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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 4, 2021 22:10:59 GMT -5
Yes it's a serious question. Of course you play whomever is in front of you but if you are ECNL then play ECNL. It seems like the Concorde premier teams already have their hands full with ECNL and "helping" the SCCL team isn't going to make them better players. Isn't the goal to play equal or better competition? If you are in need of players, pull from the team below players who have played well on the level they are on and who have shown they are ready for the next level not the one who is riding the bench b/c they are the weakest ECNL player. How about player development not make you feel better b/c you are struggling to compete in your actual league. Dang, cool your jets - I've never been a part of a team that pulled a player down from ECNL, I'm just telling you why some teams do it. As for Concorde, I'm not aware of them doing it but wouldn't put it past ANY club to do it. I just know BUSA pulled an 07G ECNL player to play both Concorde & UFA SCCL-C teams this past weekend. |
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Post by wolves97 on May 5, 2021 12:24:49 GMT -5
Or (as is often the case) the SCCL team is playing a tough opponent and knows they need some "help". BUSA did this last weekend against Concorde & UFA - 07 girls. Personally, and I get that it’s legal, I think this reason is BS. I also think this is the main reason. W-L ratio padding |
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Post by mightydawg on May 5, 2021 12:33:58 GMT -5
I am not sure that an ECNL player playing down on a lower team happens very often. I think it is more of an excuse that coaches come up with to explain a loss.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 5, 2021 12:40:28 GMT -5
I am not sure that an ECNL player playing down on a lower team happens very often. I think it is more of an excuse that coaches come up with to explain a loss. Nail>Head |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2021 12:55:14 GMT -5
It likely doesn't happen every often, but come on...you're playing a team of a certain caliber, where 1-2 higher level players can make a HUGE immediate difference. Sometimes it doesn't work out for the team doing it (CF 2021 U15G SCCL Cup team against our team), but IMO its poor sportsmanship. Take a 4th/5th/6th team player if you need the bodies.
Take the Spring GSA U15G SCCL team for instance, when we played them they played 6 ECNL players (they had a full bench of 17-18 players). Since these are "Spring friendlies" they don't really matter, but its still a poor show. At least 3 of them were 9th graders, not gap-year kids.
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Post by mightydawg on May 5, 2021 12:57:52 GMT -5
BUSA did this last weekend against Concorde & UFA - 07 girls.[/quote]
I am sure that you are accurately relaying the information that you received but I doubt that BUSA was bringing an ECNL player down unless they absolutely had to for numbers. For Saturday, Alabama FC played Concorde premier at 3:30 at GSP. Concorde SCCL was playing at BUSA at 1pm eastern. Impossible for a player to play in both games. On Sunday, 8th place BUSA was playing 10th place Norcross. Even if they did, it didn’t work. 2 losses and a tie.
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Post by BubbleDad on May 5, 2021 15:21:18 GMT -5
I am not sure that an ECNL player playing down on a lower team happens very often. I think it is more of an excuse that coaches come up with to explain a loss. Happens more often than you think. Team mgrs see the rosters and can confirm that it's happened a few times ... |
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Post by soccernoleuk on May 5, 2021 15:53:31 GMT -5
If there is no rule preventing ECNL players from playing in SCCL games, it is news to me...and it must also be news to the Concorde SCCL-C coach. When we played them in October, she made a big deal about 3 girls from our team playing with ECNL patches on their jerseys. All 3 had played ECNL last year and were cut this year and offered an SCCL spot. Two of the 3 girls played against them in August when we played in the Concorde Tournament. Additionally all 3 were printed on the official roster presented and not hand written as guest players typically are.
As for whether or not ECNL players should play down, I would only support it if they were returning from a long time off die to injury. Otherwise IMO, rosters should be kept small and deserving players should be brought up from lower teams when additional layers are needed. It's kind of like Varsity vs. JV in High School. I don't think Varsity players should be playing down on JV unless they are coming back from an injury and need some time to get match fit.
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Post by mightydawg on May 5, 2021 16:15:13 GMT -5
I am not sure that an ECNL player playing down on a lower team happens very often. I think it is more of an excuse that coaches come up with to explain a loss. Happens more often than you think. Team mgrs see the rosters and can confirm that it's happened a few times ... How do you know that it is not the other way around? I know of players that are SCCL players that have guest played on the ECNL team due to injury or unavailability and now are listed on the ECNL roster. If your only point of comparison is comparing rosters, it may not be accurate. Do you know of a player that is regular player on an ECNL team playing for an SCCL team? |
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Post by BubbleDad on May 5, 2021 16:58:28 GMT -5
Happens more often than you think. Team mgrs see the rosters and can confirm that it's happened a few times ... How do you know that it is not the other way around? I know of players that are SCCL players that have guest played on the ECNL team due to injury or unavailability and now are listed on the ECNL roster. If your only point of comparison is comparing rosters, it may not be accurate. Do you know of a player that is regular player on an ECNL team playing for an SCCL team? some of these kids go to school together and know that they are playing down. Just face facts and folks have been written onto rosters. I wouldn't post if folks weren't confirming this. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 5, 2021 17:35:31 GMT -5
I’m still waiting for how the last 20 post tie into the parent sideline.
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Post by mightydawg on May 5, 2021 17:39:13 GMT -5
I’m still waiting for how the last 20 post tie into the parent sideline. It goes under things parents bizatch about in the sidelines. We are losing so the other team must be using ECNL players. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on May 5, 2021 20:31:35 GMT -5
I’m still waiting for how the last 20 post tie into the parent sideline. It goes under things parents bizatch about in the sidelines. We are losing so the other team must be using ECNL players. But sometimes they are lol. Maybe those defending it have seen players playing down for legitimate reasons or they were cut and had to, and those annoyed by it know those situations where the club is just trying to get that win at any cost. I've seen a club trying to secure #1 for that automatic bid send 2 or 3 ECNL players to the SCCL team to try and ensure it, and other cases where the girls knew said player was ECNL and there was no question about it being a difference. Of course the bottom line is if there's no rule against it then it will keep happening for various reasons and everyone just has to deal with it. |
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Post by BubbleDad on May 5, 2021 21:27:21 GMT -5
It goes under things parents bizatch about in the sidelines. We are losing so the other team must be using ECNL players. But sometimes they are lol. Maybe those defending it have seen players playing down for legitimate reasons or they were cut and had to, and those annoyed by it know those situations where the club is just trying to get that win at any cost. I've seen a club trying to secure #1 for that automatic bid send 2 or 3 ECNL players to the SCCL team to try and ensure it, and other cases where the girls knew said player was ECNL and there was no question about it being a difference. Of course the bottom line is if there's no rule against it then it will keep happening for various reasons and everyone just has to deal with it. Thanks for summing it up. The Concorde parents are defending it so their premier players have more of a chance of winning games. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 6, 2021 7:28:57 GMT -5
Contrary to the opinions above, I have seen multiple occasions at multiple clubs pulling down of ecnl players to help SCCL and even SCCL players being pulled down to help premier 1. Personally seen this from UFA, Atlanta Fire, Tophat and Concorde Fire
I have also seen these same clubs pull down players for tournaments.
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