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Post by bogan on Jun 21, 2021 9:54:43 GMT -5
“ The Supreme Court on Monday ruled against the NCAA in a landmark antitrust case that specifically challenged the association’s ability to have national limits on benefits for athletes that are related to education, but more broadly had raised doubts about its ability to limit benefits at all. The ruling will end the association’s nationwide limits on education-related benefits athletes can receive for playing college sports.” USA Today
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Post by atv on Jun 21, 2021 12:10:39 GMT -5
Immediate implications may be many student athletes will receive additional education-related compensations, such as additional scholarship money. However, not sure exactly how title ix may be impacted. Nothing is changing there.
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Post by bogan on Jun 21, 2021 12:30:18 GMT -5
Immediate implications may be many student athletes will receive additional education-related compensations, such as additional scholarship money. However, not sure exactly how title ix may be impacted. Nothing is changing there. I think the walls coming down.
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Post by soccerspin on Jun 21, 2021 13:22:11 GMT -5
This should’ve happened a long time ago. So glad it finally did now. And a unanimous decision no less!
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Post by atv on Jun 21, 2021 16:45:15 GMT -5
I don’t expect this will affect soccer too much. Initially this will give schools the ability to offer other forms of compensation to football/ basketball players. Per WSJ, “ …means schools could offer compensation beyond the cost of attending college, such as scholarships for graduate or vocational schools, internships, computer equipment and study-abroad programs—and limited cash awards for athletes, potentially nearly $6,000 for now, who do well in the classroom.” Who knows what the long term effects will be.
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Post by hawkfan84 on Jun 21, 2021 21:57:23 GMT -5
I hope the athletes realize they cannot use their college's logos when trying to market themselves. Those are property of the universities.
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Post by atv on Jun 22, 2021 6:33:23 GMT -5
… so I’m not sure the latest SCOTUS ruling allows athletes to profit from brand endorsements or other moneymaking endeavors beyond what colleges provide. It appears it’s allowing for the school to provide some additional compensation above scholarships, ie internships, good grade bonuses, etc. However, it’s clear everyone is looking past this as paving the way for big money endorsements. This appears inevitable and there will certainly be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order effects.
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Post by soccerspin on Jun 22, 2021 7:41:16 GMT -5
… so I’m not sure the latest SCOTUS ruling allows athletes to profit from brand endorsements or other moneymaking endeavors beyond what colleges provide. It appears it’s allowing for the school to provide some additional compensation above scholarships, ie internships, good grade bonuses, etc. However, it’s clear everyone is looking past this as paving the way for big money endorsements. This appears inevitable and there will certainly be 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order effects. Correct. A narrow, but extremely significant ruling. And the individual state legislation regarding NIL (name, image, likeness) will also be very interesting to watch.
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Post by fridge on Jun 22, 2021 10:14:23 GMT -5
I think this is all very intriguing but generally agree how it impacts soccer is likely minimal. However, it would seem that it would terminate the cap on scholarships per soccer team (which I believe is 13.5). So, let's say there is a university (e.g. UNC) whose soccer program due to reputation/money/swag/etc. merits the coach saying, "I want that kid before they go to my competitor, so we need to give her a full ride even if we have 13.5 scholarships of commitments paid for." Is there a chance that certain programs offer more scholarships? Can they under this ruling? Would they? Thoughts?
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Post by bogan on Jun 22, 2021 10:17:36 GMT -5
I think this is all very intriguing but generally agree how it impacts soccer is likely minimal. However, it would seem that it would terminate the cap on scholarships per soccer team (which I believe is 13.5). So, let's say there is a university (e.g. UNC) whose soccer program due to reputation/money/swag/etc. merits the coach saying, "I want that kid before they go to my competitor, so we need to give her a full ride even if we have 13.5 scholarships of commitments paid for." Is there a chance that certain programs offer more scholarships? Can they under this ruling? Would they? Thoughts? Good questions…I’m not sure that universities themselves know the answer to them yet.
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Post by atv on Jun 22, 2021 10:42:09 GMT -5
My thoughts are College Soccer is a non revenue producing sport. All the discussion right now is about the billions (with a B) of dollars college football takes in and about how these athletes share the pie. How it affects soccer from a third or fourth order trickle down effect, who knows yet. However, soccer programs are supported financially, in many cases, by football and basketball revenue. It’s very likely some changes might not be positive. Maybe soccer athletes will see some of the money but with more money to football/ basketball athletes, I don’t think increasing scholarships to non revenue producing sports would be top of the list. www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ncaa-supreme-court-decision-11624363199
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Post by atv on Jun 22, 2021 10:56:36 GMT -5
There is only one certainty in this whole thing. Football ticket prices will go up!
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Jun 22, 2021 11:04:56 GMT -5
The number of scholarships per sport is set by the NCAA to keep an even playing field For example: D1 Football is 85 Baseball 11.7 Basketball 15 men 13 for women Soccer limit is 14 www.collegescholarships.org/scholarships/sports/soccer.htmThe NCAA – Soccer The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) was founded more than a century ago. Its operating principle is to protect the interests of student-athletes, and to regulate all aspects of competitive sports at the college level. The NCAA consists of three divisions, which determine the rules by which colleges can recruit players and award athletic scholarships and grants. All NCAA colleges and universities are bound by the regulations of their division, and will be severely penalized for any infringement of those rules. NCAA Division I There are 198 men’s soccer programs, and 320 women’s soccer programs in Division I. NCAA Division I schools include Baylor University, Purdue, the University of Florida and Michigan State. These are the powerhouse schools in all of college athletics, and only the most exceptional soccer players will score scholarships from these colleges and universities. The NCAA strictly regulates the number of scholarships that each school in Division I can offer. Women’s soccer programs are capped at 14 full tuition scholarships, while men’s soccer programs are limited to 9. These are full ride scholarships, and coaches may choose to divide them up however they wish. For example, if a coach has 14 full ride scholarships to award in the women’s soccer program, they may choose to recruit 28 players, offering only a partial scholarship to each. In this way, Division I colleges can stretch their scholarship limitations to include a greater number of players.
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Post by atv on Jun 22, 2021 11:27:07 GMT -5
The number of scholarships are maximum amounts allowed by the NCAA per sport. Some schools may be fully funded and use all there available scholarships, others may have less because of budgetary reasons. Take for example, Clemson men’s soccer program has 30 players on the roster and 9.9 scholarships to share between all of them. Some players are likely at full scholarship and others are receiving no scholarship.
I’m not sure exactly how the NCAA sets scholarship limits per sport or what gives them the authority to do so. I don’t see this as being fair and should be left up to the individual schools provided they meet federal laws like Title IX.
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 22, 2021 12:08:43 GMT -5
I think this is all very intriguing but generally agree how it impacts soccer is likely minimal. However, it would seem that it would terminate the cap on scholarships per soccer team (which I believe is 13.5). So, let's say there is a university (e.g. UNC) whose soccer program due to reputation/money/swag/etc. merits the coach saying, "I want that kid before they go to my competitor, so we need to give her a full ride even if we have 13.5 scholarships of commitments paid for." Is there a chance that certain programs offer more scholarships? Can they under this ruling? Would they? Thoughts? Good question. Based upon federal law the only way this scenario could happen is if the number of ex: football scholarships increased from 85 to 86. Which would allow w soccer to go from 13.5 to 14.5 for example. I am thinking the bigger impact on the ruling for sports like w soccer, could be the creation of more flexible financial packages. Making them (e.g. UNC) a more attractive option for a student-athlete, even without receiving a full athletic scholarship. Similar to what ivy league schools offer. Smart kids don't care what type of financial assistance is given, as long as it covers a fair percentage of their costs to attend the school. Even if it's not in the form of "athletic scholarship" dollars, I think this ruling will lead to smart coaches and programs having more autonomy in the near future, an ability to develop creative financial packages for students/parents to consider. Especially those who want to play at a particular school or for a particular coach.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 22, 2021 13:34:05 GMT -5
I predict you will begin to see non-revenue sports going away. Universities rely on 2 sports to mostly fund their athletics (football and men's basketball). Even with this revenue, most college athletic programs operate in the red. Economics suggests there is no more money to give and if they take it, it is coming from non-revenue sports including soccer.
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Post by bogan on Jun 22, 2021 13:55:34 GMT -5
I’m not sure where all this is going-but one thing I am sure of-tuition will go up.
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Post by atv on Jun 22, 2021 17:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Jun 22, 2021 17:43:44 GMT -5
“ U.S. Olympic teams will wind up needing major support from the federal government. College football revenue has driven Olympic success for a long time. The popular U.S. women’s national soccer team? Nearly all of its players were trained by highly paid coaches at top-level facilities at major football-playing schools. Those coaches and facilities were largely paid for with money generated by the efforts of football players.”
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Post by rifle on Jun 22, 2021 20:10:37 GMT -5
It’s a damn convenient fact that the massive money of college football.. Just like NFL football… is made possible by one thing… stopping every 3-4 minutes for a commercial. Stop the game for some Cheetos and Budweiser!
NBA. MLB. Not far behind for the same reasons.
For all of us soccer lovers… it is what it is.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 22, 2021 20:28:53 GMT -5
It’s a damn convenient fact that the massive money of college football.. Just like NFL football… is made possible by one thing… stopping every 3-4 minutes for a commercial. Stop the game for some Cheetos and Budweiser! NBA. MLB. Not far behind for the same reasons. For all of us soccer lovers… it is what it is. Premier league is finding a way to make it work with huge advertising deals and tv contracts. The difference is having the best players in the world. Tough to get people to spend money on an inferior product.
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Post by rifle on Jun 23, 2021 4:55:23 GMT -5
It’s a damn convenient fact that the massive money of college football.. Just like NFL football… is made possible by one thing… stopping every 3-4 minutes for a commercial. Stop the game for some Cheetos and Budweiser! NBA. MLB. Not far behind for the same reasons. For all of us soccer lovers… it is what it is. Premier league is finding a way to make it work with huge advertising deals and tv contracts. The difference is having the best players in the world. Tough to get people to spend money on an inferior product. Amen.
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Post by flix on Jun 23, 2021 6:14:30 GMT -5
“ U.S. Olympic teams will wind up needing major support from the federal government. College football revenue has driven Olympic success for a long time. The popular U.S. women’s national soccer team? Nearly all of its players were trained by highly paid coaches at top-level facilities at major football-playing schools. Those coaches and facilities were largely paid for with money generated by the efforts of football players.” This is a very very interesting post!
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