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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 6, 2021 13:03:56 GMT -5
It really is very simple, coaches shouldn’t make an offer unless it is final and parents/players shouldn’t accept an offer unless it is final. To do otherwise shows a lack of character. If a coach offers a kid, the kid who accepts bypasses other opportunities or potential opportunities to accept. If the coach then pulls that offer, he/she displays a lack of character and the player is done real harm. If a player accepts a place on a team, the coach relies on that acceptance and tells other hopefuls no. If the parent/player then backs out, he/she displays a lack of character and the coach/club/other players are done real harm. End of the day, honesty and integrity are the only things in play here. It’s like the chicken or the egg, which came first? Your attempting to inject reasonable thought into a flawed process. I think we all want integrity but one action is a by product of the other. Until that email to formally register is sent history has shown verbal acceptance is just that in the eyes of coaches and player. I believe the system was created by the greed of clubs and coaches but there’s no question parents and top players have beaten them at their own game. Talent always drives the bus, everything else is a trickle down effect. |
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Post by papacoach on Jun 6, 2021 14:28:12 GMT -5
Majority to all coaches that have done their due diligence should know how to pronounce players name beyond John, Jim, Bobby, Dhruv, Ishaan, Shaurya, Iman, Maximo, or Thiago as examples.. High school coaches, Elon, UNCW, Mercer, and other college coaches had no problem pronouncing player X name correctly when reaching out or in person. I understand if u are having trouble missing the point but don’t take It personnel, not everyone goes by John Smith on the pitch. Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder You're saying it was UFA's loss (that's the club you mentioned) for not getting your kid simply because they didnt pronounce your kid's name correctly and you rudely hung up the phone. You were so offended that you went back the next year and tried out again. I bet you didnt get the offer you wanted and the mispronouncing of name was just an excuse. Had it been the top team you simply would have taught them how to say it You have every right to decline an offer for any reason you want, but if something like your name being mispronounced bothers you that much I feel sorry for you. Btw everyone mispronounces my name too, I don't care, If I develop a relationship with them, then I tell them how to say it correctly. How about embrace it instead that it will be a memorable name? Yes not everyone is a John Smith, however you named your kid not them. Glad those college coaches were able to say your kids name on the first try, wish him/her good luck in the future. Success is predictable if preparation, effort and execution is involved.. As you mentioned, declining and acceptance comes about from multiple reasons.. aren’t coaches choosing players to fill rosters for varies individual reasons too? 🤔 hmm.. One players accept cause the team is close to their house, another declines due to quality of play being taught or prior year’s downward spiral.. one accept cause he like the coach and another declines cause they don’t.. .. reasons and option for all just like coaches filling in rosters for varies reasons Dont feel sorry..makes you seem weak and lacking self control.. your feelings and tears means nothing to our success.. UFA is just another soccer club looking to make a buck .. you, me or ten others waiting in line to sign up.. the club probably called the next kid on the list and the team (s) went on w/o skipping a beat.. I know we did and got the the tshirts, hotel receipts and medals to prove it 🥳. Us staying and playing through the ignorance.. possible, but then again, why would we if being a starter with perks came with disrespect in addressing the child ? |
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 6, 2021 14:48:50 GMT -5
We did that one year. Coach of 2nd choice made an offer that was good for the phone call only. Couldn't wait until end of day. Ok, sure, I'll 'take' your offer. 1st choice offer came through later the same day. Accepted, immediately called first coach and reneged. Is the club going to sue me? Screw them. No respect for that coach or club. I don’t do high pressure make a decision on this phone call. In the old days you were supposed to be given 72 hours from the offer. Exactly. As a sales professional myself, the manipulation tactics make my head explode. So unnecessary. It's easy to be unethical and have a good quarter or year. Very hard to do so and have a successful career. Just have some integrity and good things happen. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2021 15:57:04 GMT -5
Guess my kid is one of the kids we are talking about. Kid got an offer from old team but a day later she got an offer from another club but with the guarantee to practice and play some with higher level team and travel for tournaments was a much better opportunity to help her get to college. So you can talk bad about us but she is doing what is right for her just like coaches do best for them I know who they're talking about and i doubt its your kid...is your kid a goalkeeper? If so then no its not your kid. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2021 16:00:48 GMT -5
You nailed it. Thanks. Imagine if US national team coaches called to invite his/her kid to national camp but somehow the coach mispronounced the kid name. I wonder what he/she will do. Hang up? or teach them how to pronounce the kid's name properly? No chip or hard feelings for UFA at all.. I simply used them as an example but read into it as you see fit .. years ago, it was their loss and our gains elsewhere since additional offers were on the table being weighed and measured.. I have a feeling, UFA coaching staff hears Yes and NOs after tryouts all the times like all other clubs do.. IF we dug through a dusty box in the attic, I can probably find a medal or 2 won against an UFA team over the past years.. can you? I read your story and I'm very familiar with both those coaches. I'll relay your story to them and see if they remember your kid.... If you ever stuck around for any tryout they tell you that they're just calling you to get a yes or a no. They can't have 30 minute conversations with every parent, because there is another kid anxiously waiting for their call |
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Jun 6, 2021 16:49:01 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with rejecting an offer after tryouts. Even if the player gave a verbal commitment to the coach at tryouts that’s still not acceptable until the parent gets all the details and says yes. Tryouts are meant for players to go around and find the best fit for them. Not for coaches and clubs to find the players to fit them. If only this was true! But it seems now- teams are filled within first 24-48 hours of tryouts so there really is no “tryout” at other clubs and make best decision. It’s commit or else. There’s no loyalty by club, coach or parent..no one trusts the other and for good reason. The culture of soccer is rotten. But we all still play the game and sign the check. |
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Post by papacoach on Jun 7, 2021 14:39:49 GMT -5
No chip or hard feelings for UFA at all.. I simply used them as an example but read into it as you see fit .. years ago, it was their loss and our gains elsewhere since additional offers were on the table being weighed and measured.. I have a feeling, UFA coaching staff hears Yes and NOs after tryouts all the times like all other clubs do.. IF we dug through a dusty box in the attic, I can probably find a medal or 2 won against an UFA team over the past years.. can you? I read your story and I'm very familiar with both those coaches. I'll relay your story to them and see if they remember your kid.... If you ever stuck around for any tryout they tell you that they're just calling you to get a yes or a no. They can't have 30 minute conversations with every parent, because there is another kid anxiously waiting for their call Sounds amazing, pass along so they can jar their memory from years ago, maybe 5 give or take a season/year on when a parent said NO and declined their offer over the phone during post tryout selection… that inquiry should bring an eyebrow raise, maybe a half hearted laugh or at least a confused look asking why would we care or remember someone that declined an offer and hang the phone up? Both have been around UFA for a minute now, so they probably remember more seasonal team Wins and Loses, relegations and promotions than receiving Nos over the years in filling their team rosters from a list… Best of luck in believing coaches don’t have more than a few minutes to speak with parents on why their player X was selected at the level the coach is calling to fill. Since you are interested and have unproductive time to spare, call around the state asking varies coaches from ODP - DA - Old C1 to Regional to National qualifying teams to see how they handled calling players/parents with uncommon names and how they figured out the correct pronunciation prior too or during the call to the house in years past … See if they recall anyone saying Yes, No, maybe later or we need time to discuss… Oh.. by the way, player Xs’ name is pronounced this way. |
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