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Post by bogan on Jul 11, 2021 18:40:44 GMT -5
From Mohamed El Erian
“ Come to think of it, you couldn’t have written a more suspenseful ending for UEFA EURO 2020 then with this Penalty sequencing:
England in control after Italy misses its second kick;
Italy is back level and then controls its destiny as England misses two kicks;
Italy doesn’t clinch it; and
England loses it on its final kick.
A real emotional roller coaster.
#football #england #italy #euro2020”
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 11, 2021 19:03:27 GMT -5
Pretty crazy game.
Score and park the bus. I guess the plan was to park the bus from the start.
Well - it almost worked….
Stunning again how some of the best players in the world can’t take a PK to save their live. Credit to Donnarumma on the last one for sure.
Both keepers came up big.
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Post by bogan on Jul 11, 2021 19:05:52 GMT -5
“ Stunning again how some of the best players in the world can’t take a PK to save their live. Credit to Donnarumma on the last one for sure. ”
“The weight of the jersey…”
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Post by dadofthree on Jul 11, 2021 19:12:40 GMT -5
What's more amazing is that some of the best offensive players England had, I think, didnt want to take them. Saw a stat that Sterling has only taken 4 in his career and Grelish had only taken 1. Only reason I can think that two of them in particular are that low is that they can't get over the pressure of being on the spot. It's that old adage that you want the player to want to take it.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 11, 2021 21:26:16 GMT -5
Should have let Pickford taken one! GKers know!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 12, 2021 8:44:30 GMT -5
Pretty crazy game. Score and park the bus. I guess the plan was to park the bus from the start. Well - it almost worked…. Stunning again how some of the best players in the world can’t take a PK to save their live. Credit to Donnarumma on the last one for sure. Both keepers came up big. Well I feel for Rashford and Sancho as they were cold. They had been on the field for 2 minutes and I don't think either had a touch. It was a difficult situation to put them in. They and Saka are also so young. I do agree it is weird that some of the older attacking players like Sterling and Grealish did not take them. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 12, 2021 8:49:26 GMT -5
Pretty crazy game. Score and park the bus. I guess the plan was to park the bus from the start. Well - it almost worked…. Stunning again how some of the best players in the world can’t take a PK to save their live. Credit to Donnarumma on the last one for sure. Both keepers came up big. Well I feel for Rashford and Sancho as they were cold. They had been on the field for 2 minutes and I don't think either had a touch. It was a difficult situation to put them in. They and Saka are also so young. I do agree it is weird that some of the older attacking players like Sterling and Grealish did not take them. I also feel bad for the racist abuse Rashford, Sancho, and Saka took on social media after the game. It was/is terrible. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 12, 2021 9:27:48 GMT -5
bogan I can't even imagine how all three are handling the barrage of hate from those within the shores of the United Kingdom and beyond. What's worse is some of the abuse is just so vile it honestly shouldn't be shared even when trying to bring light to said abuse. IMO, I put most of the blame on Southgate. You start and end your PKs with experience and darn near certainty. Putting Saka in that position was an atrocious call. The entire weight of the English football world on the shoulders of a teenager, me thinks not. I think waiting to put in Rashford n Sancho that late was a calculated mistake. Should have brought them in much earlier to warm up and to add fresh legs, especially with what Sancho is capable of doing by breaking ankles. For the record, Grealish did want to take one, or so he says publicly...
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jul 12, 2021 9:38:36 GMT -5
bogan I can't even imagine how all three are handling the barrage of hate from those within the shores of the United Kingdom and beyond. What's worse is some of the abuse is just so vile it honestly shouldn't be shared even when trying to bring light to said abuse. IMO, I put most of the blame on Southgate. You start and end your PKs with experience and darn near certainty. Putting Saka in that position was an atrocious call. The entire weight of the English football on the shoulders of a teenager, me thinks not. I think waiting to put in Rashford n Sancho that late was a calculated mistake. Should have brought them in much earlier to warm up and to add fresh legs, especially with what Sancho is capable of in breaking ankles. For the record, Grealish did want to take one, or so he says publicly... I said the same things watching it. Terrible call to have a teenager taking the 5th spot in that situation. I'd be embarrassed if I had seniority on the team and forced that kid to take the shot by not stepping up to the challenge. Also, thought the same thing with Rashford and Sancho. They should have been on earlier and gotten into the flow of the game if the intent was for them to be taking kicks from the spot. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 12, 2021 10:01:44 GMT -5
I would assume that who is taking penalties and when is decided in practice.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jul 12, 2021 11:53:03 GMT -5
Some of the best GK's in the game. What an honor to watch them play.
Great saves in the highest pressure situations. Hands down one of the best performances by keepers.
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Post by rifle on Jul 12, 2021 13:00:09 GMT -5
Some of the best GK's in the game. What an honor to watch them play. Great saves in the highest pressure situations. Hands down one of the best performances by keepers. I was stunned when Pickford made the save in the 5th kick... Then blown away when his teammates missed three straight chances. But the last PK I took in a U30 coed game went over the crossbar… so I can totally understand the pressure  |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 12, 2021 13:58:53 GMT -5
I thought the only bad PK was rashford. All of the others were good to great saves by the keepers.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 12, 2021 15:42:53 GMT -5
Continues to show that he is at the end of the day, a class act and one to have our kids maybe look up to... thankfully, the youngsters get it...
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 13, 2021 11:39:51 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods.
I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 13, 2021 18:09:05 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Was that the one that wouldn’t have mattered as Saka should have been called for a handball as well?? (Totally agree the foul was reckless) |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 14, 2021 9:01:54 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Was that the one that wouldn’t have mattered as Saka should have been called for a handball as well?? (Totally agree the foul was reckless) That is true he did touch it with his hand but I don't know which came first I think he was in the process of committing the foul as it touched his arm. I would have go back and look again. If the handball was first then obviously no foul but a card could still be issued due to the recklessness. They have the help of VAR, I don't though, so unless my AR saw the handball, I'm not sure I would have necessarily seen it. It would depend on my positioning. I would hope I would see it though. |
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Post by fanatic21 on Jul 18, 2021 12:33:48 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Definitely a yellow but never a red card in a million years. I hope you never ref one of my kids’ games if those are the kind of red cards you give. |
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2021 13:46:07 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Definitely a yellow but never a red card in a million years. I hope you never ref one of my kids’ games if those are the kind of red cards you give. I believe a horse collar tackle gets you ejected from pointy ball games… |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 19, 2021 13:13:07 GMT -5
Definitely a yellow but never a red card in a million years. I hope you never ref one of my kids’ games if those are the kind of red cards you give. I believe a horse collar tackle gets you ejected from pointy ball games… It was very excessive and very careless and dangerous. Any referee would be in his rights to give a red there. As I said before, I understand technical fouls all day. He could have slowed or stopped that attack without doing a horse collar slinging him to the ground. I know you are a referee, without the handball or if the handball happened during or after the horse collar is that a red for you? |
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Post by rifle on Jul 19, 2021 13:29:53 GMT -5
I believe a horse collar tackle gets you ejected from pointy ball games… It was very excessive and very careless and dangerous. Any referee would be in his rights to give a red there. As I said before, I understand technical fouls all day. He could have slowed or stopped that attack without doing a horse collar slinging him to the ground. I know you are a referee, without the handball or if the handball happened during or after the horse collar is that a red for you? I let my certification expire during the pandemic… and contemplating renewing. But I would have to consider violent conduct. If you punch somebody it doesn’t matter if there was a handball just prior. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 19, 2021 13:53:35 GMT -5
It was very excessive and very careless and dangerous. Any referee would be in his rights to give a red there. As I said before, I understand technical fouls all day. He could have slowed or stopped that attack without doing a horse collar slinging him to the ground. I know you are a referee, without the handball or if the handball happened during or after the horse collar is that a red for you? I let my certification expire during the pandemic… and contemplating renewing. But I would have to consider violent conduct. If you punch somebody it doesn’t matter if there was a handball just prior. I'm good through the end of the year but I now have 2 kids playing competitive soccer and one of those kids also a referee, and I'm unsure how much I will actually be able to referee this fall because neither can drive though one is close but not this year. I'm going to use the fall as a reference to see if I can do it enough to make it worthwhile to renew for 2022. I do enjoy doing it especially when good soccer is being played, which I didn't know if I would or not when I started 2 years ago. |
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Post by mistercalcio on Jul 21, 2021 0:22:15 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Yes, I’m biased… but you must be joking, right? Or, at the very least, not at all taking into account the fact that you’re comparing your experience refereeing what I assume to be low level teenagers (in the grand scheme of international play) to a 36 year old World Cup winner and 19 year old who starts for one of the highest level clubs in England. Even if you’re reffing U18 ECNL, which I doubt since you’ve been a ref all of 2 years, your experience is night and day compared to a Euro final. Sure, laws are written in ink, but they can and should be administered differently for certain levels. And, even so, at the end of the day this is still a simple shirt pull tactical foul that looks much worse than it actually is. Chiellini is an absolute bull of a human physically, Saka is slight in stature and fleet of foot, and professional kits are made of extremely lightweight material that stretch or rip at any sort of tug. At that point it’s simple physics. Give me an absolute break with these nonsensical red card claims and I’ll go back to enjoying the Azzurri win. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 21, 2021 6:42:16 GMT -5
The pull down (choke) of Saka by Chiellini was excessive and definitely should have been a red card IMHO. I am a referee and if that happens in one of my games exactly like that, its a red card all day from me. That would have changed the whole complexion of both 15 minute extra periods. I understand tactical fouls, but that one would be categorized as excessive and dangerous in my opinion. Yes, I’m biased… but you must be joking, right? Or, at the very least, not at all taking into account the fact that you’re comparing your experience refereeing what I assume to be low level teenagers (in the grand scheme of international play) to a 36 year old World Cup winner and 19 year old who starts for one of the highest level clubs in England. Even if you’re reffing U18 ECNL, which I doubt since you’ve been a ref all of 2 years, your experience is night and day compared to a Euro final. Sure, laws are written in ink, but they can and should be administered differently for certain levels. And, even so, at the end of the day this is still a simple shirt pull tactical foul that looks much worse than it actually is. Chiellini is an absolute bull of a human physically, Saka is slight in stature and fleet of foot, and professional kits are made of extremely lightweight material that stretch or rip at any sort of tug. At that point it’s simple physics. Give me an absolute break with these nonsensical red card claims and I’ll go back to enjoying the Azzurri win. Wow so many ASS-U-MPTIONS. First of all had you read anything I just wrote, in any of this post you would realize I am not a teenager. Second of all I have indeed refereed some ECNL girls and boys games in tournaments. I forget the age but it was either U16 or U18 for those. Just because you have a difference of an opinion doesn't mean you have to be a jackass about it. You probably should look up the comments on that pull down by many people including media. I wasn't the only one that thought that could be a potential red. Of course I am watching it on TV, and maybe it looks different if I'm on the pitch refereeing a game where that takes place. All I am saying is from TV that definitely could be a red card given the severity of the way it looked on TV. You are obviously a homer for Italy, so your view of the whole thing is clouded. I got no dog in that hunt. I didn't care who won. |
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Post by mistercalcio on Jul 21, 2021 9:19:39 GMT -5
Yes, I’m biased… but you must be joking, right? Or, at the very least, not at all taking into account the fact that you’re comparing your experience refereeing what I assume to be low level teenagers (in the grand scheme of international play) to a 36 year old World Cup winner and 19 year old who starts for one of the highest level clubs in England. Even if you’re reffing U18 ECNL, which I doubt since you’ve been a ref all of 2 years, your experience is night and day compared to a Euro final. Sure, laws are written in ink, but they can and should be administered differently for certain levels. And, even so, at the end of the day this is still a simple shirt pull tactical foul that looks much worse than it actually is. Chiellini is an absolute bull of a human physically, Saka is slight in stature and fleet of foot, and professional kits are made of extremely lightweight material that stretch or rip at any sort of tug. At that point it’s simple physics. Give me an absolute break with these nonsensical red card claims and I’ll go back to enjoying the Azzurri win. Wow so many ASS-U-MPTIONS. First of all had you read anything I just wrote, in any of this post you would realize I am not a teenager. Second of all I have indeed refereed some ECNL girls and boys games in tournaments. I forget the age but it was either U16 or U18 for those. Just because you have a difference of an opinion doesn't mean you have to be a jackass about it. You probably should look up the comments on that pull down by many people including media. I wasn't the only one that thought that could be a potential red. Of course I am watching it on TV, and maybe it looks different if I'm on the pitch refereeing a game where that takes place. All I am saying is from TV that definitely could be a red card given the severity of the way it looked on TV. You are obviously a homer for Italy, so your view of the whole thing is clouded. I got no dog in that hunt. I didn't care who won. Homie, I read literally everything you wrote on this thread, which is how I know you’ve been reffing for only 2 years. I clearly said you had likely been reffing teenagers, not “you are a teenager.” Gotta love when someone tries to insult your reading comprehension but they misunderstood in the first place. Also, are you really making the “lots of people agree with me online and in the media” argument? That goes both ways with literally anything that has more than one side, because it’s the internet. But when it comes down to it, that just *wasn’t* violent or reckless or whatever other adjective you want to put on it to try and fit it to a red card conviction. I’m surely a passionate Italian and supporter of the team, but I’m also able to be objective and have (at this point) 19 years of refereeing experience to go along with the rest of what I’ve stated at this point. |
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