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Post by bogan on Jun 14, 2021 12:48:44 GMT -5
Yeah-that’s why they are afraid of a woman’s soccer team-better attendance than the football program. Hey now both of you! As a Georgia Tech alumnus (To Hell with Georgia by the way...), we pull in at least 20k-25k season ticket holders me being one of them, and for a school where most alumni live outside the state and only have about half the students as the cesspool in Athens, that is a pretty good number. I'm gonna be honest I don't think Tech wants a lot of the sidewalk fan types that uGAg gets. All you got to do to be a Mutt fan is go to walmart and then put a 2nd mortgage on the double wide to afford tickets... I used the shirts from walmart as for toilet paper when it was scarce during the pandemic!  All kidding aside, I have wanted them to add Men's soccer to GT for a while. I know they would have to add Women's too to make it a net 0, but GTAA's financials just aren't good enough right now to be able to put the money toward starting up 2 new programs. Maybe when our football team takes off with this new coach and revenue gets better with all the new clubs and lounges they are going to eventually put in the stadium they will have the funds to do so. I would assume soccer is probably the next on the list if they were to add a sport. Sorry-just spent the weekend with my in-laws…all techies…couldn’t resist. Go Dogs! |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 14, 2021 13:00:53 GMT -5
Yeah-that’s why they are afraid of a woman’s soccer team-better attendance than the football program. Hey now both of you! As a Georgia Tech alumnus (To Hell with Georgia by the way...), we pull in at least 20k-25k season ticket holders me being one of them, and for a school where most alumni live outside the state and only have about half the students as the cesspool in Athens, that is a pretty good number. I'm gonna be honest I don't think Tech wants a lot of the sidewalk fan types that uGAg gets. All you got to do to be a Mutt fan is go to walmart and buy a red shirt. They got plenty there, and then put a 2nd mortgage on the double wide to afford tickets... I used the shirts from walmart as toilet paper when it was scarce during the pandemic! All kidding aside, I have wanted them to add Men's soccer to GT for a while. I know they would have to add Women's too to make it a net 0, but GTAA's financials just aren't good enough right now to be able to put the money toward starting up 2 new programs. Maybe when our football team takes off with this new coach and revenue gets better with all the new clubs and lounges they are going to eventually put in the stadium they will have the funds to do so. I would assume soccer is probably the next on the list if they were to add a sport. I guess those out of state alumni don't know how to write checks. GT has been in a financial hole since at least the Paul Hewitt life time contract. Maybe the North Avenue Trade School could use more of those sidewalk fans so that it could fill up its stadium. Only time that place has been full is when Atlanta United, Georgia, Clemson or Virginia Tech is playing there. Tech is not adding soccer-men or women. They have no reason to. It will not be a revenue generating sport and schools do not add non-revenue generating sports unless they are required to in order to comply with title IX. Rather, most colleges are looking for ways to cut non-revenue generating sports. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 14, 2021 13:10:25 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. |
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Post by SoccerFirst on Jun 14, 2021 13:26:24 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. Yea, but what did these universities rake in from their conference network tv contracts… it’s not that there isn’t enough money, it’s that they’d have to take it from something else and put it towards soccer. I’m with the earlier posts, GT is missing the BIG ACC soccer opportunity that they can thank UNC, Duke, UVA and the rest for building. I’d love to watch a game closer than Clemson. I’ve taken my club teams to Clemson, Furman, Wofford and UGA. and what is UGA soccer spending so much money on goodness (travel?), looks like they need some more summer camps ; ) www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31484061/acc-distributed-record-4972-million-2019-20-financial-year-increase-42-million%3fplatform=amp |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 14, 2021 13:29:05 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. You stated Football is the only positive cash flow... I don't see Men's basketball listed?? I see women's Bball is the largest negative at -$4 million, but what about the Men? |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 14, 2021 13:31:04 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. You stated Football is the only positive cash flow... I don't see Men's basketball listed?? I see women's Bball is the largest negative at -$4 million, but what about the Men? Follow the link, it has men's basketball slightly in the negatives but did not give an exact figure. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 14, 2021 13:31:50 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. Just for curiosity's sake, does anyone know what the deal is with TV rights or streaming rights? It would seem that SOME revenue could be made by TV. I watch a lot of college soccer on TV or the ESPN app. Even if you are not paying directly for it there are ads and you paid for the service. Just wondering if anyone knows how that works financially...do they just wrap it into the ACC or SEC broadcast rights? |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 14, 2021 13:35:07 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. Yea, but what did these universities rake in from their conference network tv contracts… it’s not that there isn’t enough money, it’s that they’d have to take it from something else and put it towards soccer. I’m with the earlier posts, GT is missing the BIG ACC soccer opportunity that they can thank UNC, Duke, UVA and the rest for building. I’d love to watch a game closer than Clemson. I’ve taken my club teams to Clemson, Furman, Wofford and UGA. and what is UGA soccer spending so much money on goodness (travel?), looks like they need some more summer camps ; ) www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31484061/acc-distributed-record-4972-million-2019-20-financial-year-increase-42-million%3fplatform=ampThe TV contract numbers are included in the revenue for football and basketball, with most of it going to football. It is the only reason that Tech is in the positives for football. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 14, 2021 13:53:03 GMT -5
yea, I'm assuming even if women's soccer pulled in 1 million viewers on ACC network (exaggeration) for a every womens soccer game, the bulk payout wouldn't ever attributed to women's soccer.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 14, 2021 14:21:47 GMT -5
Yeah-that’s why they are afraid of a woman’s soccer team-better attendance than the football program. Hey now both of you! As a Georgia Tech alumnus (To Hell with Georgia by the way...), we pull in at least 20k-25k season ticket holders me being one of them, and for a school where most alumni live outside the state and only have about half the students as the cesspool in Athens, that is a pretty good number. I'm gonna be honest I don't think Tech wants a lot of the sidewalk fan types that uGAg gets. All you got to do to be a Mutt fan is go to walmart and buy a red shirt. They got plenty there, and then put a 2nd mortgage on the double wide to afford tickets... I used the shirts from walmart as toilet paper when it was scarce during the pandemic! . Greatest and smartest thing ever said on this board 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 |
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Post by bogan on Jun 14, 2021 14:44:24 GMT -5
Hey now both of you! As a Georgia Tech alumnus (To Hell with Georgia by the way...), we pull in at least 20k-25k season ticket holders me being one of them, and for a school where most alumni live outside the state and only have about half the students as the cesspool in Athens, that is a pretty good number. I'm gonna be honest I don't think Tech wants a lot of the sidewalk fan types that uGAg gets. All you got to do to be a Mutt fan is go to walmart and buy a red shirt. They got plenty there, and then put a 2nd mortgage on the double wide to afford tickets... I used the shirts from walmart as toilet paper when it was scarce during the pandemic! . Greatest and smartest thing ever said on this board 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Maybe the most elitist…far from the greatest. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 14, 2021 14:46:40 GMT -5
yea, I'm assuming even if women's soccer pulled in 1 million viewers on ACC network (exaggeration) for a every womens soccer game, the bulk payout wouldn't ever attributed to women's soccer. Agreed that it is an exaggeration as it is probably a few thousand viewers per game but it is not really fair for that to be attributed to football or men's basketball not is it fair for softball or women's basketball to be attributed to men's sports either. At least add it to their revenue to make it a fair representation of what they "earn". I also think these schools are missing an opportunity for t shirt sales and sweatshirt sales as it is hard at many schools to get a "____ university women's soccer" shirt. We looked all over at a couple of schools we visited as well as online. Nothing to be found... |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 14, 2021 15:03:04 GMT -5
The stats for Georgia Tech sports are even more stunning that I realized: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/georgia-institute-of-technology-main-campus/student-life/sports/1. Baseball -$1.946 million 2. Women's basketball -$4 million 3. Men's golf -$1.2 million 4. Softball -$1.1 million 5. Men's swimming and diving -$875K 6. Women's swimming and diving -$815K 7. Men's tennis -$633K 8. Women's tennis -$779K 9. Men's track and field -$983K 10. Women's track and field -$1.1 million 11. Volleyball -$1.475 million Football is the only sport that has positive cash flow of $12.8 million. Other than hopes and dreams, how does anyone see soccer being added? For comparison purposes, UGA brought in $85,459 in revenue from its women’s soccer program while paying out $1,524,032 in expenses. The program lost -$1,438,573. GT Soccer (Men's and Women's) can be added the same way every other ACC school finances sports... by alumni writing checks and earmarking those dollars to areas of interest! Conference TV Rights deals are based upon projected viewership... those projections are based solely upon level of interest from primarily (alumni). When it comes to collegiate sports a school has to look at all sources of revenue, including admissions, as growth areas. It's a long-term revenue cycle and sports is a vital complement, that the math experts at Tech don't have the vision to understand. Fact is, if Tech doesn't attract more females to it's admissions office, there won't be much of an athletic department to speak of. If the ladies aren't interested, nobody interested! Only campuses that business model works are military academies. |
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 16, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -5
Yeah-that’s why they are afraid of a woman’s soccer team-better attendance than the football program. Hey now both of you! As a Georgia Tech alumnus (To Hell with Georgia by the way...), we pull in at least 20k-25k season ticket holders me being one of them, and for a school where most alumni live outside the state and only have about half the students as the cesspool in Athens, that is a pretty good number. I'm gonna be honest I don't think Tech wants a lot of the sidewalk fan types that uGAg gets. All you got to do to be a Mutt fan is go to walmart and buy a red shirt. They got plenty there, and then put a 2nd mortgage on the double wide to afford tickets... I used the shirts from walmart as toilet paper when it was scarce during the pandemic! All kidding aside, I have wanted them to add Men's soccer to GT for a while. I know they would have to add Women's too to make it a net 0, but GTAA's financials just aren't good enough right now to be able to put the money toward starting up 2 new programs. Maybe when our football team takes off with this new coach and revenue gets better with all the new clubs and lounges they are going to eventually put in the stadium they will have the funds to do so. I would assume soccer is probably the next on the list if they were to add a sport. Alum here too- go Jackets! THWG! I believe women’s golf is next up on the list of new programs. But I too have wished for years that Tech would start a women’s soccer program. |
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Post by rudy on Jun 16, 2021 18:19:18 GMT -5
Go Tech! I would say we know who wins the academic bowl!
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 16, 2021 19:31:06 GMT -5
Tracking TV revenue is not easy as most conferences handle it their own way. I believe the ACC has an all inclusive deal with ESPN. This means one contract for all sports from football to soccer to baseball to softball to volleyball, etc. Evan the ACC Network is owned by ESPN, and the schools only get a portion of the revenue. So, where does TV revenue figure into these numbers? I don't know if anyone has a concrete answer for that.
To make matters worse, or better depending on the school, all ACC TV revenue goes to the conference office and is then distributed evenly across all schools. I'm not 100% positive how Notre Dame fits in, but even they get a percentage of the revenue. On top of it, the ACC Home Office gets an equal share of the TV revenue. So, not including Norte Dame, there are 15 member schools but the revenue is divided evenly and split 16 ways. This is great for schools like Pitt, Syracuse, BC, etc., but is terrible for schools like Clemson, FSU, and even Miami. From what I recall, during the last contract negotiation, ACC TV revenue was stated to be 80% driven by football. So, as good as the NC schools are at drawing basketball viewers, the money still doesn't compare to football.
As for other conferences, some might also bundle everything together while others might break things apart. I know the PAC-12 used to bundle football and basketball, but sell off rights to the "Olympic Sports" separately.
I think the bottom line, as mentioned above, is if GT wants women's soccer they will need alumni to write some checks.
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