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Post by dadofthree on Jul 18, 2021 14:31:42 GMT -5
Twitter is reporting Heinze is out. Atlanta United went from the poster child of the well run franchise to this....how far have we fallen.
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2021 14:57:31 GMT -5
Not just Twitter. The Official AU account.
Good luck to whomever is next… shambolic situation.
Play by play of the 4pm press conference
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Post by dadofthree on Jul 18, 2021 15:21:27 GMT -5
The problem is what self respecting coach would come to Atlanta after he sees the most successful coach the team has leave because of issues with management and then the next two coaches last 5 and 13 games. The only thing we need to have to turn Atlanta United into As the World Turns is Jose Mourinho.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 18, 2021 15:25:18 GMT -5
Time for Atlanta to become Ted Lasso. Let’s go get one of those pointy ball coaches!
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2021 15:25:25 GMT -5
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Post by datrain on Jul 18, 2021 15:42:41 GMT -5
The first question any serious journalist should ask: Darren/ Carlos …why are you still worthy of employment? What have you done in the last 36 months that would justify you keeping your respective jobs?
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Post by nole95 on Jul 18, 2021 15:45:40 GMT -5
Is there any reason Blank is not stepping in to fix this mess? Can’t imagine he’s happy seeing what has become of this team over the past couple seasons.
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Heinze Out
Jul 18, 2021 16:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by dadofthree on Jul 18, 2021 16:05:11 GMT -5
The first question any serious journalist should ask: Darren/ Carlos …why are you still worthy of employment? What have you done in the last 36 months that would justify you keeping your respective jobs? Apparently that was asked by Paul Terino of the Athletic. I can't find what they said but that is the elephant in the room. Not sure we will get it right until some of management looks at themselves in a mirror. |
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2021 16:27:54 GMT -5
Is there any reason Blank is not stepping in to fix this mess? Can’t imagine he’s happy seeing what has become of this team over the past couple seasons. Are you familiar with the Atlanta Falcons? I hear their owner is fairly tolerant of mediocrity. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 18, 2021 17:29:48 GMT -5
Felipe got thrown to the wolves on twitter by many loyal AU supporters/dirty south soccerites.
clearly boca and eales have to go as well.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 18, 2021 17:30:09 GMT -5
Is there any reason Blank is not stepping in to fix this mess? Can’t imagine he’s happy seeing what has become of this team over the past couple seasons. Are you familiar with the Atlanta Falcons? I hear their owner is fairly tolerant of mediocrity. Yep and as long as Atlanta United keep pulling a profit then Uncle Artie won’t care. Shame at this point selling off Josef would be like drafting an uga QB, pointless and extremely costly. 😂 |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 18, 2021 18:41:52 GMT -5
Time for Atlanta to become Ted Lasso. Let’s go get one of those pointy ball coaches! |
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Post by rifle on Jul 18, 2021 19:51:47 GMT -5
Wonder if AU will hire another manager that the fans think is best. Like they did with Heinze. Perhaps some scouting expertise is needed.
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Post by bogan on Jul 18, 2021 20:19:28 GMT -5
Wonder if AU will hire another manager that the fans think is best. Like they did with Heinze. Perhaps some scouting expertise is needed. Good question-but he (Heinze) was on the short list of AU coaching candidates per Dirty South Soccer I believe…so maybe they need better scouting. Or pick somebody who isn’t perpetually ill tempered and recalcitrant? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 18, 2021 20:39:52 GMT -5
I’ll be honest wit ya
Any player/ coach linked or rumored to becoming to AU is considered the greatest talent ever by the Twitter fan base.
Tata was the brain and Almiron was just better then everyone else.
The most important piece is field an entertaining product. Possession without purpose is for u10 soccer.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 18, 2021 21:29:18 GMT -5
IMO Atlanta United need to go one of two routes.
I highly doubt it would occur with the WC looming next year, but with Tata only having one more year on his contract with the Mexican Nat'l Team, I wish they could bring Tata back but only if Boca is sent packing. He's clearly out of his element in the C-Suite and just comes off like a nasty rash from all indications. I've gotten reports that staff, coaches, players and even the Academy apparatus just don't like or trust him 😨
The more realistic play though, is for Atlanta United to go and find a good young coach from the coaching tree of Bob Bradley or Bruce Arena, like Jesse Marsch to come back home and take the realm with the financial backing of Uncle Arthur and build the club from toe to stem. With his experience playing and coaching in the MLS, he would be tasked with revamping the entire ecosystem from scouting, to setting a real goal for AU2, to the looming U22/23s Reserve team to integrating the up and coming stars from the Academy.
Regardless of who Atlanta United chooses to get, they need to get rid of Boca and they need someone who is invested and willing to make the ATL their home for more than a couple of years...
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Post by flix on Jul 19, 2021 9:13:10 GMT -5
Whoever the next coach is I hope if they have boys that play soccer that their boys have to through the same tryout process as everyone else. Heinze has two boys that just showed up and were playing. The youngest one did not deserve to be playing at AU when there are tons of better boys out there than he was. Just because you are the head coach of the first team doesn’t mean your kids can play. Also, who else was alarmed when the man didn’t read any MLS rules before accepting the job and didn’t know you can’t play academy players on the first team like in South America? We went Argentine, Dutch and Argentine. Can we go German or Spanish now?
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Heinze Out
Jul 19, 2021 16:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jul 19, 2021 16:52:23 GMT -5
Whoever the next coach is I hope if they have boys that play soccer that their boys have to through the same tryout process as everyone else. Heinze has two boys that just showed up and were playing. The youngest one did not deserve to be playing at AU when there are tons of better boys out there than he was. Just because you are the head coach of the first team doesn’t mean your kids can play. Also, who else was alarmed when the man didn’t read any MLS rules before accepting the job and didn’t know you can’t play academy players on the first team like in South America? We went Argentine, Dutch and Argentine. Can we go German or Spanish now? Wow. Nepotism too… |
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Post by rifle on Jul 19, 2021 16:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 20, 2021 5:14:02 GMT -5
Looks like Rob Valentino has been tabbed as the new interim coach to lead the Five Stripes for the rest of the season. Known at the Training Grounds for working with the young Pros like Bellow in transitioning them from the Academy to the Pro way of life. He says Darren Eales and Carlos Bocanegra made it clear he'll just be the interim coach and not in the running for the full-time role, but he's hoping to take advantage of the opportunity and steer the club in a positive direction for however long he's at the helm. Listed below is one of his first meetings with the local media... p.s. Martinez is back training with the first team 😎⚽😎
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 20, 2021 6:05:43 GMT -5
Whoever the next coach is I hope if they have boys that play soccer that their boys have to through the same tryout process as everyone else. Heinze has two boys that just showed up and were playing. The youngest one did not deserve to be playing at AU when there are tons of better boys out there than he was. Just because you are the head coach of the first team doesn’t mean your kids can play. So on the surface, you make very good points and get no arguments from me. Fair is Fair. For those who are unaware, Heinze has two boys, one who would be a u12 and another a u17 who upon Heinze's hiring miraculously joined their respective aged AU Academy teams mid-season, in January. I will continue the time-honored tradition of not using this medium to bash the play of kids but let's just say without the influence of daddy being the H/C neither kid would honestly make any DA, MLS-Next, or ECNL team and IMO, would fare best on a low ECRL or a high SCCL-C team. I think what made it worse was the entitlement both kids had knowing there was nothing their coaches or teammates could do regardless of their attitude or level of play. Let's just say a series of academy parents and players let out a collective sigh of relief when Heinze was fired...😊 On the other hand, you have two kids, who want to play soccer and you have an Academy at your disposal. They are new to the city, state, country, barely speak the language, and we all know the love language of the average fan especially with members of the head coaches family. So I get wanting them in the comfort and safety of the AU sphere of youth soccer. However, based on their level of play, I would have spoken with the DOC of a local club, registered them under maybe their mother's maiden name and tried to quietly normalize them as regular players. It is the model TA used when his kids started playing local soccer. Like flix said they did not belong in the AU Academy, not with other more deserving local lads waiting on the sidelines... 😊 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 20, 2021 8:22:15 GMT -5
Never heard of the interim coach, but seems short sided again by the front office, if AU ends up turning this ship around because of him and making a nice run in the playoffs, it would be foolish not to consider him for the position.
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Post by rifle on Jul 20, 2021 9:41:38 GMT -5
Never heard of the interim coach, but seems short sided again by the front office, if AU ends up turning this ship around because of him and making a nice run in the playoffs, it would be foolish not to consider him for the position. …makes you wonder doesn’t it. |
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Heinze Out
Jul 20, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by rudy on Jul 20, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -5
Seems to be an orgsnization issue IMO. Except for JB and now recently JC, the academy has not produced and you have the ECNL debacle. Hope it gets turned around soon. The games are painful to watch due to just poor soccer.
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Heinze Out
Jul 20, 2021 11:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by flix on Jul 20, 2021 11:12:42 GMT -5
Seems to be an orgsnization issue IMO. Except for JB and now recently JC, the academy has not produced and you have the ECNL debacle. Hope it gets turned around soon. The games are painful to watch due to just poor soccer. “The ECNL debacle” 😂😂😂😂 |
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Heinze Out
Jul 20, 2021 11:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 20, 2021 11:56:13 GMT -5
The ECNL issue with the AU academy teams did cause a great deal of issues for the ECNL organization and teams thus debacle is an appropriate term.
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Heinze Out
Jul 20, 2021 12:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 20, 2021 12:13:58 GMT -5
The ECNL issue with the AU academy teams did cause a great deal of issues for the ECNL organization and teams thus debacle is an appropriate term. Not sure what that has to do with firing Heinze. How much does the front office even get involved with decisions for the academy team? |
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Post by dadofthree on Jul 20, 2021 13:51:54 GMT -5
The ECNL issue with the AU academy teams did cause a great deal of issues for the ECNL organization and teams thus debacle is an appropriate term. Not sure what that has to do with firing Heinze. How much does the front office even get involved with decisions for the academy team? Would have to agree. Plus we all know the youth/academy system is a mess at best what makes the AU academy any different than any of the other messed up situations across all the alphabet leagues. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 20, 2021 19:50:15 GMT -5
Not sure what that has to do with firing Heinze. How much does the front office even get involved with decisions for the academy team? Would have to agree. Plus we all know the youth/academy system is a mess at best what makes the AU academy any different than any of the other messed up situations across all the alphabet leagues. I keep thinking we have to be close to saturation with the new leagues…but I have been thinking that for several years now. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Jul 20, 2021 21:47:09 GMT -5
Eric Wynalda.
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