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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2014 13:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 9, 2014 14:45:35 GMT -5
wow....disturbing
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 9, 2014 14:53:23 GMT -5
I read about this yesterday I was very disturbed especially in regards to the cover up in the aftermath of the event. Siri Mullinix who is the Clemson assistant is a former UNC alum and GK for the US Women's National team, needless to say she will probably never get a college coaching job again.
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Post by soccergator on Sept 9, 2014 15:12:15 GMT -5
wow! i grew up watching eddie Radwanski play at uncg. he's a legend at UNCG.
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Post by gusa1 on Sept 9, 2014 15:37:14 GMT -5
They are done. I grew up watching Eddie play and I played at chapel hill the same time Siri played. What a shame!!
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Post by spectator on Sept 9, 2014 18:48:22 GMT -5
Disturbing.
However, is anyone else wondering why this took three years to come to light with the lawsuit. Sounds like the injuries sustained were pretty substantial - why wait this long to sue?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2014 21:11:10 GMT -5
Wow. Skimmed the PDF file , 4 Georgia girls are defendants - Woodstock.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 10, 2014 0:01:02 GMT -5
Disturbing. However, is anyone else wondering why this took three years to come to light with the lawsuit. Sounds like the injuries sustained were pretty substantial - why wait this long to sue? I read most of the complaint. It looks like she continued to be part of the team after redshirting her freshman year. She played her sophomore year and tried to play her junior year, but the injuries continued to cause issues and when she went to a neurologist she was told she needed to stop playing right away. That was last fall. I don't know that all which is alleged is true, but there is so much that is disturbing. It sounds as if the incident was investigated at the time, and it was found through player interviews, that hazing took place. That the player didn't receive adequate medical care after an injury like this is unconscionable. According to some of the comments in the Fit article, the firm representing the player is reputable and not likely to take on a case that has no merit. i am stunned. I know a player on the team and know of others interested in the program. I feel bad for the players, including the ones allegedly involved in the incident. This is not minor, and i would be surprised if the coaches are allowed to stay. None of the current players would have been involved in the hazing, so I do hate to see this affect them, but somehow I feel it will. of course, I know nothing and am just guessing. But, it sounds bad. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 10, 2014 8:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 10, 2014 9:13:57 GMT -5
Disturbing. However, is anyone else wondering why this took three years to come to light with the lawsuit. Sounds like the injuries sustained were pretty substantial - why wait this long to sue? I read most of the complaint. It looks like she continued to be part of the team after redshirting her freshman year. She played her sophomore year and tried to play her junior year, but the injuries continued to cause issues and when she went to a neurologist she was told she needed to stop playing right away. That was last fall. I don't know that all which is alleged is true, but there is so much that is disturbing. It sounds as if the incident was investigated at the time, and it was found through player interviews, that hazing took place. That the player didn't receive adequate medical care after an injury like this is unconscionable. According to some of the comments in the Fit article, the firm representing the player is reputable and not likely to take on a case that has no merit. i am stunned. I know a player on the team and know of others interested in the program. I feel bad for the players, including the ones allegedly involved in the incident. This is not minor, and i would be surprised if the coaches are allowed to stay. None of the current players would have been involved in the hazing, so I do hate to see this affect them, but somehow I feel it will. of course, I know nothing and am just guessing. But, it sounds bad. took 3 years and she continued to play for them?? hmmm...cant wait for all the facts to come out, theres 2 sides to every story |
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Post by spectator on Sept 10, 2014 9:46:42 GMT -5
This is a terrible series of events regardless of the outcome. A young woman now has permanent injuries and even if the charges are found to be not true, Clemson's women's soccer program will be tainted in the same way Duke's Lacrosse program was years ago even when those charges were found to be untrue.
Here's where it'll get ugly though - the timeline it has taken to bring this story to light will work against the young woman bringing forth the allegations. Clemson's defense will be - 'prove those injuries didn't occur while she played soccer her sophomore and junior years'. There are scores of studies about the dangers of heading the ball - especially with women players because their necks aren't as strong as men's.
This is going to get ugly - and public - and either way it goes, some lives are forever changed in a bad way. Very sad - very disturbing.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 10, 2014 9:54:50 GMT -5
I read most of the complaint. It looks like she continued to be part of the team after redshirting her freshman year. She played her sophomore year and tried to play her junior year, but the injuries continued to cause issues and when she went to a neurologist she was told she needed to stop playing right away. That was last fall. I don't know that all which is alleged is true, but there is so much that is disturbing. It sounds as if the incident was investigated at the time, and it was found through player interviews, that hazing took place. That the player didn't receive adequate medical care after an injury like this is unconscionable. According to some of the comments in the Fit article, the firm representing the player is reputable and not likely to take on a case that has no merit. i am stunned. I know a player on the team and know of others interested in the program. I feel bad for the players, including the ones allegedly involved in the incident. This is not minor, and i would be surprised if the coaches are allowed to stay. None of the current players would have been involved in the hazing, so I do hate to see this affect them, but somehow I feel it will. of course, I know nothing and am just guessing. But, it sounds bad. took 3 years and she continued to play for them?? hmmm...cant wait for all the facts to come out, theres 2 sides to every story You are right. There are two sides to every story. But, I am not so quick to dismiss what the player said happened for a few reasons: 1. She redshirted her freshman year. I could be wrong, but I would assume that she wasn't able to play because of her injuries. She played her sophomore year but had issues her junior year when she went to a neurologist. The extent of the injury may well not have been known until the scans and tests were done last fall. Did she lose consciousness? Was she bleeding? Did she have black eyes for some time after? If so, did Clemson do a concussion evaluation and did they get her the medical treatment she needed? Did the players want to call an ambulance and the coach call in a one of their trainers to treat her instead? One of the players said it sounded as if metal hit metal when she hit the brick wall. 2. It seems that the ethics committee found hazing occurred even though the athletic department basically dismissed the investigation. I would think the ethicics committe would have interviewed the players involved. So, are some of the allegations based on statements made by the players at the time of the investigation? I don't know. 3. We are now hearing more and more about the long term effects of a concussion/brain injury. What may not seem as bad at the time turns out to have lasting effects. Maybe the player and her parents thought she was better, but it became clear last fall that she wasn't. Again, I don't know what happen. If even a portion of what is alleged is true, it's pretty bad. Unless she made everything up, I am not going to blame this girl that may have sustained an injury that will affect her for the rest of her life. I have a hard time believing any reputable law firm would file allegations unless they felt there was a case. We may never know what actually happened. In the meantime, I will just wish this girl well and hope that she continues to heal. |
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 10, 2014 9:59:44 GMT -5
This is a terrible series of events regardless of the outcome. A young woman now has permanent injuries and even if the charges are found to be not true, Clemson's women's soccer program will be tainted in the same way Duke's Lacrosse program was years ago even when those charges were found to be untrue. Here's where it'll get ugly though - the timeline it has taken to bring this story to light will work against the young woman bringing forth the allegations. Clemson's defense will be - 'prove those injuries didn't occur while she played soccer her sophomore and junior years'. There are scores of studies about the dangers of heading the ball - especially with women players because their necks aren't as strong as men's. This is going to get ugly - and public - and either way it goes, some lives are forever changed in a bad way. Very sad - very disturbing. I would agree except the player did redshirt her freshman year. Unless that was because of an unrelated injury, it would seem that injury was pretty serious. Isn't it up to the University to prove those injuries weren't related to the incident? How do they do that if they didn't do a concussion test and didn't seek medical help for a girl that was allegedly unconscious and bleeding? You are right she could have compounded the injury by continuing to play. But, if Clemson was negligent in getting her treatment in the beginning (and I don't know that they were) how do they establish that this wasn't the cause of the permanent damage the neurologist says exists. Yes, we can look to Duke and what happened there. That's one side. But, we can also look to Penn State and see universities do sweep things under the rug. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 10, 2014 10:10:46 GMT -5
Im not saying shes lying, but I just find it very hard to believe that for 3 years NO ONE said anything? We live in a world of social media that everything gets documented. If she was bleeding and unconscious that's kind of hard to hide from the whole school. We really don't know why she redshirt her first year we can all just assume. If any of it is true its pretty sad that theres coaches and students out there letting this happen and trying to cover it up.
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Post by spectator on Sept 10, 2014 10:53:40 GMT -5
Two things -
One - Penn State - yes, universities will look the other way - especially if it's a big moneymaker for the school like football. I'm not putting ACC Women's Soccer in that same league even if I am an ACC alum and women's soccer fan. Were this the men's football or basketball program, I'd be much more inclined to go after the university as a whole - in this case, it was poor decisions and reactions by one small part of the athletic department most likely.
Two - I do not for one minute believe this girl is making the story up. I know these hazings continue to happen in every aspect of university life - case in point, the young man hazed to death by the Florida A&M Band Drum Majors. College kids do stupid things - always have (Lord knows I did) always will. But they have to start being held accountable for their stupidity when it results in events like this. What is going to hurt this player's case is the length of time it took to bring it to light and proving the injuries were sustained that night and that night only as the result of the hazing. It sucks that that may not be entirely proveable and therefore may not force the accountability that is needed to change the behaviors.
And SoccerMom is right - this happened in 2011 - between Facebook, Twitter, SnapChat and Instagram, someone put something out there the night this happened.
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Post by sidelinemama on Sept 10, 2014 10:53:47 GMT -5
It is now known that the brain continues to develop until age 25. Sometimes people with brain injuries seem "okay," but when that injured part of the brain tries to develop further, you can really run into problems. That is just one reason why these injuries are not always obvious at first.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 10, 2014 16:05:57 GMT -5
Two things - One - Penn State - yes, universities will look the other way - especially if it's a big moneymaker for the school like football. I'm not putting ACC Women's Soccer in that same league even if I am an ACC alum and women's soccer fan. Were this the men's football or basketball program, I'd be much more inclined to go after the university as a whole - in this case, it was poor decisions and reactions by one small part of the athletic department most likely. Two - I do not for one minute believe this girl is making the story up. I know these hazings continue to happen in every aspect of university life - case in point, the young man hazed to death by the Florida A&M Band Drum Majors. College kids do stupid things - always have (Lord knows I did) always will. But they have to start being held accountable for their stupidity when it results in events like this. What is going to hurt this player's case is the length of time it took to bring it to light and proving the injuries were sustained that night and that night only as the result of the hazing. It sucks that that may not be entirely proveable and therefore may not force the accountability that is needed to change the behaviors. And SoccerMom is right - this happened in 2011 - between Facebook, Twitter, SnapChat and Instagram, someone put something out there the night this happened. |
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