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Post by soccerspin on Oct 17, 2021 21:26:20 GMT -5
Am I reading this correctly that so long as an ECNL player only participates in one game a day, that player can play in either an ECNL or an ECNL-R match? Or in other words, if a club’s ECNL team doesn’t have a game that day, they could legally put that team against another club’s ECNL-R team in a match? I didn’t see any restrictions on player movement down other than the one game a day limit. Am I missing something? docs.google.com/document/d/1YX_CbbGBwRvRpo1ZxPiWV8XvdZBd8966/mobilebasic |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 7:47:06 GMT -5
Am I reading this correctly that so long as an ECNL player only participates in one game a day, that player can play in either an ECNL or an ECNL-R match? Or in other words, if a club’s ECNL team doesn’t have a game that day, they could legally put that team against another club’s ECNL-R team in a match? I didn’t see any restrictions on player movement down other than the one game a day limit. Am I missing something? docs.google.com/document/d/1YX_CbbGBwRvRpo1ZxPiWV8XvdZBd8966/mobilebasicThat may be possible - Saturday we played Alabama FC ECRL and my daughter told me one of the girls had an ECNL jersey patch. And their ECNL team did not have a game that day. |
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Post by blu on Oct 18, 2021 9:52:12 GMT -5
It's true. I've seen a few ECRL players play up when ECNL had some Covid issues/injuries. Never seen an ECNL player come down though.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 18, 2021 10:15:27 GMT -5
Am I reading this correctly that so long as an ECNL player only participates in one game a day, that player can play in either an ECNL or an ECNL-R match? Or in other words, if a club’s ECNL team doesn’t have a game that day, they could legally put that team against another club’s ECNL-R team in a match? I didn’t see any restrictions on player movement down other than the one game a day limit. Am I missing something? docs.google.com/document/d/1YX_CbbGBwRvRpo1ZxPiWV8XvdZBd8966/mobilebasicThat may be possible - Saturday we played Alabama FC ECRL and my daughter told me one of the girls had an ECNL jersey patch. And their ECNL team did not have a game that day. What age group? |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 18, 2021 10:36:28 GMT -5
I don't buy into relying on a patch saying that a club is bringing players down to play in games. With 2 year uniform cycles, a player could have been demoted from the prior year. Even with a new uniform, there are a myriad of reasons why a player with an ECNL patch may play in an ECRL game. For example, a player has been injured and needs to play at a lower level while returning from injury.
Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 10:41:17 GMT -5
That may be possible - Saturday we played Alabama FC ECRL and my daughter told me one of the girls had an ECNL jersey patch. And their ECNL team did not have a game that day. What age group? U15 |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 18, 2021 10:45:59 GMT -5
Pursuant to ECNL Competition Rules 2.2.1 Movement Between League Competitions, playing players in both competitions is allowed by ECNL Rules. ECNL Registered Players may participate in ECNL Club Competition and ECNL Regional League Competition with the club they are registered to , as long as they are (i) age eligible; (ii) meet all specific eligibility requirements in these Regulations; and (iii) compete in only one ECNL Competition per day.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 10:48:32 GMT -5
I don't buy into relying on a patch saying that a club is bringing players down to play in games. With 2 year uniform cycles, a player could have been demoted from the prior year. Even with a new uniform, there are a myriad of reasons why a player with an ECNL patch may play in an ECRL game. For example, a player has been injured and needs to play at a lower level while returning from injury. Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL. I never said that they're purposely bringing down players. I simply said that the rule the O.P. asked about may, in fact, be correct and noted that a girl with an ECNL patch played in our ECRL game. Frankly I don't really care that they did it if it's allowed by ECNL. |
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Post by coffee on Oct 18, 2021 11:38:46 GMT -5
…Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL. In general I agree, but apparently there is no requirement for that to be accurate. For example, the Concorde Fire 06 Premier roster shows 40 players. I know a few of them are now playing at SSA. |
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Post by georgiatechalum on Oct 18, 2021 11:46:39 GMT -5
Honestly, the original poster (alarmist) is a bit ridiculous. The insinuation is that ECNL teams are going to play in place of their own clubs ECNL -R team when the ECNL team has a bye, I know the vast majority of folks on the forum like to bash the clubs / directors/ coaches but this is a little too much .. no?
These club leaders aren’t evil ( except maybe Concorde.. just kidding ) Relax people, I will bet you will see more kids playing up then down.
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Post by soccerbro on Oct 18, 2021 12:27:42 GMT -5
Am I reading this correctly that so long as an ECNL player only participates in one game a day, that player can play in either an ECNL or an ECNL-R match? Or in other words, if a club’s ECNL team doesn’t have a game that day, they could legally put that team against another club’s ECNL-R team in a match? I didn’t see any restrictions on player movement down other than the one game a day limit. Am I missing something? docs.google.com/document/d/1YX_CbbGBwRvRpo1ZxPiWV8XvdZBd8966/mobilebasicThat may be possible - Saturday we played Alabama FC ECRL and my daughter told me one of the girls had an ECNL jersey patch. And their ECNL team did not have a game that day. Alabama ECNL played GSA on Saturday. Sometimes girls get dropped but elect not to get a new jersey. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 12:46:25 GMT -5
That may be possible - Saturday we played Alabama FC ECRL and my daughter told me one of the girls had an ECNL jersey patch. And their ECNL team did not have a game that day. Alabama ECNL played GSA on Saturday. Sometimes girls get dropped but elect not to get a new jersey. Okay, that's really weird - I looked up their schedule when I posted earlier and it showed no game on Oct 16th. Now I see the game on their schedule. Oh well, must have been a former ECNL player who was dropped to ECRL this season. |
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Post by diamondmid on Oct 18, 2021 13:12:29 GMT -5
Honestly, the original poster (alarmist) is a bit ridiculous. The insinuation is that ECNL teams are going to play in place of their own clubs ECNL -R team when the ECNL team has a bye, I know the vast majority of folks on the forum like to bash the clubs / directors/ coaches but this is a little too much .. no? These club leaders aren’t evil ( except maybe Concorde.. just kidding ) Relax people, I will bet you will see more kids playing up then down. To date this season, I’ve seen one club play players “up” from - R to the ECNL team. And it was done due to injuries. On the other hand, I’ve now seen a few clubs play multiple players “down”… ECNL rostered players playing -R. One club is technically playing down a couple of steps. And while it may not be whole teams, when you have 4-5 players starting out of 11, it’s significant. |
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Post by soccerspin on Oct 18, 2021 13:35:40 GMT -5
Honestly, the original poster (alarmist) is a bit ridiculous. The insinuation is that ECNL teams are going to play in place of their own clubs ECNL -R team when the ECNL team has a bye, I know the vast majority of folks on the forum like to bash the clubs / directors/ coaches but this is a little too much .. no? These club leaders aren’t evil ( except maybe Concorde.. just kidding ) Relax people, I will bet you will see more kids playing up then down. To date this season, I’ve seen one club play players “up” from - R to the ECNL team. And it was done due to injuries. On the other hand, I’ve now seen a few clubs play multiple players “down”… ECNL rostered players playing -R. One club is technically playing down a couple of steps. And while it may not be whole teams, when you have 4-5 players starting out of 11, it’s significant. The “alarmist” language was on purpose because as the rules read, there’s nothing to prevent it. Is there? So the idea was to get folks to take a look and comment. Nothing else. Now, the team we (as ECNL-R) played this past weekend actually had four ECNL players play down. This wasn’t based on patches but rather some of our players know these players well after playing with and against them for many years now. They know who’s on which teams and anyone can confirm on the ECNL website (and they do not have a large roster…it is up to date.) That said, I can understand one or two players moving up and down between ECNL and ECNL-R, however, four at one time moving down for a game seems a bit heavy and their bench was not sparse… It’s legal, but something to call out. |
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Post by georgiatechalum on Oct 18, 2021 13:42:32 GMT -5
What club & age group did you play that brought down 4 players ?
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 18, 2021 14:03:49 GMT -5
Maybe I am a bit jaded by this whole discussion because last year, my daughter's team was horrible. Without fail, every game that we lost, our coach would use the excuse that it was because the other team brought down players from ECNL. This includes using this excuse against clubs that don't have ECNL. Ultimately, that is what the entire discussion is--an excuse that coaches and parents make when the game doesn't go as hoped. You play the team wearing the opposing jersey. If the other team believes that your team is so good that the only chance it has is to bring down better players, that is a compliment to your team. Does anyone mention this when they win?
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Post by georgiatechalum on Oct 18, 2021 14:44:02 GMT -5
Exactly right mightydawg, that’s why people don’t really give specifics. i.e. What team, what age group. They just make ambiguous statements that are hard to fact check.
I don’t think there’s too much satisfaction from teams/ coaches and players in beating a lower team with 5 top players, etc.
I seldom hear on the forum that “ we lost because the other team is just better”
… ..just play the team across from you.
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Post by soccerspin on Oct 18, 2021 15:40:33 GMT -5
What club & age group did you play that brought down 4 players ? If I was going to add that info I would have. I don’t need your fact checking or anything else. It is true. Don’t care if you don’t believe it. It is discouraging to the players when this happens. If it should be a just play the team across from you, then why do other leagues (and tournaments) have limits on guest players as well as who can play down and up and under what circumstances? Play the team you originally put together and stop trying to game the system. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Oct 18, 2021 15:47:56 GMT -5
I don't buy into relying on a patch saying that a club is bringing players down to play in games. With 2 year uniform cycles, a player could have been demoted from the prior year. Even with a new uniform, there are a myriad of reasons why a player with an ECNL patch may play in an ECRL game. For example, a player has been injured and needs to play at a lower level while returning from injury. Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL. The ECNL website isn't accurate and if you're checking rosters through the app, it's even worse. They still show players who not only aren't at the same club but, not even competing in the same age group as last season. ECRL should be viewed as training ground, If a player or two are dropped down due to injury or even playing time, their isn't much difference in skill level anyway. Welcome the competition. |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 18, 2021 16:12:53 GMT -5
…Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL. In general I agree, but apparently there is no requirement for that to be accurate. For example, the Concorde Fire 06 Premier roster shows 40 players. I know a few of them are now playing at SSA. The app does show a million girls but the website is accurate from what I can tell. It shows 18 players. public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2372/individual-team/30/20325/9 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 18, 2021 16:54:10 GMT -5
the 2 questions --
1) can a kid play in both a ecnl and ecrl game on the same day?
2) if a kid is at a club (i.e. concorde) - that has 2 encl and ecrl teams, if they are a player on a ecrl and play with one of the encl teams, are they locked in to that team? or can they also play for the other ecnl team?
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 18, 2021 16:57:47 GMT -5
Can only play one game per day.
Once you play for one Concorde ECNL team, cannot play for the other. There cannot be any sharing of players between platinum and premier teams.
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Post by hammertime on Oct 18, 2021 17:21:31 GMT -5
Can only play one game per day. Once you play for one Concorde ECNL team, cannot play for the other. There cannot be any sharing of players between platinum and premier teams. I know what you are saying but to elaborate you can only play for one ECNL team or one ECNL-RL team per day. Which also applies across all age groups so can't play for a U16 ECNL team and U17 ECNL-RL team in the same day. Agree that four players playing ECNL-RL down from ECNL seems like a lot but can't imagine it would ever be more than that. Definitely not a whole team. Soccer coaches aren't necessarily the best business folks but common sense 101 says that if you did it on a large scale and/or very often you wouldn't have a very high retention rate. Not to mention that it doesn't happen often that the ECNL and ECNL-RL teams aren't both going to be playing on the same day, especially for U15 and up where all the games have to be played in the fall. There aren't many off weekend. That said...only GSA and UFA didn't have ECNL Boys games this weekend but did play ECNL-RL games. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 18, 2021 18:44:37 GMT -5
Honestly, the original poster (alarmist) is a bit ridiculous. The insinuation is that ECNL teams are going to play in place of their own clubs ECNL -R team when the ECNL team has a bye, I know the vast majority of folks on the forum like to bash the clubs / directors/ coaches but this is a little too much .. no? These club leaders aren’t evil ( except maybe Concorde.. just kidding ) Relax people, I will bet you will see more kids playing up then down. I suppose that depends on your definition of evil.😉 Playing down players is dumb, but not evil. I do think that some of these directors are blind though or maybe desperate for coaches that they will employ liars, abusers and people that may not be intentionally either but have zero people skills while they leave quality coaches begging for spots on higher teams, but just keep giving them lower teams. |
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Post by georgiatechalum on Oct 18, 2021 20:39:44 GMT -5
Did the topic just change? 😳
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Post by soccerluv on Oct 18, 2021 23:35:39 GMT -5
I did notice a few ECNL players were playing ECNL-R this weekend, but they seemed to be playing up an age group.
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Post by sailingaway on Oct 19, 2021 8:06:00 GMT -5
…Both the ECNL and ECRL websites have rosters with pictures and jersey numbers. That is the way to verify if a club is playing ECNL players down at ECRL. In general I agree, but apparently there is no requirement for that to be accurate. For example, the Concorde Fire 06 Premier roster shows 40 players. I know a few of them are now playing at SSA. Yeah, I noticed those rosters have not been updated from last year also. Wouldn't think it would be that difficult to be accurate, but it is across many clubs in ECNL/R right now. |
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Post by soccerspin on Oct 19, 2021 8:09:00 GMT -5
I did notice a few ECNL players were playing ECNL-R this weekend, but they seemed to be playing up an age group. Different game than ours. And this was the only game this season in which the players noticed a handful of ECNL players playing down. And then it was a bit surprising to see there are no rules as to the number of players you can play down. Thus the post to the larger community to see if we were overlooking something in the rules. |
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Post by hammertime on Oct 19, 2021 10:12:03 GMT -5
Sounds like a good opportunity for some boys to make the case that they could play up.
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Post by justhavefun on Oct 19, 2021 12:50:18 GMT -5
I am not buying it. If soccerspin is that upset to the point they created a thread and as they say it’s not fair to the kids why wouldn’t they share the details and call out the team so they don’t do it again, or at least put them on “notice” that others are aware. It was probably one ( or two ) bubble kids if any who the coach wanted to get more playing time to. Us parents need to stop playing into the excuses on why they lost. Get better and beat them next time.
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