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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2021 6:59:58 GMT -5
Lynn Williams -- from alternate to an assist and a goal in the first.
have to assume there will be a sub made at half here. get lloyd out. she's taking up space.
Dahlkemper seems to have lost her mojo, she's not the same player she used to be.
take her out and drop Ertz back to center back, and bring in Rose.
The dutch play way way to slow. Too methodical and no urgency - they have so much talent, it's being wasted.
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Post by datrain on Jul 30, 2021 7:28:07 GMT -5
The US better find a goalie that knows how to dive. Both goals allowed were like watching a tree fall. Not good enough to be a starting National team goalie. Hope Solo in her prime makes both of those saves with ease.
In both this game and the opener, the goalie’s slow reaction time has to be seriously questioned
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2021 7:38:54 GMT -5
how do you make up for it --- save a PK. i knew it would happen!!
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2021 7:40:37 GMT -5
The US better find a goalie that knows how to dive. Both goals allowed were like watching a tree fall. Not good enough to be a starting National team goalie. Hope Solo in her prime makes both of those saves with ease. In both this game and the opener, the goalie’s slow reaction time has to be seriously questioned yeah well that goalie just saved our bacon, stopping a PK in the 80th minute that almost surely would've been the game winner for the Dutch. |
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Post by datrain on Jul 30, 2021 8:00:06 GMT -5
Just like Arlo White said, the shooter had a tendency to go to the goalie’s left…that was scouted and known
The PK attempt was dreadful…3 feet from the post with little oomph
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Post by justwatching on Jul 30, 2021 8:47:01 GMT -5
DUB!!!!!
Big win
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2021 8:47:44 GMT -5
Just like Arlo White said, the shooter had a tendency to go to the goalie’s left…that was scouted and known The PK attempt was dreadful…3 feet from the post with little oomph She just stopped 2 of 4 PK's in the shootout . . . USA on to the semis. |
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Post by justwatching on Jul 30, 2021 8:50:24 GMT -5
It is insane that all three teams from our group advanced to the semis.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2021 9:03:13 GMT -5
Bullet dodged.
In my opinion for not being a very good keeper, damn she can save some PKs, granted they were bad kicks, she still made the saves.
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Post by atv on Jul 30, 2021 9:03:32 GMT -5
Just like Arlo White said, the shooter had a tendency to go to the goalie’s left…that was scouted and known The PK attempt was dreadful…3 feet from the post with little oomph She just stopped 2 of 4 PK's in the shootout . . . USA on to the semis. I’ll have to watch the replay but AN is quality and one of the top goal keepers in the world. Stopping 2 of 4 PK’’s is outstanding! |
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Post by nole95 on Jul 30, 2021 9:34:00 GMT -5
Truly a game of inches. If not for a couple of very close offsides calls, the US puts up 4 goals in this game.
Has any team in any tournament had more goals called back for offside than the US has in this tourney?
Going back to Morgan being called offside for what looked like a finger in the Australia game, does having a finger, toe, elbow, etc. offside really give the offensive player an advantage over the defense? I really wish calling offside would be only for clear and obvious reasons.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2021 9:59:18 GMT -5
Truly a game of inches. If not for a couple of very close offsides calls, the US puts up 4 goals in this game. Has any team in any tournament had more goals called back for offside than the US has in this tourney? Going back to Morgan being called offside for what looked like a finger in the Australia game, does having a finger, toe, elbow, etc. offside really give the offensive player an advantage over the defense? I really wish calling offside would be only for clear and obvious reasons. Saw a stat after the game that listed the most offside calls in the Olympics and the U.S. was well above the rest. And your question about advantage is something I've always wondered. I personally wish the rule was changed such that your entire body has to be past the defender in order to be considered offside. I doubt that would ever happen, but who knows. IMO, it's only when an offensive player is clearly PAST the last defender that the offensive player has any real advantage. Their elbow past the line is not an advantage. Also ridiculously dumb part of offside rule: corner kick situation when it's kicked short to another teammate, then the corner-taker steps into the field of play and receives the ball back but is in an offside position . . . . meanwhile the defense has almost their entire team in or around the box. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Jul 30, 2021 10:10:19 GMT -5
The US better find a goalie that knows how to dive. Both goals allowed were like watching a tree fall. Not good enough to be a starting National team goalie. Hope Solo in her prime makes both of those saves with ease. In both this game and the opener, the goalie’s slow reaction time has to be seriously questioned Well, this was a bit premature. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jul 30, 2021 11:40:54 GMT -5
Truly a game of inches. If not for a couple of very close offsides calls, the US puts up 4 goals in this game. Has any team in any tournament had more goals called back for offside than the US has in this tourney? Going back to Morgan being called offside for what looked like a finger in the Australia game, does having a finger, toe, elbow, etc. offside really give the offensive player an advantage over the defense? I really wish calling offside would be only for clear and obvious reasons. Saw a stat after the game that listed the most offside calls in the Olympics and the U.S. was well above the rest. And your question about advantage is something I've always wondered. I personally wish the rule was changed such that your entire body has to be past the defender in order to be considered offside. I doubt that would ever happen, but who knows. IMO, it's only when an offensive player is clearly PAST the last defender that the offensive player has any real advantage. Their elbow past the line is not an advantage. Also ridiculously dumb part of offside rule: corner kick situation when it's kicked short to another teammate, then the corner-taker steps into the field of play and receives the ball back but is in an offside position . . . . meanwhile the defense has almost their entire team in or around the box. Arsene Wenger wants the rule changed to state that a player is offsides only if a part of their body that can score a goal is offsides. Thus an arm or hand would not cause a player to be considered offsides. Currently, a player pointing to space would be considered offsides of their hand is beyond the defender. Offsides is definitely a touchy subject. We Americans want the rule relaxed so more goals can be scored, and it has been that way for decades. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 30, 2021 11:54:51 GMT -5
The real thing that has changed is VAR where they can take electronic lines and get it down to exact measurements. Before that, it had to be something that an AR could observe.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 30, 2021 12:17:08 GMT -5
Was this changed recently? I thought offside was only called when a playable body part (head/leg/torso) was in an offside position. Hence a hand/arm offside doesn't warrant an offside call.
I checked:
A player is in an offside position if:
any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
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Post by atv on Jul 30, 2021 12:27:42 GMT -5
ESPN on Alyssa Naeher
Naeher is the hero. If it weren't for goalkeeper Alyssa Naeher, the USWNT would not be facing the final four of the Olympic women's football tournament. Period.
The 33-year-old stepped up during regulation in the 81st minute to deny a poorly taken Lieke Martens penalty, but it was in the penalty shootout where Naeher really shined. She plucked a shot from the lethal Miedema out of the air on the first kick, immediately giving the USWNT the upper hand, and then she saved the Netherland's fourth kick, from defender Aniek Nouwen, to clinch the win.
For Naeher, this may go down as the signature game of her tenure with the USWNT, the game that finally removed any and all doubt that she's earned her spot as the USWNT's starter in goal. After all, Naeher has often played in the shadow of Hope Solo and Brianna Scurry, the two USWNT goalkeepers that came before her, each of them earning a place in the conversation of the greatest goalkeepers of all-time.
Part of the hesitance from pundits and fans to accept Naeher as the heir to the position may be due to how she initially got the job. Hope Solo famously said Sweden played like "a bunch of cowards" in the 2016 Olympics and after other off-the-field issues, U.S. Soccer had had enough and kicked Solo off the team. Then-coach Jill Ellis quickly anointed Naeher as her replacement despite Naeher having just seven caps at the time, and Ellis never wavered from it, even early on when Naeher didn't look quite ready.
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Post by nole95 on Jul 30, 2021 12:43:14 GMT -5
Was this changed recently? I thought offside was only called when a playable body part (head/leg/torso) was in an offside position. Hence a hand/arm offside doesn't warrant an offside call. I checked: A player is in an offside position if: any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. That’s clearly not how the rule was applied to Alex Morgan in the Australia game a few days ago. It was literally her finger or elbow that was offside. For whatever reason , I guess they included the finger or elbow in that “body” portion of the rule. In no way did Morgan have any advantage in that situation. |
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Post by datrain on Jul 30, 2021 12:55:08 GMT -5
ESPN on Alyssa Naeher Naeher is the hero. If it weren't for goalkeeper Alyssa Naeher, the USWNT would not be facing the final four of the Olympic women's football tournament. Period. The 33-year-old stepped up during regulation in the 81st minute to deny a poorly taken Lieke Martens penalty, but it was in the penalty shootout where Naeher really shined. She plucked a shot from the lethal Miedema out of the air on the first kick, immediately giving the USWNT the upper hand, and then she saved the Netherland's fourth kick, from defender Aniek Nouwen, to clinch the win. For Naeher, this may go down as the signature game of her tenure with the USWNT, the game that finally removed any and all doubt that she's earned her spot as the USWNT's starter in goal. After all, Naeher has often played in the shadow of Hope Solo and Brianna Scurry, the two USWNT goalkeepers that came before her, each of them earning a place in the conversation of the greatest goalkeepers of all-time. Part of the hesitance from pundits and fans to accept Naeher as the heir to the position may be due to how she initially got the job. Hope Solo famously said Sweden played like "a bunch of cowards" in the 2016 Olympics and after other off-the-field issues, U.S. Soccer had had enough and kicked Solo off the team. Then-coach Jill Ellis quickly anointed Naeher as her replacement despite Naeher having just seven caps at the time, and Ellis never wavered from it, even early on when Naeher didn't look quite ready. Respectfully disagree…this game should never have gotten to PKs in the first place Solo and Scurry easily make those saves Tim Krul is the best at saving PKs …but he is far from a great keeper |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2021 13:12:55 GMT -5
Saw a stat after the game that listed the most offside calls in the Olympics and the U.S. was well above the rest. And your question about advantage is something I've always wondered. I personally wish the rule was changed such that your entire body has to be past the defender in order to be considered offside. I doubt that would ever happen, but who knows. IMO, it's only when an offensive player is clearly PAST the last defender that the offensive player has any real advantage. Their elbow past the line is not an advantage. Also ridiculously dumb part of offside rule: corner kick situation when it's kicked short to another teammate, then the corner-taker steps into the field of play and receives the ball back but is in an offside position . . . . meanwhile the defense has almost their entire team in or around the box. Arsene Wenger wants the rule changed to state that a player is offsides only if a part of their body that can score a goal is offsides. Thus an arm or hand would not cause a player to be considered offsides. Currently, a player pointing to space would be considered offsides of their hand is beyond the defender. Offsides is definitely a touchy subject. We Americans want the rule relaxed so more goals can be scored, and it has been that way for decades. Wenger's idea has merit. How is it an advantage if the part offsides can't score a goal. Agreed. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Jul 30, 2021 13:23:59 GMT -5
Arsene Wenger wants the rule changed to state that a player is offsides only if a part of their body that can score a goal is offsides. Thus an arm or hand would not cause a player to be considered offsides. Currently, a player pointing to space would be considered offsides of their hand is beyond the defender. Offsides is definitely a touchy subject. We Americans want the rule relaxed so more goals can be scored, and it has been that way for decades. Wenger's idea has merit. How is it an advantage if the part offsides can't score a goal. Agreed. As nole95 pointed out, that is actually the rule. Of course, it is almost impossible to determine this in real time with grown ups moving at full speed. |
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Post by atv on Jul 30, 2021 13:46:43 GMT -5
LOL … ESPN article never compared Naeher to Solo. I personally think Hope is a legend and arguably one of the best players ever to take the field for the USWNT. However, Naeher has been the main USWNT goal keeper since 2016 and has been very consistent. In that time period they have won half a dozen cups including the World Cup and She Believes Cup and ranked #1 in the world for much of it.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2021 14:09:03 GMT -5
Wenger's idea has merit. How is it an advantage if the part offsides can't score a goal. Agreed. As nole95 pointed out, that is actually the rule. Of course, it is almost impossible to determine this in real time with grown ups moving at full speed. Yes which is why I would have liked to see the VAR using lines like they do with EPL. Several goals called back were clearly offsides but I am not convinced all of them were. Also the rules are open to interpretation, it seems, as clearly there was at least one mistake here with Alex Morgan. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jul 30, 2021 14:27:48 GMT -5
Lynn Williams -- from alternate to an assist and a goal in the first. have to assume there will be a sub made at half here. get lloyd out. she's taking up space.Dahlkemper seems to have lost her mojo, she's not the same player she used to be. take her out and drop Ertz back to center back, and bring in Rose. The dutch play way way to slow. Too methodical and no urgency - they have so much talent, it's being wasted. I have said this ( in Bold) for quite sometime. Same with Rapinoe. Sorry, but they are past their prime. Use them as super-subs in the 2nd half of a game if you need fresh legs or a change for "change-sake". |
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Post by atv on Jul 30, 2021 14:48:48 GMT -5
On offsides … I have a strong personal belief Youth Soccer Referees get it wrong 50-percent of the time. The close ones are almost impossible to call and IMO should only be called when clearly obvious.
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2021 15:29:36 GMT -5
Just do away with offside all together. Let them run free…
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2021 15:32:13 GMT -5
Just do away with offside all together. Let them run free… 'Murica |
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Post by bolo on Jul 30, 2021 15:33:51 GMT -5
As nole95 pointed out, that is actually the rule. Of course, it is almost impossible to determine this in real time with grown ups moving at full speed. Yes which is why I would have liked to see the VAR using lines like they do with EPL. Several goals called back were clearly offsides but I am not convinced all of them were. Also the rules are open to interpretation, it seems, as clearly there was at least one mistake here with Alex Morgan. The VAR use in the games that I've watched has been puzzling at best. Generally short checks, or no checks at all for things that probably should be. And for some reason- as Julie Foudy pointed out late in today's game when they were checking offside on the goal that Netherlands had disallowed in extra time- they seem loathe to show any replays of the plays that are being reviewed. Almost like they don't want the viewers or announcers to be able to form their own opinions. Which honestly isn't that surprising, the more I think about it. Agree with everyone above though, if only your hand is offside, you are not- or at least should not be- offside. Soccer needs more opportunities to score, not fewer. Don't "litigate" the game into submission. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jul 30, 2021 16:46:12 GMT -5
The real thing that has changed is VAR where they can take electronic lines and get it down to exact measurements. Before that, it had to be something that an AR could observe. Personally I hate how VAR is used for offsides. VAR is supposed to correct clear & obvious errors. Yet to determine offsides they get the lines out and separate a blade of grass when necessary to determine offsides. IMO if they want to use VAR as they are for offsides, then stop calling it on the field and use electronic officiating for it exclusively. They can just associate it with the goal system and have the ref receive a signal if the player was offsides. It would be better to have that signal sent 5-10 seconds after the actual offsides, as opposed to an eventual VAR decision sometimes minutes after when they determine someone was offsides during the buildup of a play. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jul 30, 2021 16:47:55 GMT -5
Was this changed recently? I thought offside was only called when a playable body part (head/leg/torso) was in an offside position. Hence a hand/arm offside doesn't warrant an offside call. I checked: A player is in an offside position if: any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. That might be how it is written, but it certainly isn't how it is applied all the time. There have been times I have watched games and seen players ruled offsides by a small margin and it was their hand or arm. |
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