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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 26, 2021 11:40:44 GMT -5
A school like Texas has a 1/3 more undergraduate students than for example UGA. Multiply that number by annual graduating classes over any period of time and the alumni base is difficult to imagine in comparison to most SEC schools. It's what the SEC has always lacked, with the exception of Atlanta, there's not another major tv market in the country that cares about the SEC.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 26, 2021 12:10:51 GMT -5
What is crazy is that they think they can increase the payouts to each institution by adding texas and OK, i guess it would give them the OK and almost the complete texas market with a&m and texas. sounds like this thing is a done deal. It is not just about the markets they bring. It is also about the national interest that some of these matchups would have. The national TV ratings would be huge for the return of Texas v. ATM; either Texas or Oklahoma playing Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU. And I may be wrong about this, but it seems like a certainty that we're going to 9 conference games. I can't imagine the type of increase in payout they're talking about for each SEC team is just due to adding OU & TX. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 27, 2021 12:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 27, 2021 13:01:31 GMT -5
UGA fans going to church this weekend praying Saban has retired and Dabo hasn't taken his place when this all takes place in 2025 or earlier.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 27, 2021 13:16:34 GMT -5
What about the soccer implications? The Texas team has had some ridiculously good recruits recently and Texas A&M has been good since they came into the SEC. Oklahoma has had some great recruits recently. I don't think anyone will argue that the SEC is not better than Big 12 in women's soccer too. This will increase the competition for soccer too.
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 27, 2021 13:28:16 GMT -5
What about the soccer implications? The Texas team has had some ridiculously good recruits recently and Texas A&M has been good since they came into the SEC. Oklahoma has had some great recruits recently. I don't think anyone will argue that the SEC is not better than Big 12 in women's soccer too. This will increase the competition for soccer too. Do non-revenue sports survive the changes that are coming to college athletics? With super conferences, the likely death of the ncaa, NIL, the eventual paying of college athletes, I am not sure that non-revenue sports make it long term. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 27, 2021 13:41:57 GMT -5
What about the soccer implications? The Texas team has had some ridiculously good recruits recently and Texas A&M has been good since they came into the SEC. Oklahoma has had some great recruits recently. I don't think anyone will argue that the SEC is not better than Big 12 in women's soccer too. This will increase the competition for soccer too. Do non-revenue sports survive the changes that are coming to college athletics? With super conferences, the likely death of the ncaa, NIL, the eventual paying of college athletes, I am not sure that non-revenue sports make it long term. As long as Title IX is a federal law and not an ncaa rule, sports like soccer will be fully supported at the collegiate level at least on the women's side. But unfortunately, can't say that about men's soccer or other non-rev sports. |
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Post by justwatching on Jul 27, 2021 13:42:54 GMT -5
Adding TX and OU to the SEC puts so much separation between the SEC and everyone else for Football it will be crazy. Also, this would likely bring TX back into prominence by allowing it to keep more of the state's top talent from leaking out of state. You only have a hand full of other perennial top programs in the nation at that point on the outside. Also the amount of money TX vs TX A&M, TX vs LSU, and TX vs OU brings into the conference will be insane. Plus in all likelihood an additional playoff spot annually.
And it will be great for SEC soccer. OU and TX, especially TX have very solid programs
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 27, 2021 13:54:29 GMT -5
Adding TX and OU to the SEC puts so much separation between the SEC and everyone else for Football it will be crazy. Also, this would likely bring TX back into prominence by allowing it to keep more of the state's top talent from leaking out of state. You only have a hand full of other perennial top programs in the nation at that point on the outside. Also the amount of money TX vs TX A&M, TX vs LSU, and TX vs OU brings into the conference will be insane. Plus in all likelihood an additional playoff spot annually. And it will be great for SEC soccer. OU and TX, especially TX have very solid programs Outside of football, the greatest impact will be on softball. I read that with the addition of TX and OU, the SEC will have 9 of the top 14 softball programs. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 27, 2021 15:08:56 GMT -5
UGA fans going to church this weekend praying Saban has retired and Dabo hasn't taken his place when this all takes place in 2025 or earlier. Not this UGA fan. Nor any that I know. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 27, 2021 15:49:45 GMT -5
UGA fans going to church this weekend praying Saban has retired and Dabo hasn't taken his place when this all takes place in 2025 or earlier. Not this UGA fan. Nor any that I know. So you are good with Auburn and Alabama being on the Eastern side of the conference. I mean I know Auburn is down, but they will be back up at some point as will Florida. Alabama and Florida in the same side means no more cake-walk Eastern Division regular season titles to get to the SEC Championship game matchup. Let s face it the East has looked pretty wretched for the last year or two. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 27, 2021 16:09:37 GMT -5
Not this UGA fan. Nor any that I know. So you are good with Auburn and Alabama being on the Eastern side of the conference. I mean I know Auburn is down, but they will be back up at some point as will Florida. Alabama and Florida in the same side means no more cake-walk Eastern Division regular season titles to get to the SEC Championship game matchup. Let s face it the East has looked pretty wretched for the last year or two. I couldn't care less. We've had to eventually play Bama in the SECCG or play a team that was good enough to beat them (LSU in 2019 and Auburn in 2017). I don't care about East titles, I care about the SEC title, so we have to play them (or someone as good or better) to eventually win the SEC. And I think we have a better shot at the CFP with them being in our division, assuming they end up in the East. If we go 11-1 with our only loss to Bama in the regular season, we have a great chance to make the CFP and get a rematch. And with the expanded playoff on the horizon, even a 10-2 season in the SEC will get us a bid to the new CFP. I'm not worried about Auburn, Tennessee or Florida. Tenn is a train wreck, Florida's best team in years needed us to have a walkon QB (who got hurt in the game) and a bunch of other injuries to beat us, and Auburn fired the guy who had a worse record against UGA (2-7) than he did against Bama (3-5), then replaced him with a guy from the other side of the country who was less successful than both of his predecessors at Boise. All that to say - I'm not even sure that Bama will be a regular opponent on our schedule. I think there's a good chance the SEC goes to a 4-team pod system or they'll just drop divisions altogether and do a rotation of teams whereby we will have a few permanent rivals (Florida & Auburn, maybe one more like S. Carolina) and then rotate the rest so that we play all teams in the conference much more frequently than we currently do, which I would be in favor of. As a season ticket holder, I'm tired of annual games vs. Vandy, Mizzou & UK. Dropping 2 or 3 of those from the every year rotation would be welcome news to me. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 27, 2021 16:10:03 GMT -5
Not this UGA fan. Nor any that I know. So you are good with Auburn and Alabama being on the Eastern side of the conference. I mean I know Auburn is down, but they will be back up at some point as will Florida. Alabama and Florida in the same side means no more cake-walk Eastern Division regular season titles to get to the SEC Championship game matchup. Let s face it the East has looked pretty wretched for the last year or two. UGA plays Auburn every year so that is no different. I actually think that Alabama being in the east would benefit Georgia. Georgia has led Alabama at half time of each of the last 3 meetings. Playing them on a yearly basis takes away some of the belief that Alabama is the boogeyman. As long as Mullen is at Florida, I am not worried about Florida. With the playoffs expanding to 12, I expect the SEC to get 4 or 5 teams in per year. A regular season win or loss to Alabama sets UGA up nicely for the playoffs, much more so that if the loss occurred in the SEC championship game, just before the playoffs are decided. 2 Alabama national titles occurred when they did not make the SEC Championship game. Saving the wear and tear of playing in the game has it benefits. |
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Post by rifle on Jul 27, 2021 18:01:12 GMT -5
UGA fans going to church this weekend praying Saban has retired and Dabo hasn't taken his place when this all takes place in 2025 or earlier. I married a seriously orange Clemson family and this will break them WHEN (not if) it happens. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 28, 2021 7:11:04 GMT -5
UGA fans going to church this weekend praying Saban has retired and Dabo hasn't taken his place when this all takes place in 2025 or earlier. I married a seriously orange Clemson family and this will break them WHEN (not if) it happens. See I have my thoughts that Dabo is too smart to leave the good thing he has at Clemson to follow to be the "next coach" after Saban. No coach after Saban will succeed. It may take 2-3 coaches before Bama finds someone as good as Saban once he retires. Why would Dabo walk into all that with a fanbase that is completely delusional like that and into a harder conference when he can get to a NC game anytime he wants by staying in the ACC? I don't think he accepts a position at Bama. Maybe when he is really old but it would be 10 years down the road at the earliest. Now all bets are off if the SEC sets off another round of expansion that gobbles the conferences up into 3 big 16 team conferences. I feel like the ACC may end up being one of the ones gobbled up unless they can solidify their 16 very soon. They have to convince Notre Dame to join fully for everything or cut ties with them and bring in 2 teams such as West Virginia and UCF or maybe another of the two teams in the Big 12 that will almost surely go away once Texas and Oklahoma leave it. Otherwise FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami will be picked off by another big conference. Money to atheletes will kill the middle and low tier teams in football. Some will likely decide they can't compete and go back to Division I. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 28, 2021 8:06:40 GMT -5
I married a seriously orange Clemson family and this will break them WHEN (not if) it happens. See I have my thoughts that Dabo is too smart to leave the good thing he has at Clemson to follow to be the "next coach" after Saban. No coach after Saban will succeed. It may take 2-3 coaches before Bama finds someone as good as Saban once he retires. Why would Dabo walk into all that with a fanbase that is completely delusional like that and into a harder conference when he can get to a NC game anytime he wants by staying in the ACC? I don't think he accepts a position at Bama. Maybe when he is really old but it would be 10 years down the road at the earliest. Now all bets are off if the SEC sets off another round of expansion that gobbles the conferences up into 3 big 16 team conferences. I feel like the ACC may end up being one of the ones gobbled up unless they can solidify their 16 very soon. They have to convince Notre Dame to join fully for everything or cut ties with them and bring in 2 teams such as West Virginia and UCF or maybe another of the two teams in the Big 12 that will almost surely go away once Texas and Oklahoma leave it. Otherwise FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami will be picked off by another big conference. Money to atheletes will kill the middle and low tier teams in football. Some will likely decide they can't compete and go back to Division I. I don't see Dabo going to Bama either. At least not to succeed Saban. I could see him going there to succeed whomever replaces Saban, maybe. I think he knows he can become the GOAT of Clemson football head coaches, whereas at Bama the best he can do is 3rd-best behind Saban and the Bear. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 28, 2021 8:12:27 GMT -5
See I have my thoughts that Dabo is too smart to leave the good thing he has at Clemson to follow to be the "next coach" after Saban. No coach after Saban will succeed. It may take 2-3 coaches before Bama finds someone as good as Saban once he retires. Why would Dabo walk into all that with a fanbase that is completely delusional like that and into a harder conference when he can get to a NC game anytime he wants by staying in the ACC? I don't think he accepts a position at Bama. Maybe when he is really old but it would be 10 years down the road at the earliest. Now all bets are off if the SEC sets off another round of expansion that gobbles the conferences up into 3 big 16 team conferences. I feel like the ACC may end up being one of the ones gobbled up unless they can solidify their 16 very soon. They have to convince Notre Dame to join fully for everything or cut ties with them and bring in 2 teams such as West Virginia and UCF or maybe another of the two teams in the Big 12 that will almost surely go away once Texas and Oklahoma leave it. Otherwise FSU, VT, Clemson, and Miami will be picked off by another big conference. Money to atheletes will kill the middle and low tier teams in football. Some will likely decide they can't compete and go back to Division I. I don't see Dabo going to Bama either. At least not to succeed Saban. I could see him going there to succeed whomever replaces Saban, maybe. I think he knows he can become the GOAT of Clemson football head coaches, whereas at Bama the best he can do is 3rd-best behind Saban and the Bear. Yep-Dabo is the Bowden of Clemson. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 28, 2021 8:44:23 GMT -5
I don't see Dabo going to Bama either. At least not to succeed Saban. I could see him going there to succeed whomever replaces Saban, maybe. I think he knows he can become the GOAT of Clemson football head coaches, whereas at Bama the best he can do is 3rd-best behind Saban and the Bear. Yep-Dabo is the Bowden of Clemson. Ironic considering he took over for Tommy Bowden. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jul 28, 2021 8:44:43 GMT -5
I don't see Dabo going to Bama either. At least not to succeed Saban. I could see him going there to succeed whomever replaces Saban, maybe. I think he knows he can become the GOAT of Clemson football head coaches, whereas at Bama the best he can do is 3rd-best behind Saban and the Bear. Yep-Dabo is the Bowden of Clemson. Assuming you mean the oldest Bowden... Bobby... not the Bowden that was head coach before Dabo... haha |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 28, 2021 9:04:14 GMT -5
Yep-Dabo is the Bowden of Clemson. Ironic considering he took over for Tommy Bowden. I was unsure of Daaaabo when he took over especially since the players are the ones who really pushed for him... |
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Post by bogan on Jul 28, 2021 9:04:32 GMT -5
Yep-Dabo is the Bowden of Clemson. Assuming you mean the oldest Bowden... Bobby... not the Bowden that was head coach before Dabo... haha Yes-Bobby. If I say Dooley, I mean Vince… |
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Post by bogan on Jul 28, 2021 9:12:06 GMT -5
Ironic considering he took over for Tommy Bowden. I was unsure of Daaaabo when he took over especially since the players are the ones who really pushed for him... Yeah-he was a former commercial real estate broker (and assistant coach). |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 28, 2021 9:38:17 GMT -5
Ironic considering he took over for Tommy Bowden. I was unsure of Daaaabo when he took over especially since the players are the ones who really pushed for him... Yep, it's why I caution fans who seem so sure of some coach being a "perfect/great hire" and pan someone who doesn't look great on paper. Dabo absolutely looked like a guy who wouldn't be coaching Clemson for more than 2-3 years. He'd never been a coordinator and was basically unknown. Tom Herman looked like a sure thing at Texas. Same for Scott Frost at Nebraska (jury still out, but early returns don't look great). Harbaugh at Michigan. RichRod at Michigan. The list goes on. Saban was the rare homerun hire that actually worked. Probably better than they imagined. Urban Meyer at Florida & Ohio State is another. Ton of respect for Dabo but hope we kick his teeth in on Sept 4th. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 28, 2021 9:50:31 GMT -5
I was unsure of Daaaabo when he took over especially since the players are the ones who really pushed for him... Yep, it's why I caution fans who seem so sure of some coach being a "perfect/great hire" and pan someone who doesn't look great on paper. Dabo absolutely looked like a guy who wouldn't be coaching Clemson for more than 2-3 years. He'd never been a coordinator and was basically unknown. Tom Herman looked like a sure thing at Texas. Same for Scott Frost at Nebraska (jury still out, but early returns don't look great). Harbaugh at Michigan. RichRod at Michigan. The list goes on. Saban was the rare homerun hire that actually worked. Probably better than they imagined. Urban Meyer at Florida & Ohio State is another. Ton of respect for Dabo but hope we kick his teeth in on Sept 4th. Dabo is like Ray Goff but he actually worked out. I think that Dabo is already the best coach in Clemson history. Some Clemson people may argue that is was Frank Howard. He won 165 but lost 118 for .580 win percentage. .670 win percentage in conference and 8 conference titles. Dabo has won 140 games and only lost 33 for .813 win percentage. 77-16 in conference for .828 win %. Has 6 conference titles and 2 national championships. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 28, 2021 10:09:42 GMT -5
Yep, it's why I caution fans who seem so sure of some coach being a "perfect/great hire" and pan someone who doesn't look great on paper. Dabo absolutely looked like a guy who wouldn't be coaching Clemson for more than 2-3 years. He'd never been a coordinator and was basically unknown. Tom Herman looked like a sure thing at Texas. Same for Scott Frost at Nebraska (jury still out, but early returns don't look great). Harbaugh at Michigan. RichRod at Michigan. The list goes on. Saban was the rare homerun hire that actually worked. Probably better than they imagined. Urban Meyer at Florida & Ohio State is another. Ton of respect for Dabo but hope we kick his teeth in on Sept 4th. Dabo is like Ray Goff but he actually worked out. I think that Dabo is already the best coach in Clemson history. Some Clemson people may argue that is was Frank Howard. He won 165 but lost 118 for .580 win percentage. .670 win percentage in conference and 8 conference titles. Dabo has won 140 games and only lost 33 for .813 win percentage. 77-16 in conference for .828 win %. Has 6 conference titles and 2 national championships. That name (Goff) brings back nightmares. I still remember the campus billboards that said “support the Goff team.” 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 28, 2021 10:09:48 GMT -5
Dabo has built a juggernaut for sure. very fertile recruiting grounds and South Carolina being terrible always helps.
I think what helps the most is the fact that FSU is struggling to stay a float and isn't anywhere near what they once where. Miami obviously is in the same boat, the thought was when miami joined the acc, that fsu and miami would play for the conference championship every year - I don't believe it's happened once.
They play georgia early this season, and then basically have the rest of the season off until the acc championship game. Outside of georgia, I dont' see another loss on their schedule.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 28, 2021 10:20:48 GMT -5
Dabo is like Ray Goff but he actually worked out. I think that Dabo is already the best coach in Clemson history. Some Clemson people may argue that is was Frank Howard. He won 165 but lost 118 for .580 win percentage. .670 win percentage in conference and 8 conference titles. Dabo has won 140 games and only lost 33 for .813 win percentage. 77-16 in conference for .828 win %. Has 6 conference titles and 2 national championships. That name (Goff) brings back nightmares. I still remember the campus billboards that said “support the Goff team.” 🙄🙄🙄 As a Tech fan I love Jim Donnan. He is every Georgia Tech fan's favorite coach. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 28, 2021 10:35:59 GMT -5
Dabo has built a juggernaut for sure. very fertile recruiting grounds and South Carolina being terrible always helps. I think what helps the most is the fact that FSU is struggling to stay a float and isn't anywhere near what they once where. Miami obviously is in the same boat, the thought was when miami joined the acc, that fsu and miami would play for the conference championship every year - I don't believe it's happened once. They play georgia early this season, and then basically have the rest of the season off until the acc championship game. Outside of georgia, I dont' see another loss on their schedule. Outside of Georgia, Clemson's schedule is bad. The second best team that they play is probably NC State, which is 10th in the others receiving votes in the AP preseason top 25. After UGA, they play: South Carolina State Georgia Tech NC State Boston College Syracuse Pitt FSU Louisville UConn Wake Forest South Carolina That is bad. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 28, 2021 11:29:51 GMT -5
That name (Goff) brings back nightmares. I still remember the campus billboards that said “support the Goff team.” 🙄🙄🙄 As a Tech fan I love Jim Donnan. He is every Georgia Tech fan's favorite coach. Ha! I’m sure! |
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Post by rifle on Jul 28, 2021 16:49:38 GMT -5
Dabo has built a juggernaut for sure. very fertile recruiting grounds and South Carolina being terrible always helps. I think what helps the most is the fact that FSU is struggling to stay a float and isn't anywhere near what they once where. Miami obviously is in the same boat, the thought was when miami joined the acc, that fsu and miami would play for the conference championship every year - I don't believe it's happened once. They play georgia early this season, and then basically have the rest of the season off until the acc championship game. Outside of georgia, I dont' see another loss on their schedule. Outside of Georgia, Clemson's schedule is bad. The second best team that they play is probably NC State, which is 10th in the others receiving votes in the AP preseason top 25. After UGA, they play: South Carolina State Georgia Tech NC State Boston College Syracuse Pitt FSU Louisville UConn Wake Forest South Carolina That is bad. No citadel this year? |
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