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Post by bogan on Sept 16, 2021 17:18:12 GMT -5
Why can’t we all just get along and like Mayo-chup?
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Post by justwatching on Sept 16, 2021 19:19:21 GMT -5
Not looking for a debate but I'm actually interested in hearing your perspective if you think things like redlining, segregation of schools, racial discrimination in mortgage lending, disparity in criminal sentences, bias in policing, etc. are not systemic issues negatively affecting black people in this country? Obviously, I have my own opinion about this and it is very clear to me that these "systems" are impactful to that group of people but I am interested in the thoughts of a person where this is not the case in your mind. Why/how do you see these practices? Are they myths? Not impactful? Happened a long time ago and not relevant anymore? I was waiting for someone to turn a gender issue into a race issue once again on a soccer forum and I was not let down. Is this the Georgia Political Forum? You can feel free to answer as well. What the thread was about didn't really matter. I was interested in hearing a perspective from a guy who clearly is opposite from mine to understand how he is logically coming to the conclusions he has voiced on here many times. If you feel the same way as him I'm interested in hearing from you. You can send a private message if you feel like the open forum is not a good place for the discussion |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 16, 2021 21:35:25 GMT -5
Why is USWNT playing Paraguay?
9-0 really.
Your just wasting everyone's time.
USA keeper didn't even have a single save.
32 shots to 1
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Post by bogan on Sept 17, 2021 5:22:18 GMT -5
Why is USWNT playing Paraguay? 9-0 really. Your just wasting everyone's time. USA keeper didn't even have a single save. 32 shots to 1 Did they ask her if she (GK) wanted a chair and some lemonade? |
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 17, 2021 10:14:12 GMT -5
Somebody is off their meds again. |bc I point out slickdaddy96 is a nutter who foams at chance to denigrate women & use word WOKE| |check first page of thread slickdaddy96 use woke 10 times make him feel street tough from suburbia| |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 17, 2021 19:19:38 GMT -5
Somebody is off their meds again. |bc I point out slickdaddy96 is a nutter who foams at chance to denigrate women & use word WOKE| |check first page of thread slickdaddy96 use woke 10 times make him feel street tough from suburbia| Snowflakes prattling on about "woke" have fantasies about themselves that could fill a psych volume. Probably does, actually. Best just to ignore their whining and move on. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 18, 2021 2:47:17 GMT -5
Why is USWNT playing Paraguay? 9-0 really. Your just wasting everyone's time. USA keeper didn't even have a single save. 32 shots to 1 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 18, 2021 9:58:47 GMT -5
Why is USWNT playing Paraguay? 9-0 really. Your just wasting everyone's time. USA keeper didn't even have a single save. 32 shots to 1 They are padding her stats. I am all for celebrating her career but I think he should have subbed her out and let the younger players in. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 20, 2021 7:20:20 GMT -5
|bc I point out slickdaddy96 is a nutter who foams at chance to denigrate women & use word WOKE| |check first page of thread slickdaddy96 use woke 10 times make him feel street tough from suburbia| Snowflakes prattling on about "woke" have fantasies about themselves that could fill a psych volume. Probably does, actually. Best just to ignore their whining and move on. Funny you are defending a person who is basically a troll and can't even type a bit of fluent English to understand most things she even says? I would appreciate it more if she just wrote it out in her native language and I can decipher or translate it myself. At least then she wouldn't come off the way she does. I can't tell if she is a troll most of the time or someone that generally just doesn't know good English typing wise. |
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 20, 2021 7:30:41 GMT -5
Snowflakes prattling on about "woke" have fantasies about themselves that could fill a psych volume. Probably does, actually. Best just to ignore their whining and move on. Funny you are defending a person who is basically a troll and can't even type a bit of fluent English to understand most things she even says? I would appreciate it more if she just wrote it out in her native language and I can decipher or translate it myself. At least then she wouldn't come off the way she does. I can't tell if she is a troll most of the time or someone that generally just doesn't know good English typing wise. |me only have googly eyes for you, my woke fiend| |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 20, 2021 7:40:21 GMT -5
Not looking for a debate but I'm actually interested in hearing your perspective if you think things like redlining, segregation of schools, racial discrimination in mortgage lending, disparity in criminal sentences, bias in policing, etc. are not systemic issues negatively affecting black people in this country? Obviously, I have my own opinion about this and it is very clear to me that these "systems" are impactful to that group of people but I am interested in the thoughts of a person where this is not the case in your mind. Why/how do you see these practices? Are they myths? Not impactful? Happened a long time ago and not relevant anymore? I do think all of those things existed and not even in the very distant past. I do think that 99% of that has been done away: 1) redlining - mortgage companies and banks fined and more regulation put on them 2) segregation - no true segregation has happened since the Supreme Court decision to desegregate. I found recently that it is the minorities that self segregate in schools now not whites. For instance an Atlanta Public Principal was in the news just recently segregating all their minorities into 2 classes while all the white people were in 3 other classes. A black parent actually complained about it, and the Principal's response was she was doing it for the child's own good so that he wouldn't be mad fun of and made to feel dumb. I'm like wow.... Really? 3) sentencing issues - I believe Trump's prison reform helped a lot of this, but it was only the first step. I think sentencing is better than it was previously due this, but I believe more needs to be done for there to be less prison time for non-violent offenders no matter what race especially on just simple drug possession crimes as I think they need treatment not jail. Now the people distributing and or transporting need to be put in jail just as long as they always have though. I think the prison issue is more a socio-economic issue not racial. That system is indeed made so that high paying lawyers win cases and if you don't have that money then you may get the short end of the stick. As I said though, I think that is across racial boundaries and is more of a socio-economic problem not racial. We also can't discount the fact that these people all did something illegal to begin with or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. Personal responsibility still trumps all this. 4) Bias in policing - there are issues here but I still don't believe the vast majority of police in this country are out being biased toward minorities. I think there are some bad police and the good police need to police their own and get rid of the bad apples, but by far I still don't think it is systemic. Not every police shooting or altercation is racist. In fact 99.9% of them are not. People always forget 99.9% of the time when a shooting or altercation happens it was the suspect that escalated things by not listening and following the officer's directions. The road side is not the place to try to practice law. If you feel like you are getting a raw deal you will have your day in court to say your case. There are some FBI statistics that also shed light on the disproportionate amount of blacks stopped and/or arrested over other races. The majority of violent crimes committed in America are by people of the black race. Look up the stat I am correct on this. The black population is about 13% of America as well. So a disproportionate amount of blacks versus the rest of the population have to be committing violent crimes in this country based on the statistics alone. That would also meant that police are going to have more encounters with people of the black race, and statistically those interactions are indeed more likely to escalate. I know people will crap all over all of this, but I am a very logic and statistics driven person. The stats don't lie. People try to sugar coat them and blame other things or ignore the stats but they are true none-the-less. I agree at one point there were a lot of systems in place that not only held down minorities but also anyone that was poor or any race. I believe most if not all of those barriers have had light shown on them and are not holding motivated people back in any significant way anymore. I believe people are still bringing up these old barriers as an excuse to not be motivated to succeed on their own at this point. You may disagree but those are my thoughts. |
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Post by justwatching on Sept 20, 2021 8:15:42 GMT -5
Not looking for a debate but I'm actually interested in hearing your perspective if you think things like redlining, segregation of schools, racial discrimination in mortgage lending, disparity in criminal sentences, bias in policing, etc. are not systemic issues negatively affecting black people in this country? Obviously, I have my own opinion about this and it is very clear to me that these "systems" are impactful to that group of people but I am interested in the thoughts of a person where this is not the case in your mind. Why/how do you see these practices? Are they myths? Not impactful? Happened a long time ago and not relevant anymore? I do think all of those things existed and not even in the very distant past. I do think that 99% of that has been done away: 1) redlining - mortgage companies and banks fined and more regulation put on them 2) segregation - no true segregation has happened since the Supreme Court decision to desegregate. I found recently that it is the minorities that self segregate in schools now not whites. For instance an Atlanta Public Principal was in the news just recently segregating all their minorities into 2 classes while all the white people were in 3 other classes. A black parent actually complained about it, and the Principal's response was she was doing it for the child's own good so that he wouldn't be mad fun of and made to feel dumb. I'm like wow.... Really? 3) sentencing issues - I believe Trump's prison reform helped a lot of this, but it was only the first step. I think sentencing is better than it was previously due this, but I believe more needs to be done for there to be less prison time for non-violent offenders no matter what race especially on just simple drug possession crimes as I think they need treatment not jail. Now the people distributing and or transporting need to be put in jail just as long as they always have though. I think the prison issue is more a socio-economic issue not racial. That system is indeed made so that high paying lawyers win cases and if you don't have that money then you may get the short end of the stick. As I said though, I think that is across racial boundaries and is more of a socio-economic problem not racial. We also can't discount the fact that these people all did something illegal to begin with or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. Personal responsibility still trumps all this. 4) Bias in policing - there are issues here but I still don't believe the vast majority of police in this country are out being biased toward minorities. I think there are some bad police and the good police need to police their own and get rid of the bad apples, but by far I still don't think it is systemic. Not every police shooting or altercation is racist. In fact 99.9% of them are not. People always forget 99.9% of the time when a shooting or altercation happens it was the suspect that escalated things by not listening and following the officer's directions. The road side is not the place to try to practice law. If you feel like you are getting a raw deal you will have your day in court to say your case. There are some FBI statistics that also shed light on the disproportionate amount of blacks stopped and/or arrested over other races. The majority of violent crimes committed in America are by people of the black race. Look up the stat I am correct on this. The black population is about 13% of America as well. So a disproportionate amount of blacks versus the rest of the population have to be committing violent crimes in this country based on the statistics alone. That would also meant that police are going to have more encounters with people of the black race, and statistically those interactions are indeed more likely to escalate. I know people will crap all over all of this, but I am a very logic and statistics driven person. The stats don't lie. People try to sugar coat them and blame other things or ignore the stats but they are true none-the-less. I agree at one point there were a lot of systems in place that not only held down minorities but also anyone that was poor or any race. I believe most if not all of those barriers have had light shown on them and are not holding motivated people back in any significant way anymore. I believe people are still bringing up these old barriers as an excuse to not be motivated to succeed on their own at this point. You may disagree but those are my thoughts. I do disagree with some of what you wrote and also understand some of it can be considered true depending on the stats you look at, how in-depth you go into them, and by looking at them on the surface without context or the series of events that lead to them. But I do appreciate your response. As I said I don't want to debate and turn this thread to a back and forth I just often have a really hard time understanding the thought process of the other side and what they would say is logical to them. So thank you for taking the time to offer yours. Just a really quick point/example/whatever to your statement on the Atlanta school stuff you mentioned. My daughter was in a similar situation but at a vastly majority white school. Almost all the black students including her were intentionally put in classrooms together and it wasn't due to the minorities wanting to segregate from the others. And the last question I have is even if you think most of the systems have been done away with in 2021 do you really think the impact of those systems aren't effecting these groups right now today and will for many years to come? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 20, 2021 9:23:25 GMT -5
I agree that the re-segregation of minority students (sometimes by choice) is disturbing. We're coming full circle from the civil rights movement.
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Post by justwatching on Sept 20, 2021 10:14:42 GMT -5
Not looking for a debate but I'm actually interested in hearing your perspective if you think things like redlining, segregation of schools, racial discrimination in mortgage lending, disparity in criminal sentences, bias in policing, etc. are not systemic issues negatively affecting black people in this country? Obviously, I have my own opinion about this and it is very clear to me that these "systems" are impactful to that group of people but I am interested in the thoughts of a person where this is not the case in your mind. Why/how do you see these practices? Are they myths? Not impactful? Happened a long time ago and not relevant anymore? I do think all of those things existed and not even in the very distant past. I do think that 99% of that has been done away: 1) redlining - mortgage companies and banks fined and more regulation put on them 2) segregation - no true segregation has happened since the Supreme Court decision to desegregate. I found recently that it is the minorities that self segregate in schools now not whites. For instance an Atlanta Public Principal was in the news just recently segregating all their minorities into 2 classes while all the white people were in 3 other classes. A black parent actually complained about it, and the Principal's response was she was doing it for the child's own good so that he wouldn't be mad fun of and made to feel dumb. I'm like wow.... Really? 3) sentencing issues - I believe Trump's prison reform helped a lot of this, but it was only the first step. I think sentencing is better than it was previously due this, but I believe more needs to be done for there to be less prison time for non-violent offenders no matter what race especially on just simple drug possession crimes as I think they need treatment not jail. Now the people distributing and or transporting need to be put in jail just as long as they always have though. I think the prison issue is more a socio-economic issue not racial. That system is indeed made so that high paying lawyers win cases and if you don't have that money then you may get the short end of the stick. As I said though, I think that is across racial boundaries and is more of a socio-economic problem not racial. We also can't discount the fact that these people all did something illegal to begin with or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. Personal responsibility still trumps all this. 4) Bias in policing - there are issues here but I still don't believe the vast majority of police in this country are out being biased toward minorities. I think there are some bad police and the good police need to police their own and get rid of the bad apples, but by far I still don't think it is systemic. Not every police shooting or altercation is racist. In fact 99.9% of them are not. People always forget 99.9% of the time when a shooting or altercation happens it was the suspect that escalated things by not listening and following the officer's directions. The road side is not the place to try to practice law. If you feel like you are getting a raw deal you will have your day in court to say your case. There are some FBI statistics that also shed light on the disproportionate amount of blacks stopped and/or arrested over other races. The majority of violent crimes committed in America are by people of the black race. Look up the stat I am correct on this. The black population is about 13% of America as well. So a disproportionate amount of blacks versus the rest of the population have to be committing violent crimes in this country based on the statistics alone. That would also meant that police are going to have more encounters with people of the black race, and statistically those interactions are indeed more likely to escalate. I know people will crap all over all of this, but I am a very logic and statistics driven person. The stats don't lie. People try to sugar coat them and blame other things or ignore the stats but they are true none-the-less. I agree at one point there were a lot of systems in place that not only held down minorities but also anyone that was poor or any race. I believe most if not all of those barriers have had light shown on them and are not holding motivated people back in any significant way anymore. I believe people are still bringing up these old barriers as an excuse to not be motivated to succeed on their own at this point. You may disagree but those are my thoughts. I didn't put this in my original response but I felt that this gets missed by so many (not saying that you are because I don't know you). But one thing you have to remember is that all racial bias against black people isn't only from white people or other races. There is plenty of negative racial bias that has been programmed into black people about themselves through many different means that I won't try to elaborate on. I include this because of your statement about the Atlanta principal (assuming he/she was black based on your comment) made about not wanting the kid to feel "dumb" so grouping the students together in classes. My daughter's principal's (she is white) reasoning to us was "she wanted the kids to feel comfortable". Lastly, I have an in-law that is a police officer and he describes how he responds to identical situations with different races of people and he is honest that he and the many other officers that are in his unit approach the situations very differently depending on the race of the individual they are dealing with. He tries to be more understanding and remove the bias as much as he can in the situation as he is a young black man and understands the ingrained tension and bias that is there but he is honest that it doesn't always happen and that some of his counterparts do not try to remove that mental bias at all. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 20, 2021 10:20:18 GMT -5
I do think all of those things existed and not even in the very distant past. I do think that 99% of that has been done away: 1) redlining - mortgage companies and banks fined and more regulation put on them 2) segregation - no true segregation has happened since the Supreme Court decision to desegregate. I found recently that it is the minorities that self segregate in schools now not whites. For instance an Atlanta Public Principal was in the news just recently segregating all their minorities into 2 classes while all the white people were in 3 other classes. A black parent actually complained about it, and the Principal's response was she was doing it for the child's own good so that he wouldn't be mad fun of and made to feel dumb. I'm like wow.... Really? 3) sentencing issues - I believe Trump's prison reform helped a lot of this, but it was only the first step. I think sentencing is better than it was previously due this, but I believe more needs to be done for there to be less prison time for non-violent offenders no matter what race especially on just simple drug possession crimes as I think they need treatment not jail. Now the people distributing and or transporting need to be put in jail just as long as they always have though. I think the prison issue is more a socio-economic issue not racial. That system is indeed made so that high paying lawyers win cases and if you don't have that money then you may get the short end of the stick. As I said though, I think that is across racial boundaries and is more of a socio-economic problem not racial. We also can't discount the fact that these people all did something illegal to begin with or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. Personal responsibility still trumps all this. 4) Bias in policing - there are issues here but I still don't believe the vast majority of police in this country are out being biased toward minorities. I think there are some bad police and the good police need to police their own and get rid of the bad apples, but by far I still don't think it is systemic. Not every police shooting or altercation is racist. In fact 99.9% of them are not. People always forget 99.9% of the time when a shooting or altercation happens it was the suspect that escalated things by not listening and following the officer's directions. The road side is not the place to try to practice law. If you feel like you are getting a raw deal you will have your day in court to say your case. There are some FBI statistics that also shed light on the disproportionate amount of blacks stopped and/or arrested over other races. The majority of violent crimes committed in America are by people of the black race. Look up the stat I am correct on this. The black population is about 13% of America as well. So a disproportionate amount of blacks versus the rest of the population have to be committing violent crimes in this country based on the statistics alone. That would also meant that police are going to have more encounters with people of the black race, and statistically those interactions are indeed more likely to escalate. I know people will crap all over all of this, but I am a very logic and statistics driven person. The stats don't lie. People try to sugar coat them and blame other things or ignore the stats but they are true none-the-less. I agree at one point there were a lot of systems in place that not only held down minorities but also anyone that was poor or any race. I believe most if not all of those barriers have had light shown on them and are not holding motivated people back in any significant way anymore. I believe people are still bringing up these old barriers as an excuse to not be motivated to succeed on their own at this point. You may disagree but those are my thoughts. I didn't put this in my original response but I felt that this gets missed by so many (not saying that you are because I don't know you). But one thing you have to remember is that all racial bias against black people isn't only from white people or other races. There is plenty of negative racial bias that has been programmed into black people about themselves through many different means that I won't try to elaborate on. I include this because of your statement about the Atlanta principal (assuming he/she was black based on your comment) made about not wanting the kid to feel "dumb" so grouping the students together in classes. My daughter's principal's (she is white) reasoning to us was "she wanted the kids to feel comfortable". Lastly, I have an in-law that is a police officer and he describes how he responds to identical situations with different races of people and he is honest that he and the many other officers that are in his unit approach the situations very differently depending on the race of the individual they are dealing with. He tries to be more understanding and remove the bias as much as he can in the situation as he is a young black man and understands the ingrained tension and bias that is there but he is honest that it doesn't always happen and that some of his counterparts do not try to remove that mental bias at all. How does it get “fixed?” |
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Post by mistergrinch on Sept 20, 2021 11:30:57 GMT -5
Somebody is off their meds again. |bc I point out slickdaddy96 is a nutter who foams at chance to denigrate women & use word WOKE| |check first page of thread slickdaddy96 use woke 10 times make him feel street tough from suburbia| I was referring to him, not you.. |
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Post by rifle on Sept 20, 2021 19:04:53 GMT -5
Not looking for a debate but I'm actually interested in hearing your perspective if you think things like redlining, segregation of schools, racial discrimination in mortgage lending, disparity in criminal sentences, bias in policing, etc. are not systemic issues negatively affecting black people in this country? Obviously, I have my own opinion about this and it is very clear to me that these "systems" are impactful to that group of people but I am interested in the thoughts of a person where this is not the case in your mind. Why/how do you see these practices? Are they myths? Not impactful? Happened a long time ago and not relevant anymore? I do think all of those things existed and not even in the very distant past. I do think that 99% of that has been done away: 1) redlining - mortgage companies and banks fined and more regulation put on them 2) segregation - no true segregation has happened since the Supreme Court decision to desegregate. I found recently that it is the minorities that self segregate in schools now not whites. For instance an Atlanta Public Principal was in the news just recently segregating all their minorities into 2 classes while all the white people were in 3 other classes. A black parent actually complained about it, and the Principal's response was she was doing it for the child's own good so that he wouldn't be mad fun of and made to feel dumb. I'm like wow.... Really? 3) sentencing issues - I believe Trump's prison reform helped a lot of this, but it was only the first step. I think sentencing is better than it was previously due this, but I believe more needs to be done for there to be less prison time for non-violent offenders no matter what race especially on just simple drug possession crimes as I think they need treatment not jail. Now the people distributing and or transporting need to be put in jail just as long as they always have though. I think the prison issue is more a socio-economic issue not racial. That system is indeed made so that high paying lawyers win cases and if you don't have that money then you may get the short end of the stick. As I said though, I think that is across racial boundaries and is more of a socio-economic problem not racial. We also can't discount the fact that these people all did something illegal to begin with or they wouldn't be in the situation they are in. Personal responsibility still trumps all this. 4) Bias in policing - there are issues here but I still don't believe the vast majority of police in this country are out being biased toward minorities. I think there are some bad police and the good police need to police their own and get rid of the bad apples, but by far I still don't think it is systemic. Not every police shooting or altercation is racist. In fact 99.9% of them are not. People always forget 99.9% of the time when a shooting or altercation happens it was the suspect that escalated things by not listening and following the officer's directions. The road side is not the place to try to practice law. If you feel like you are getting a raw deal you will have your day in court to say your case. There are some FBI statistics that also shed light on the disproportionate amount of blacks stopped and/or arrested over other races. The majority of violent crimes committed in America are by people of the black race. Look up the stat I am correct on this. The black population is about 13% of America as well. So a disproportionate amount of blacks versus the rest of the population have to be committing violent crimes in this country based on the statistics alone. That would also meant that police are going to have more encounters with people of the black race, and statistically those interactions are indeed more likely to escalate. I know people will crap all over all of this, but I am a very logic and statistics driven person. The stats don't lie. People try to sugar coat them and blame other things or ignore the stats but they are true none-the-less. I agree at one point there were a lot of systems in place that not only held down minorities but also anyone that was poor or any race. I believe most if not all of those barriers have had light shown on them and are not holding motivated people back in any significant way anymore. I believe people are still bringing up these old barriers as an excuse to not be motivated to succeed on their own at this point. You may disagree but those are my thoughts. Appreciate the brain dump. One thing that was eye opening to me (white bread/corn fed Midwesterner who has lived in six different states) that I want to share related to practicing law on the side of the road. Notwithstanding the very real socioeconomic connection to a good legal defense.. Imagine being pulled over for driving while black. But calmly taking the ticket because it’s better to fight it in court. Then walking up to the courthouse… that is supposed to be the place where you will be treated fairly… and having to walk right past statues of civil war generals on your way into the courthouse. It’s not even a little bit subtle. |
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Post by flix on Sept 20, 2021 20:15:22 GMT -5
I wish Jabberwocky was here to give his opinion on Why No One Likes The USWNT Anymore.
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Post by papacoach on Sept 20, 2021 20:58:24 GMT -5
Only If driving/walking/riding while (fill in the blank) was a legal defense for liking/disliking USWNT soccer .. Just imagine the possibilities for equality when connecting socioeconomics to their PR coverage.
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Post by rifle on Sept 20, 2021 21:09:28 GMT -5
Only If driving/walking/riding while (fill in the blank) was a legal defense for liking/disliking USWNT soccer .. Just imagine the possibilities for equality when connecting socioeconomics to their PR coverage. Winning a World Cup often results in a lot of PR coverage. |
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Post by papacoach on Sept 20, 2021 21:23:22 GMT -5
So does not winning gold in the Olympics since 2012; allot of PR coverage too; next World Cup is when again.. 2023 maybe 🤔
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 21, 2021 8:32:24 GMT -5
Appreciate the brain dump. One thing that was eye opening to me (white bread/corn fed Midwesterner who has lived in six different states) that I want to share related to practicing law on the side of the road. Notwithstanding the very real socioeconomic connection to a good legal defense.. Imagine being pulled over for driving while black. But calmly taking the ticket because it’s better to fight it in court. Then walking up to the courthouse… that is supposed to be the place where you will be treated fairly… and having to walk right past statues of civil war generals on your way into the courthouse. It’s not even a little bit subtle. If a corrupt or bad cop is going to get you they are going to get you no matter what race you are. I have a few examples of being pulled over for no reason or the officer lying about the reason in my lifetime. None escalated to the point of me getting shot or tazed or arrested. Yes you can say it was because I was white, but I believe it is more because I cooperated with the police officer versus trying to resist or put up a fight. I'll give you a few examples of my personal history. While in college I was driving down the connector right by the Brave's stadium riding with the flow of traffic around 6:45 or so. I estimate I was probably driving 68-72 mph which is indeed speeding on the connector, but I was riding with the flow of traffic. An APD motorcycle cop gets on from the HOV ramp and then pulls me over (I had a red car). I was like great I just got a speeding ticket. The officer was black (not that this matters as it wasn't anything to do with race) and asked me how fast I thought I was going. I admitted to him that I was speeding probably about 70 mph but was just driving with the flow of traffic. He told me try 90!!!!! I thine was taken aback and told him no because the interstate was too congested to go 90mph and I wouldn't drive that fast anyway especially in the middle of Atlanta. He said he "paced" me going 90 mph. He didn't even stay behind me long enough to "pace" me at 90mph as I saw him come down the HOV ramp anyway. I said you may have had to go "90 mph" to catch up with me but you did not pace me going 90mph. He took my license and gave me a ticket for 90mph. I got railroaded in Atlanta Traffic court which is just a cashier basically because the judge didn't care what kind of evidence you had you were guilty. At the time I was driving the braves game was happening about 7:10 or 7:30 the interstate was not bumper to bumper or anything but it did have plenty of cars on the road. There was no way I could even do 90 if I wanted to. I chalked it up to knowing that there are crooked cops out there. The sad thing was there were 4 other cases before mine this officer gave tickets for, and it was all for "pacing" someone going at a high rate of speed. Convenient given he has to have no other proof except for his own two eyes that was how fast we were going. No radar, no lazer, just him driving supposedly behind people going that fast. Growing up in south metro there is a city notorious for having no crime and police that had nothing better to do. I would get pulled over in this city multiple times through my teenage years, at no time was I speeding or doing anything else illegal. They would just harass me because I was teenager driving through their city. Never got a ticket. Just harassed. I was a good kid and polite each time, but it got to the point where I would just drive an extra 10-15 mins around the city to avoid going through it. The excuse for pulling me over was always well you didn't maintain lane or some other BS thing when I know I did most certainly maintain lane. Bad cops happen, and as I said in my reply earlier the court system is stacked against someone that doesn't know the law or doesn't have a good lawyer. That needs to be fixed. I think that problem is a socioeconomic issue rather than a racial one. |
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Post by mamadona on Sept 21, 2021 8:53:34 GMT -5
I think there absolutely is racial bias in policing and other areas, but I also agree that there are socioeconomic issues in play. If you grow up poor with parents who are not into studying and you go to a bad school, it's harder to do well in life whatever your race. If you grow up in a nice area with supportive parents and go to a good school, you are way more likely to do well in life, whatever your race.
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Post by bogan on Sept 23, 2021 20:05:50 GMT -5
Interesting take on the contracts…
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 23, 2021 21:23:03 GMT -5
I do think it is interesting that everyone seems to forget the USSF settled the unequal working conditions part of this lawsuit.
The equal pay part basically seems to hinge on the fact that the world cup Champions did not get paid like world cup Champions in their opinion. It is not about the overall money (I don't think). It is about the fact that they won (back to back) but the men failed to qualify. That is their beef. And even if they know that it is partly (mostly) a FIFA problem their continued fight will slowly help the situation. Maybe they hope that USSF (and other federations who have recently agreed to equal contracts and big star players like Ada Hegerberg) will eventually pressure FIFA to improve the prize money to something more reasonable.
People can argue all they want that it is revenue that moves FIFA to have that discrepancy well I say that FIFA needs to get off their *sses and promote the women's game. In France in 2019 there were hardly ANY posters in the subway in Paris to advertise the matches. Inside the stadium when you wanted to buy shirts in Paris and Le Havre (the two games we went to) you had to stand in line for about an hour and they had 2-3 stands in the whole stadium. They ran out of most merchandise in both stadiums well before kick off. Gimme a break!!! Not enough merch?!?! They did a sh*t job and could have made much more money if they gave a crap. They don't.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 23, 2021 21:38:18 GMT -5
Let me add that we went to the Women's World Cup quarterfinals in Canada in 2015 which did have better staffing for merchandise but interestingly they had only one shirt option and there were no youth sizes. So we are there with our 10 and 6 year old kids and could not get them shirts. They were out of the mascots stuffed animals and had NOTHING for kids. Again epic fail.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 24, 2021 8:15:43 GMT -5
Weren't there some other things that were disproportional? per diems, bonus for wins and things like that?
I'm torn on what is best for the women's game. Given so many are playing in europe now, should they be receiving guaranteed compensation and player allocation?
I think the problem with the women's team it has set up this right/expectation that certain players will and are on the uswnt as long as they want to be.
no player should be guaranteed to be on the roster.
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 25, 2021 8:03:15 GMT -5
Weren't there some other things that were disproportional? per diems, bonus for wins and things like that? I'm torn on what is best for the women's game. Given so many are playing in europe now, should they be receiving guaranteed compensation and player allocation? I think the problem with the women's team it has set up this right/expectation that certain players will and are on the uswnt as long as they want to be. no player should be guaranteed to be on the roster. Looking back, I think entering the era of guaranteed pay made the team soft. They are not as 'gritty' as they once were. When you take away pay for performance, that's what happens, in any job or situation. Now before anyone piles on, they should be paid fairly and have an environment (training, travel, etc) equivalent to the men. But as a business owner who eats what he kills, performance based compensation beats guaranteed income every single time. Sure, base plus bonus is fine. But the base needs to be small enough to keep 'em hungry and fighting for that bonus. |
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