2014 8:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Nov 15, 2014 22:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by jash on Nov 15, 2014 22:24:54 GMT -5
FIFA may be unrecoverable as a credible organization. It would probably take a full housecleaning before many people would even consider trusting them again, and even then you'd have to wonder if the new leadership was clean.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 15, 2014 22:31:34 GMT -5
Yea the only way to recover is move the next 2 cups and clean house.
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Post by rifle on Nov 15, 2014 22:38:24 GMT -5
I'd like to see this gain traction among other regions. Force the issue. |
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Post by mamampira on Nov 16, 2014 11:24:28 GMT -5
Yes. It will be interesting to see what arises out of this threat by UEFA. I wonder though, what it will prove and doubt that UEFA will be able to quit FIFA and leave so much money and influence on the table. The FIFA World Cup is arguably the single biggest event in the world. The tycoons who get involved, big business, multinationals, governments. I imagine UEFA might boycott one tournament, say the 2018, but I don't think they will quit outright. Consider: Germany just received $35 million plus 1 percent of FIFA's 2014 world cup revenue. Argentina received $$$; all participating countries got not less than $2 million. It will be interesting to see the report. I am even more interested to know who were the members of the executive committee who cast the votes in 2010. Looks like it was secret ballots. "22 members of the FIFA Executive Committee were entitled to vote. 12 votes were needed for an absolute majority and therefore to obtain the right to host the FIFA World Cup." See link and text copied below: The FIFA Executive Committee has chosen Russia to host the 2018 FIFA World Cup™, while the 2022 FIFA World Cup™ was awarded to Qatar. FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter announced the result of the FIFA Executive Committee's vote on Thursday 2 December 2010 in Zurich’s Messe. The contenders for the 2018 FIFA World Cup™, other than Russia, were England, a joint bid from Belgiumand the Netherlands, and a joint bid from Spain and Portugal. Meanwhile, for the 2022 FIFA World Cup™, Australia, Japan, Korea Republic and the USA were competing with Qatar. Here are the full results of the voting rounds: 22 members of the FIFA Executive Committee were entitled to vote. 12 votes were needed for an absolute majority and therefore to obtain the right to host the FIFA World Cup. 2018 FIFA World Cup™ Round 1: England 2 votes, Netherlands/Belgium 4 votes, Spain/Portugal 7 votes and Russia 9 votes (as no absolute majority was reached, the candidate with least amount of votes, England, was eliminated) Round 2: Netherlands/Belgium 2 votes, Spain/Portugal 7 votes and Russia 13 votes (Russia obtained an absolute majority) 2022 FIFA World Cup™ Round 1: Australia 1 vote, Japan 3 votes, Korea Republic 4 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 3 votes (Australiaeliminated) Round 2: Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated) Round 3: Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated) Round 4: Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes (Qatar obtained an absolute majority) www.fifa.com/worldcup/russia2018/organisation/media/newsid=1344971/I think one can make calculated guesses and form conclusions on what went down based on the final voting outcome. |
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Post by mamampira on Nov 16, 2014 11:43:41 GMT -5
Yea the only way to recover is move the next 2 cups and clean house. IMO the 2 cups will not move. Particularly Russia. First and foremost, too much money has been spent. FIFA will look guilty. However, as it relates to the geo-political issue concerning Ukraine, UEFA can exert its political influence and use it as a bargaining chip to get a resolution with the threat of boycott. Bargaining = start high and then settle for something reasonable. With Qatar - I don't see them moving again for similar reasons with regard money spent and it will open up a can of worms in terms of bidding process. The truth of the matter is that Qatar and Russia use the same manual that other successful bidders have used. They simply upped the game. For Qatar, they need this in a big way, oil revenue will run out soon and they need other sources of income, sports tourism comes into play. Perhaps individual countries pulling out of each tournament...might be the only way these two events will not host in the two countries. IMO FIFA will not strip them of the WC. |
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