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Post by georgiatechalum on May 15, 2021 22:41:01 GMT -5
What’s going on with UFA -Boys ( except for U14) are all middle of the pack from a ECNL standings perspective? Not trying being critical, just wondering.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 16, 2021 0:42:03 GMT -5
Going on like what? I'm not very familiar with the teams so I checked the standings to see why UFA stood out to you. I think they're pretty even with other clubs overall. The better question is how does AFU keep ECNL when theyre almost the worst team in every age group except for one
U13
1.GSA
2.CF Platinum
4.NTH
5.UFA
8.CF
9.AFU
U14
1.GSA
2.UFA
3.NTH
8.CF Platinum
9.CF
10.AFU
U15
2.CF Platinum
3.NTH
4.GSA
5.UFA
6.CF
11.AFU
U16
2.CF Platinun
3.NTH
5.UFA
6.GSA
7.AFU
8.CF
U17
1.NTH
2.AFU
3.GSA
4.UFA
5.CF Platinum
8.CF
U18/19
3.GSA
4.NTH
5.UFA
6.CF Platinum
9.CF
10.AFU
Qualified for Playoffs
UFA 4
GSA 4
CF Platinum 4
NTH 4
AFU 1
CF 0
And isn't AUFC going to be removed from standings? That will bring some of these teams up a place and more local teams qualify
Edited to add NASA...they have no logo so I didnt notice them
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Post by rifle on May 16, 2021 6:41:50 GMT -5
No disrespect to any team or club who are all trying to do good work under the organization that exists - but this is why more respected soccer nations don’t organize their competitive sport by executive fiat.
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Post by soccerspin on May 16, 2021 10:44:03 GMT -5
I think the original post was specific to boys but the response I think is for girls...? (I didn’t look up the rankings but I also don’t see NASA anywhere thus wondered)
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Post by justhavefun on May 16, 2021 12:19:20 GMT -5
I think her response does reference the boy, but you are correct she does not list NASA. Maybe because NASA is ahead of UFA in all 6 age groups (U13-U19) except for U14?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 16, 2021 13:08:49 GMT -5
I think her response does reference the boy, but you are correct she does not list NASA. Maybe because NASA is ahead of UFA in all 6 age groups (U13-U19) except for U14? Haha...actually thats my bad i completely forgot that NASA was even in ECNL, and didn't notice their logo (it is different). As i said in my post I'm not familiar with it. I will edit my list and add them, thanks for bringing it to my attention |
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Post by justwatching on May 17, 2021 9:25:12 GMT -5
Going on like what? I'm not very familiar with the teams so I checked the standings to see why UFA stood out to you. I think they're pretty even with other clubs overall. The better question is how does AFU keep ECNL when theyre almost the worst team in every age group except for one U13 1.GSA 2.CF Platinum 4.NTH 5.UFA 8.CF 9.AFU U14 1.GSA 2.UFA 3.NTH 8.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU U15 2.CF Platinum 3.NTH 4.GSA 5.UFA 6.CF 11.AFU U16 2.CF Platinun 3.NTH 5.UFA 6.GSA 7.AFU 8.CF U17 1.NTH 2.AFU 3.GSA 4.UFA 5.CF Platinum 8.CF U18/19 3.GSA 4.NTH 5.UFA 6.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU Qualified for Playoffs UFA 4 GSA 4 CF Platinum 4 NTH 4 AFU 1 CF 0 And isn't AUFC going to be removed from standings? That will bring some of these teams up a place and more local teams qualify Edited to add NASA...they have no logo so I didnt notice them If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings? |
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Post by diamondmid on May 17, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -5
Going on like what? I'm not very familiar with the teams so I checked the standings to see why UFA stood out to you. I think they're pretty even with other clubs overall. The better question is how does AFU keep ECNL when theyre almost the worst team in every age group except for one U13 1.GSA 2.CF Platinum 4.NTH 5.UFA 8.CF 9.AFU U14 1.GSA 2.UFA 3.NTH 8.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU U15 2.CF Platinum 3.NTH 4.GSA 5.UFA 6.CF 11.AFU U16 2.CF Platinun 3.NTH 5.UFA 6.GSA 7.AFU 8.CF U17 1.NTH 2.AFU 3.GSA 4.UFA 5.CF Platinum 8.CF U18/19 3.GSA 4.NTH 5.UFA 6.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU Qualified for Playoffs UFA 4 GSA 4 CF Platinum 4 NTH 4 AFU 1 CF 0 And isn't AUFC going to be removed from standings? That will bring some of these teams up a place and more local teams qualify Edited to add NASA...they have no logo so I didnt notice them If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings? Well AFU finished below the CF 2nd in all but 2 age groups. Also - CF 2nd team U15s qualified for playoffs with a wildcard spot. |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 17, 2021 17:05:25 GMT -5
Going on like what? I'm not very familiar with the teams so I checked the standings to see why UFA stood out to you. I think they're pretty even with other clubs overall. The better question is how does AFU keep ECNL when theyre almost the worst team in every age group except for one U13 1.GSA 2.CF Platinum 4.NTH 5.UFA 8.CF 9.AFU U14 1.GSA 2.UFA 3.NTH 8.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU U15 2.CF Platinum 3.NTH 4.GSA 5.UFA 6.CF 11.AFU U16 2.CF Platinun 3.NTH 5.UFA 6.GSA 7.AFU 8.CF U17 1.NTH 2.AFU 3.GSA 4.UFA 5.CF Platinum 8.CF U18/19 3.GSA 4.NTH 5.UFA 6.CF Platinum 9.CF 10.AFU Qualified for Playoffs UFA 4 GSA 4 CF Platinum 4 NTH 4 AFU 1 CF 0 And isn't AUFC going to be removed from standings? That will bring some of these teams up a place and more local teams qualify Edited to add NASA...they have no logo so I didnt notice them If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings? Wasnt that their gift for sticking it to DA? |
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Post by justwatching on May 18, 2021 7:36:31 GMT -5
If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings? Well AFU finished below the CF 2nd in all but 2 age groups. Also - CF 2nd team U15s qualified for playoffs with a wildcard spot. Well if their measuring stick is AFU ok they are doing well  The U15s qualified as the 6th place team in the conference? How does that happen? I don't follow the boys that much. How many teams make the playoffs for ECNL? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 18, 2021 7:58:06 GMT -5
Age Groups: U15, U16, U17
64 total teams qualify
56 automatic qualifiers based on PPG from Conference matches only
8 Wildcards based on PPG from both Conference matches and National Event matches
Conference Automatic Qualification
Northeast Top 4 - Each Division (8 total)
Mid-Atlantic Top 4 - Carolinas, Top 3 - VA (7 total)
Southeast Top 5 in Conference
Florida Top 4 in Conference
Midwest Top 3 - Each Division (6 total)
Texas Top 3 - Each Division + Best overall 4th Place (7 total)
Mountain Top 3 in Conference
Southwest Top 8 in Conference
Northwest Top 4 in Conference
Northern Cal Top 4 in Conference
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Post by justwatching on May 18, 2021 8:10:19 GMT -5
Wow that's a lot of teams to qualify.
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Post by bogan on May 18, 2021 8:29:44 GMT -5
Wow that's a lot of teams to qualify. If your team is good, will take up a lot of your summer. |
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Post by diamondmid on May 18, 2021 9:24:19 GMT -5
Well AFU finished below the CF 2nd in all but 2 age groups. Also - CF 2nd team U15s qualified for playoffs with a wildcard spot. Well if their measuring stick is AFU ok they are doing well The U15s qualified as the 6th place team in the conference? How does that happen? I don't follow the boys that much. How many teams make the playoffs for ECNL? That was your measuring stick- “ If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings?”. I would say a club’s “2nd” team finishing above 1st teams seems like a decent result. And they qualified for playoffs due to ppg record that got them the wildcard out of all conferences and even better than some conferences automatic qualification. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 18, 2021 9:31:47 GMT -5
UFAs boys will be fine, quality coaching from top to bottom.
A few teams had players leave when DA was dropped, the club was pulling kids from a wider area when it had DA, and was more of a destination club when it was one of three older teams with DA. There style of play and coaching will always and continue to attract players.
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Post by justwatching on May 18, 2021 9:38:33 GMT -5
Well if their measuring stick is AFU ok they are doing well The U15s qualified as the 6th place team in the conference? How does that happen? I don't follow the boys that much. How many teams make the playoffs for ECNL? That was your measuring stick- “ If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings?”. I would say a club’s “2nd” team finishing above 1st teams seems like a decent result. And they qualified for playoffs due to ppg record that got them the wildcard out of all conferences and even better than some conferences automatic qualification. Thanks for deciphering what my measurement system was. You are right if you think AFU's results are bad you would be hard pressed to not think Concorde Premier's results are bad. I just think that hurts a league credibility to have a second team that is pretty low across the board but you are right they aren't the worst in the conference so maybe they are fine. |
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Post by Brinker on May 18, 2021 17:12:06 GMT -5
That was your measuring stick- “ If we are being that critical of AFU what about Concorde having two ECNL teams based on these standings?”. I would say a club’s “2nd” team finishing above 1st teams seems like a decent result. And they qualified for playoffs due to ppg record that got them the wildcard out of all conferences and even better than some conferences automatic qualification. Thanks for deciphering what my measurement system was. You are right if you think AFU's results are bad you would be hard pressed to not think Concorde Premier's results are bad. I just think that hurts a league credibility to have a second team that is pretty low across the board but you are right they aren't the worst in the conference so maybe they are fine. Why does CF have 2 ECNL teams? Would it be better to give ECNL to SSA, Lanier or AFC Lightning? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 18, 2021 18:15:31 GMT -5
Thanks for deciphering what my measurement system was. You are right if you think AFU's results are bad you would be hard pressed to not think Concorde Premier's results are bad. I just think that hurts a league credibility to have a second team that is pretty low across the board but you are right they aren't the worst in the conference so maybe they are fine. Why does CF have 2 ECNL teams? Would it be better to give ECNL to SSA, Lanier or AFC Lightning? That was deal it made to leave DA. In answer to your other question, no. |
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Post by Brinker on May 18, 2021 18:25:57 GMT -5
Why does CF have 2 ECNL teams? Would it be better to give ECNL to SSA, Lanier or AFC Lightning? That was deal it made to leave DA. In answer to your other question, no. I don’t understand what you mean by “deal it made to leave DA.” USSDA closed its doors and went out of business, nobody left it voluntarily. As for your second comment, I would genuinely be interested to know why you feel a weak second CF team is better than giving an ECNL team to SSA for example. Wouldn’t that make ECNL better? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 18, 2021 18:47:21 GMT -5
That was deal it made to leave DA. In answer to your other question, no. I don’t understand what you mean by “deal it made to leave DA.” USSDA closed its doors and went out of business, nobody left it voluntarily. As for your second comment, I would genuinely be interested to know why you feel a very weak second CF team is better than giving an ECNL team to SSA for example. Wouldn’t that make ECNL better? CF left DA on the girls side before it folded in order to get two DA teams. Concorde boys had an ECNL team and when DA folded, it got its former DA team into ECNL. Same way that UFA go into ECNL. SSA for whatever reason went the MLS Next and GA route. The current CF 2nd teams that you are disparaging are SSA. AFC lightning has not been able to compete with the big boys for years. LSA has proven it can’t hang with the big boys either. What are you seeing from any of these clubs that they have earned their way in? |
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Post by flix on May 18, 2021 19:30:58 GMT -5
Concorde shouldn’t have two teams. The second team is not competitive but hey the club gets to pickets tens of thousands from sucker parents to be able to say my kid plays at Concorde on a “top team”. I’m speaking about boys as I don’t pay attention to girls.
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Post by Brinker on May 18, 2021 19:56:40 GMT -5
I don’t understand what you mean by “deal it made to leave DA.” USSDA closed its doors and went out of business, nobody left it voluntarily. As for your second comment, I would genuinely be interested to know why you feel a very weak second CF team is better than giving an ECNL team to SSA for example. Wouldn’t that make ECNL better? CF left DA on the girls side before it folded in order to get two DA teams. Concorde boys had an ECNL team and when DA folded, it got its former DA team into ECNL. Same way that UFA go into ECNL. SSA for whatever reason went the MLS Next and GA route. The current CF 2nd teams that you are disparaging are SSA. AFC lightning has not been able to compete with the big boys for years. LSA has proven it can’t hang with the big boys either. What are you seeing from any of these clubs that they have earned their way in? Thanks for that perspective. I was more focused on boys ECNL when discussing the end of DA. I have seen all these teams play and I would say SSA, LSA, and maybe even AFC would beat the second CF teams at the 06, 07, 08 ages ... that is why I think ECNL would be better off with only one CF team (their first teams are generally good). |
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Post by Keeper on May 18, 2021 22:25:12 GMT -5
Concorde shouldn’t have two teams. The second team is not competitive but hey the club gets to pickets tens of thousands from sucker parents to be able to say my kid plays at Concorde on a “top team”. I’m speaking about boys as I don’t pay attention to girls. Define “not competitive” because last time I checked only one of the Premier teams was in last place. I hate Concorde as much as most but they played the game right and got the spots. And they compete. Now add in them taking over Red Star and I’m sure they’ll be plenty of players in that pool playing ECNL in the Concorde black and whites. |
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Post by flix on May 19, 2021 5:21:46 GMT -5
Concorde shouldn’t have two teams. The second team is not competitive but hey the club gets to pickets tens of thousands from sucker parents to be able to say my kid plays at Concorde on a “top team”. I’m speaking about boys as I don’t pay attention to girls. Define “not competitive” because last time I checked only one of the Premier teams was in last place. I hate Concorde as much as most but they played the game right and got the spots. And they compete. Now add in them taking over Red Star and I’m sure they’ll be plenty of players in that pool playing ECNL in the Concorde black and whites. I don’t think you were on the debate team. So your belief is that if you are not in LAST place then you are competitive? Is this how far the mighty Concorde Fire has fallen? Comparing themselves with AFU and believing if we aren’t in last place we are good? Concorde decides to take over Red Star and you are sure they’ll be plenty of players in that pool playing ECNL for Concorde black and whites...... well that second team may well end up in last place and not 8th next season. U13 prem (-23) U14 prem (-23) U15 prem did well at 6th place (-4) U16 prem 8th place (-4) U17 prem 8th place (-8) U19 prem 8th place (-5) After u15 CF prem appears to get better in that they aren’t getting blown out on GD as the u13’s/14’s are, however, they are near the bottom of the table in almost every age group, hence my opinion that they are not competitive. I think you can infer what competitive means after looking at the numbers.Why don’t they focus on developing the players already at their club instead of expanding? Oh more $$$$$. |
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Post by justwatching on May 19, 2021 8:10:30 GMT -5
I don’t understand what you mean by “deal it made to leave DA.” USSDA closed its doors and went out of business, nobody left it voluntarily. As for your second comment, I would genuinely be interested to know why you feel a very weak second CF team is better than giving an ECNL team to SSA for example. Wouldn’t that make ECNL better? CF left DA on the girls side before it folded in order to get two DA teams. Concorde boys had an ECNL team and when DA folded, it got its former DA team into ECNL. Same way that UFA go into ECNL. SSA for whatever reason went the MLS Next and GA route. The current CF 2nd teams that you are disparaging are SSA. AFC lightning has not been able to compete with the big boys for years. LSA has proven it can’t hang with the big boys either. What are you seeing from any of these clubs that they have earned their way in? I think you are mixing girls in this conversation. People are talking about the boys program. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 19, 2021 8:39:31 GMT -5
The question was how did Concorde get two ECNL teams. Step 1 was leaving DA girls for 2 ECNL teams and showing ECNL that it was committed to it. Step 2 was having both DA and ECNL for boys—support for up start boys ECNL. Step 3 was when DA folded (as many people thought it would when it was divided into MLS DA and the have nots), Concorde got its DA team into ECNL. And poof, Concorde has two ECNL teams.
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Post by flix on May 19, 2021 8:49:26 GMT -5
The question was how did Concorde get two ECNL teams. Step 1 was leaving DA girls for 2 ECNL teams and showing ECNL that it was committed to it. Step 2 was having both DA and ECNL for boys—support for up start boys ECNL. Step 3 was when DA folded (as many people thought it would when it was divided into MLS DA and the have nots), Concorde got its DA team into ECNL. And poof, Concorde has two ECNL teams. That makes sense the way you have explained it. I have not taken the time to see if these results were a one off due to the pandemic or whether or not these results were similar in the previous season also post DA. I still believe the reason you have two teams in the same age group is you are so stacked that you can our two quality teams together and compete. Concorde’s platinum team is usually a top team, I would expect the premier team to be mid table at least. Otherwise, why not give that spot to another club? |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 19, 2021 10:05:01 GMT -5
The question was how did Concorde get two ECNL teams. Step 1 was leaving DA girls for 2 ECNL teams and showing ECNL that it was committed to it. Step 2 was having both DA and ECNL for boys—support for up start boys ECNL. Step 3 was when DA folded (as many people thought it would when it was divided into MLS DA and the have nots), Concorde got its DA team into ECNL. And poof, Concorde has two ECNL teams. As I understood it on the BOYS side, the two Concorde teams (Concorde Platinum and Concorde Premier ) were granted to accommodate the merger with SSA. One team represents a spot for SSA and one team the original Concorde spot. Is that wrong? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 19, 2021 10:31:41 GMT -5
The question was how did Concorde get two ECNL teams. Step 1 was leaving DA girls for 2 ECNL teams and showing ECNL that it was committed to it. Step 2 was having both DA and ECNL for boys—support for up start boys ECNL. Step 3 was when DA folded (as many people thought it would when it was divided into MLS DA and the have nots), Concorde got its DA team into ECNL. And poof, Concorde has two ECNL teams. As I understood it on the BOYS side, the two Concorde teams (Concorde Platinum and Concorde Premier ) were granted to accommodate the merger with SSA. One team represents a spot for SSA and one team the original Concorde spot. Is that wrong? I'm sure that was part of the justification originally. I've said it before, I don't think any club should have 2 teams unless they are out of different independent locations -- the SSA example does make sense. SSA collaboration is no more though. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 19, 2021 10:50:15 GMT -5
Define “not competitive” because last time I checked only one of the Premier teams was in last place. I hate Concorde as much as most but they played the game right and got the spots. And they compete. Now add in them taking over Red Star and I’m sure they’ll be plenty of players in that pool playing ECNL in the Concorde black and whites. I don’t think you were on the debate team. So your belief is that if you are not in LAST place then you are competitive? Is this how far the mighty Concorde Fire has fallen? Comparing themselves with AFU and believing if we aren’t in last place we are good? Concorde decides to take over Red Star and you are sure they’ll be plenty of players in that pool playing ECNL for Concorde black and whites...... well that second team may well end up in last place and not 8th next season. U13 prem (-23) U14 prem (-23) U15 prem did well at 6th place (-4) U16 prem 8th place (-4) U17 prem 8th place (-8) U19 prem 8th place (-5) After u15 CF prem appears to get better in that they aren’t getting blown out on GD as the u13’s/14’s are, however, they are near the bottom of the table in almost every age group, hence my opinion that they are not competitive. I think you can infer what competitive means after looking at the numbers.Why don’t they focus on developing the players already at their club instead of expanding? Oh more $$$$$. The problem with looking at goal differential is that it does not show if the games were competitive or not. I could have a really good team but have an inability to score and lose every game 1-0 or 2-1. If I play 20 games, at the end of the season, I have a -20 goal differential even though every game was competitive. Likewise, goal differential could be skewed with 1 or 2 bad games against a top team where I get blown out for what ever reason. If you really want to see if a team is competitive, you would have to look to see how many games were decided by 2 or less goals. There were many people on here that described NTH losing to Atlanta United in the Unite Cup by 2 goals as a competitive game. Teams can lose and lose regularly but be competitive. |
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