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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 5, 2021 18:24:36 GMT -5
Just right after tryout has ended, some family friends are rejecting offers after been offered. Now let's discus. Major thing is, both clubs and parents do this thing.
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Post by BubbleDad on Jun 5, 2021 18:29:33 GMT -5
So sad and unprofessional. Burning bridges isn't good.
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Post by southsoccerfam on Jun 5, 2021 18:29:53 GMT -5
Do you mean parents are turning down offers after they have already verbally said yes to a team??
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Post by papacoach on Jun 5, 2021 18:57:31 GMT -5
We have rejected a few offers over the years due to poor first impression/sales approach phone call by a coach or unexpecting lower team coach calling/texting days later... Turns off are improperly saying the player's name, no clue of tryout evaluation results or being rushed for decision w/i minutes of the call. A few coaches will be prepared and able to have an adult conversation on youth player placement w/o choking on player X just being another name on the player list or next in line on the player passed over list.
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 5, 2021 19:14:18 GMT -5
so you're saying it is okay for parents to make such decisions based on "turn offs" and "evaluation results" and "rushed decisions"
As much as i love this family friend, i still think it is not fair to the team and the coach. WHY WAIT TILL AFTER TRYOUTS, AND AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OFFER AND ACCEPTED? THEN turned back and rejects it?
I saw some post abt SSA director pulling offers from players.... everyone on here is ripping him off for such decision? myself included.But somehow it is perfectly fine for parents to pull their on offer because of said "improperly saying player's name?
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Post by gafc on Jun 5, 2021 19:21:18 GMT -5
players who accept offers then turn around and accept a different offer lack proper guidance from parents IMO
At what age should a player contact coach if he/she is declining or looking for a spot on new team? I made my kid start that process at U14 (U17 now) and all coaches have appreciated that whether or not they like the decision. She has called coaches letting them know she is declining an offer or moving on from the club as well as looking for tryout opportunities. Of course I still help with the process but kids should learn to speak out and not hide behind parents.
Those parents/players are just as guilty as clubs/coaches pulling offers
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Post by gafc on Jun 5, 2021 19:24:08 GMT -5
I didn’t see the part about waiting till after tryouts are over. That’s beyond messed up
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Post by soccerloafer on Jun 5, 2021 19:36:53 GMT -5
We did that one year. Coach of 2nd choice made an offer that was good for the phone call only. Couldn't wait until end of day. Ok, sure, I'll 'take' your offer. 1st choice offer came through later the same day. Accepted, immediately called first coach and reneged. Is the club going to sue me? Screw them. No respect for that coach or club.
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Post by bogan on Jun 5, 2021 19:37:53 GMT -5
I mean, my sons name is easy: Azetbur B'Etor Ch'Rega. If he can’t stay it correctly, I’m pulling my acceptance …(😬)
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Post by bogan on Jun 5, 2021 19:40:55 GMT -5
We did that one year. Coach of 2nd choice made an offer that was good for the phone call only. Couldn't wait until end of day. Ok, sure, I'll 'take' your offer. 1st choice offer came through later the same day. Accepted, immediately called first coach and reneged. Is the club going to sue me? Screw them. No respect for that coach or club. I don’t do high pressure make a decision on this phone call. In the old days you were supposed to be given 72 hours from the offer.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 5, 2021 21:50:40 GMT -5
The only part I have an issue with is turning down an offer after accepting it. Just because an offer has been made, and tryouts are over, doesn't mean a player needs to accept it. If the player has multiple offers, and doesn't accept any prior to tryouts ending, then they should take their time and make the best choice for themselves.
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Post by papacoach on Jun 5, 2021 22:01:32 GMT -5
so you're saying it is okay for parents to make such decisions based on "turn offs" and "evaluation results" and "rushed decisions" As much as i love this family friend, i still think it is not fair to the team and the coach. WHY WAIT TILL AFTER TRYOUTS, AND AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OFFER AND ACCEPTED? THEN turned back and rejects it? I saw some post abt SSA director pulling offers from players.... everyone on here is ripping him off for such decision? myself included.But somehow it is perfectly fine for parents to pull their on offer because of said "improperly saying player's name? So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 5, 2021 22:01:50 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with rejecting an offer after tryouts. Even if the player gave a verbal commitment to the coach at tryouts that’s still not acceptable until the parent gets all the details and says yes.
Tryouts are meant for players to go around and find the best fit for them. Not for coaches and clubs to find the players to fit them.
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 6, 2021 0:10:04 GMT -5
so you're saying it is okay for parents to make such decisions based on "turn offs" and "evaluation results" and "rushed decisions" As much as i love this family friend, i still think it is not fair to the team and the coach. WHY WAIT TILL AFTER TRYOUTS, AND AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OFFER AND ACCEPTED? THEN turned back and rejects it? I saw some post abt SSA director pulling offers from players.... everyone on here is ripping him off for such decision? myself included.But somehow it is perfectly fine for parents to pull their on offer because of said "improperly saying player's name? So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does. You're rejecting offers because they keep mispronouncing your kids name? Sounds like it happens a lot and you're taking it too personal. Is it a name that a lot of people would have trouble with?
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 6, 2021 0:12:46 GMT -5
Just right after tryout has ended, some family friends are rejecting offers after been offered. Now let's discus. Major thing is, both clubs and parents do this thing. I know someone that accepted an offer from club A on Day 3 after being rejected by Club B. On tbe 4th day Club B called again (they must have gotten turned down by players) and offered spot and they accepted. They called club A and told them they changed their minds.
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Post by papacoach on Jun 6, 2021 5:29:41 GMT -5
So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does. You're rejecting offers because they keep mispronouncing your kids name? Sounds like it happens a lot and you're taking it too personal. Is it a name that a lot of people would have trouble with? Majority to all coaches that have done their due diligence should know how to pronounce players name beyond John, Jim, Bobby, Dhruv, Ishaan, Shaurya, Iman, Maximo, or Thiago as examples.. High school coaches, Elon, UNCW, Mercer, and other college coaches had no problem pronouncing player X name correctly when reaching out or in person. I understand if u are having trouble missing the point but don’t take It personnel, not everyone goes by John Smith on the pitch.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 6, 2021 8:27:10 GMT -5
I see both sides of this. Accepting an offer verbally to secure a spot somewhere and then turning it down when you get a "better" offer does cause problems for the team that offered. However high pressure, take it or leave it scenarios make this situation worse. But when at a big club that has ranked players from 1-75 and is trying to fill teams it can take a while to get through the list as someone else mentioned on a different thread. Let's use CF for this example as they are trying to fill 2 ECNL teams and 2 ECRL teams. Maybe a kid from ECRL team 2 is waiting two or three days to get their phone call because of the coaches waiting on players from teams 1 and 2 and 3 to make their decisions. It is hard on the kids either way.
My thing about players reneging on offers is that it really depends on how quickly they turn around and change their mind. Otherwise it can have a major ripple effect if it is several days later. It is also about the method and reasons behind it too.
This should be about the kids of course but one kid's decision could affect dozens of other kids as well. Timing of their change of heart matters to me.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 6, 2021 9:06:09 GMT -5
I’ve seen often for various reasons - but one big reason was traning location changing to a further location than the previous year and the information wasn’t disclosed until the offer was made etc.
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Post by insideinfo on Jun 6, 2021 9:49:33 GMT -5
You're rejecting offers because they keep mispronouncing your kids name? Sounds like it happens a lot and you're taking it too personal. Is it a name that a lot of people would have trouble with? Majority to all coaches that have done their due diligence should know how to pronounce players name beyond John, Jim, Bobby, Dhruv, Ishaan, Shaurya, Iman, Maximo, or Thiago as examples.. High school coaches, Elon, UNCW, Mercer, and other college coaches had no problem pronouncing player X name correctly when reaching out or in person. I understand if u are having trouble missing the point but don’t take It personnel, not everyone goes by John Smith on the pitch. Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder You're saying it was UFA's loss (that's the club you mentioned) for not getting your kid simply because they didnt pronounce your kid's name correctly and you rudely hung up the phone. You were so offended that you went back the next year and tried out again. I bet you didnt get the offer you wanted and the mispronouncing of name was just an excuse. Had it been the top team you simply would have taught them how to say it You have every right to decline an offer for any reason you want, but if something like your name being mispronounced bothers you that much I feel sorry for you. Btw everyone mispronounces my name too, I don't care, If I develop a relationship with them, then I tell them how to say it correctly. How about embrace it instead that it will be a memorable name? Yes not everyone is a John Smith, however you named your kid not them. Glad those college coaches were able to say your kids name on the first try, wish him/her good luck in the future.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2021 9:54:11 GMT -5
I’ve seen often for various reasons - but one big reason was traning location changing to a further location than the previous year and the information wasn’t disclosed until the offer was made etc. See I think in this instance is ok to take your acceptance back, some parents cant make it work. However I wish the clubs wouldn't wait until after tryouts when the kids chances with another team are slim
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 6, 2021 10:23:22 GMT -5
so you're saying it is okay for parents to make such decisions based on "turn offs" and "evaluation results" and "rushed decisions" As much as i love this family friend, i still think it is not fair to the team and the coach. WHY WAIT TILL AFTER TRYOUTS, AND AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OFFER AND ACCEPTED? THEN turned back and rejects it? I saw some post abt SSA director pulling offers from players.... everyone on here is ripping him off for such decision? myself included.But somehow it is perfectly fine for parents to pull their on offer because of said "improperly saying player's name? So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does. You must be joking right? pls someone help me make this statement make sense....So let me tell you something yeah, my boy's name is Simbarashe and my daughter's name is Chiedza. ECNL team directors and coaches fumble's their names and won't stop talking abt how great my kids are. So they offer us a sweet deal, a starting spot plus scholarship. So if i am as shallow as you are, i will just say NO THANKS. You misspell my kids name. And move on because of that
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 6, 2021 10:26:30 GMT -5
Just right after tryout has ended, some family friends are rejecting offers after been offered. Now let's discus. Major thing is, both clubs and parents do this thing. I know someone that accepted an offer from club A on Day 3 after being rejected by Club B. On tbe 4th day Club B called again (they must have gotten turned down by players) and offered spot and they accepted. They called club A and told them they changed their minds. I mean, that's not fair still. maybe parents shouldn't commit right away and ask the coach to give them some time? i think that approach is much better
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Post by liverpoolfc on Jun 6, 2021 10:33:28 GMT -5
Majority to all coaches that have done their due diligence should know how to pronounce players name beyond John, Jim, Bobby, Dhruv, Ishaan, Shaurya, Iman, Maximo, or Thiago as examples.. High school coaches, Elon, UNCW, Mercer, and other college coaches had no problem pronouncing player X name correctly when reaching out or in person. I understand if u are having trouble missing the point but don’t take It personnel, not everyone goes by John Smith on the pitch. Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder You're saying it was UFA's loss (that's the club you mentioned) for not getting your kid simply because they didnt pronounce your kid's name correctly and you rudely hung up the phone. You were so offended that you went back the next year and tried out again. I bet you didnt get the offer you wanted and the mispronouncing of name was just an excuse. Had it been the top team you simply would have taught them how to say it You have every right to decline an offer for any reason you want, but if something like your name being mispronounced bothers you that much I feel sorry for you. Btw everyone mispronounces my name too, I don't care, If I develop a relationship with them, then I tell them how to say it correctly. How about embrace it instead that it will be a memorable name? Yes not everyone is a John Smith, however you named your kid not them. Glad those college coaches were able to say your kids name on the first try, wish him/her good luck in the future. You nailed it. Thanks. Imagine if US national team coaches called to invite his/her kid to national camp but somehow the coach mispronounced the kid name. I wonder what he/she will do. Hang up? or teach them how to pronounce the kid's name properly?
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jun 6, 2021 11:10:13 GMT -5
I’ve seen often for various reasons - but one big reason was traning location changing to a further location than the previous year and the information wasn’t disclosed until the offer was made etc. See I think in this instance is ok to take your acceptance back, some parents cant make it work. However I wish the clubs wouldn't wait until after tryouts when the kids chances with another team are slim I wish clubs would publish training times & locations before tryouts as well. We have never known that information prior to tryouts, and typically don't get final confirmation until mid-July. Heck, last year we started with one schedule and had it slightly modified after a couple weeks, then changed again for the spring season.
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Post by bogan on Jun 6, 2021 11:16:52 GMT -5
“What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week…which is the way he wants it…well, he gets it…I don’t like it any more than you men.”
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Post by papacoach on Jun 6, 2021 11:53:33 GMT -5
So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does. You must be joking right? pls someone help me make this statement make sense....So let me tell you something yeah, my boy's name is Simbarashe and my daughter's name is Chiedza. ECNL team directors and coaches fumble's their names and won't stop talking abt how great my kids are. So they offer us a sweet deal, a starting spot plus scholarship. So if i am as shallow as you are, i will just say NO THANKS. You misspell my kids name. And move on because of that I remember our first time also where club level staff wouldn’t stop talking about future possibilities on player skills on the pitch .. it’s an amazing feeling isn’t it essentially when they respect the player(s) even more by pronouncing theirs names correctly.. Keep up the amazing story, we are routing for their successes when the scholarships are accepted.. be sure their names are spelled correctly 😉 Shallow is your continuous responding and missing the point of the conversation totally.. When college recruitment started for us.. schools like Seattle Pacific, Western Washington and others had little issues in their due diligence when pronouncing and spelling our names correctly. Years ago when 2 coaches during different years simply acted like inexperienced telemarketers looking for a quick close which in the long run had zero effect on our path through club soccer.. Just maybe, you are simply reflecting your shallowness on a soccer thread and bent that coaches show little regard and respect in continuing to mispronounce players names.. Have they been corrected and told how to say their names correctly and continue to fumble and bumble? Sounds like a little disrespectful to me but shallowness is the word of the day for at least a few.. Saying Dzigbode isn’t difficult and HS staff plus college recruiters don’t seem to have a problem with a foreign born name either even after a correction. Club coaches offering sweet deals and sponsorship aren’t a norm so 🎉 .. You seem very proud of them to a point of bragging in a soccer forum.. shallow much ?
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Jun 6, 2021 11:54:44 GMT -5
Guess my kid is one of the kids we are talking about. Kid got an offer from old team but a day later she got an offer from another club but with the guarantee to practice and play some with higher level team and travel for tournaments was a much better opportunity to help her get to college. So you can talk bad about us but she is doing what is right for her just like coaches do best for them
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Post by papacoach on Jun 6, 2021 12:01:33 GMT -5
Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder You're saying it was UFA's loss (that's the club you mentioned) for not getting your kid simply because they didnt pronounce your kid's name correctly and you rudely hung up the phone. You were so offended that you went back the next year and tried out again. I bet you didnt get the offer you wanted and the mispronouncing of name was just an excuse. Had it been the top team you simply would have taught them how to say it You have every right to decline an offer for any reason you want, but if something like your name being mispronounced bothers you that much I feel sorry for you. Btw everyone mispronounces my name too, I don't care, If I develop a relationship with them, then I tell them how to say it correctly. How about embrace it instead that it will be a memorable name? Yes not everyone is a John Smith, however you named your kid not them. Glad those college coaches were able to say your kids name on the first try, wish him/her good luck in the future. You nailed it. Thanks. Imagine if US national team coaches called to invite his/her kid to national camp but somehow the coach mispronounced the kid name. I wonder what he/she will do. Hang up? or teach them how to pronounce the kid's name properly? No chip or hard feelings for UFA at all.. I simply used them as an example but read into it as you see fit .. years ago, it was their loss and our gains elsewhere since additional offers were on the table being weighed and measured.. I have a feeling, UFA coaching staff hears Yes and NOs after tryouts all the times like all other clubs do.. IF we dug through a dusty box in the attic, I can probably find a medal or 2 won against an UFA team over the past years.. can you?
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Post by bogan on Jun 6, 2021 12:14:45 GMT -5
Nothings final until the credit card gets charged.
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Post by papacoach on Jun 6, 2021 12:16:55 GMT -5
So you are saying it’s okay for a misinformed and ill prepared coach calling and mispronouncing player X name and simply saying, they are simply calling the next name on the list w/o being an active evaluator during age grouping tryouts or least have player X post notes available for the brief call? One coach being UFA Don S many years ago.. called, asked for and pronounced player X name wrong twice even after being corrected once.. he was asked the reason for the call… “player X is the next name on the list I’m calling”.. we said NO before hanging up promptly and we never played for Him. Another coach being UFA Raul D many years ago called … he called and then texted a few times saying and misspelling the name wrong for playing X and he even said, He wasn’t even at tryouts .. player X is available.. you accepting? We hung up and never played for him either.. No slam on UFA coaches .. simply first hand examples of 2 coaches missing out. Hmm… verbal commit to actual committing to financial and administrative acceptance are too different things.. it happens more often than you can image hence the reason clubs wanting the first payment to secure player X acceptable quickly. Yes, buzzing my phone, be sure you are able to pronounce our names correctly like any other business caller or the local school does. Wow! You sound like you’d be real fun to sit next to on the sidelines. I bet you like declarations of personal pronouns when teams start a new season too. 🙄 sitting on a youth sideline yanking about proper pronouns seems to be your thang to wonder about .. good luck with that .. normally, I grabbed a camera and wondered off on my own leaving the pack of gossiping parents to yell at the Refs..
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