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Post by olderthandirt on Nov 1, 2021 11:54:40 GMT -5
As awful as it seems, there are parents who treat their children’s teachers as badly or worse than they treat coaches. Ask a long-time teacher if you want to hear some truly awful stories. You probably won’t believe that the stories can possibly be true.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 1, 2021 13:22:36 GMT -5
As awful as it seems, there are parents who treat their children’s teachers as badly or worse than they treat coaches. Ask a long-time teacher if you want to hear some truly awful stories. You probably won’t believe that the stories can possibly be true. TBH people treat a lot of different people horribly so I can't pretend surprise at awful stories about parents and teachers. I CAN say that most teachers do not say the careless and sometimes cruel things that coaches often say to their pupils. Regardless, both coaches and teachers have a huge responsibility to care for young peoples' minds. They have a tough job. Anyone that has a job that requires regular interaction with people has it tough these days. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 1, 2021 16:03:04 GMT -5
PARENTS!!!! I'm joking, well kind of, maybe... You’re a 100%. When you have a sideline full of wannabe coaches and refs it’s tough. Whatever happened to just showing up keeping your mouth shut and then cheering when your child does something well? The next time I hear a parent yell you can’t play the ball while on the ground I’m going to take a copy of the rule book and shove it down their throats. When was this ever reality? |
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Post by rifle on Nov 1, 2021 17:01:39 GMT -5
Being a ref is great. EVERYBODY wants to help!
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Post by bogan on Nov 1, 2021 17:06:43 GMT -5
Being a ref is great. EVERYBODY wants to help! 🤣 |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 1, 2021 22:05:35 GMT -5
You’re a 100%. When you have a sideline full of wannabe coaches and refs it’s tough. Whatever happened to just showing up keeping your mouth shut and then cheering when your child does something well? The next time I hear a parent yell you can’t play the ball while on the ground I’m going to take a copy of the rule book and shove it down their throats. When was this ever reality? 1989 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 2, 2021 7:41:04 GMT -5
When was this ever reality? 1989 This was probably only because the parents did not know soccer. I played in the 80's and begged my dad to coach me as he had with baseball for me and my brothers and hockey for my brothers but he said no because he did not know the game. Interestingly now he knows the game (somewhat) and he yells nearly as much as the parents when the ref makes a bad call. I will say though I think that parents let the older players play without yelling instructions. It is only the little ones they yell instructions to. I stopped yelling anything at my kid around U14. I might say something like "next time beat her down the line" or "take your space" or things like that after the fact, but never during the action. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 2, 2021 11:14:45 GMT -5
PARENTS!!!! I'm joking, well kind of, maybe... You’re a 100%. When you have a sideline full of wannabe coaches and refs it’s tough. Whatever happened to just showing up keeping your mouth shut and then cheering when your child does something well? The next time I hear a parent yell you can’t play the ball while on the ground I’m going to take a copy of the rule book and shove it down their throats. I only blow the whistle when the parents yell loud enough. Otherwise, it's play on. I mean, they know best, right? |
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Post by bolo on Nov 2, 2021 13:19:59 GMT -5
This was probably only because the parents did not know soccer. I played in the 80's and begged my dad to coach me as he had with baseball for me and my brothers and hockey for my brothers but he said no because he did not know the game. Interestingly now he knows the game (somewhat) and he yells nearly as much as the parents when the ref makes a bad call. I will say though I think that parents let the older players play without yelling instructions. It is only the little ones they yell instructions to. I stopped yelling anything at my kid around U14. I might say something like "next time beat her down the line" or "take your space" or things like that after the fact, but never during the action. Agree with this. Most parents at the older ages tend to yell more general directions/encouragement like you described- and "take your space" is one of my personal favorites! You'll hear a lot of "play her/him" when someone is breaking open for a through ball, or "switch the field" when everyone gets bunched up on one side, or "keeper" when the keeper needs to come out for a ball. But as far as the hyper-specific instructions, yeah, those tend to end by the time the kids are playing 9v9 for the most part. And if they don't, most coaches do everything in their power to make sure they do! I think more of the yelling being done around officiating has to do with parents by the older ages having seen a ton of soccer, and understanding the rules much better than many non-soccer playing parents do when their kids are in the younger ages. Also the stakes being- or at least seeming- higher the older they get. Plus the more physical nature of the game as kids get bigger, faster, & stronger prompts a lot more parents to yell for fouls, whether warranted or not. But some of what people on this board complain about in terms of parents yelling is spur of the moment and completely justified, in my opinion. In a recent game a player on my kid's team got completely taken out by a hard, cynical challenge (resulting in a sprained wrist as they crashed into the ground at full speed), so of course every parent almost instinctively yelled foul, or "Come on!", and called out for a card. To the ref's credit, he did show a yellow, but if anyone expected parents not to yell in an instance like that, they're not living in reality. |
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Post by justwatching on Nov 2, 2021 15:38:14 GMT -5
In regards to coaches I don't think the yelling out at games or coaching from the sidelines is that big of a deal. That is usually manageable. For them I think the parent woes have more to do with the away from game mess they stir up and the "demands" they make.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 3, 2021 13:42:22 GMT -5
Until I started refereeing, I never realized how much talking actually goes on from both sidelines, and when I'm centering most of the time it is just a jumbled up mess of noise, and there is no way the majority of the players are listening to any of it nor will it fix anything most likely as it is impossible to understand it all being shouted all at once anyway.
If I say something to my son while he is playing, if for some weird reason I can actually be a spectator and not a AR for the games...sigh.... I wait till he isn't involved in the play on some down time. Yell his name, maybe give him a 2-3 words or maybe a sentence about something I saw or if the time is short tell him time remaining and that is it. He is old enough to know what to do 99% of the time. There really isn't any point from coaching on the sideline.
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Post by bogan on Nov 3, 2021 13:48:08 GMT -5
Until I started refereeing, I never realized how much talking actually goes on from both sidelines, and when I'm centering most of the time it is just a jumbled up mess of noise, and there is no way the majority of the players are listening to any of it nor will it fix anything most likely as it is impossible to understand it all being shouted all at once anyway. If I say something to my son while he is playing, if for some weird reason I can actually be a spectator and not a AR for the games...sigh.... I wait till he isn't involved in the play on some down time. Yell his name, maybe give him a 2-3 words or maybe a sentence about something I saw or if the time is short tell him time remaining and that is it. He is old enough to know what to do 99% of the time. There really isn't any point from coaching on the sideline. Mine just told me to “shut up.” I listened 🤣 |
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 3, 2021 13:55:49 GMT -5
Until I started refereeing, I never realized how much talking actually goes on from both sidelines, and when I'm centering most of the time it is just a jumbled up mess of noise, and there is no way the majority of the players are listening to any of it nor will it fix anything most likely as it is impossible to understand it all being shouted all at once anyway. If I say something to my son while he is playing, if for some weird reason I can actually be a spectator and not a AR for the games...sigh.... I wait till he isn't involved in the play on some down time. Yell his name, maybe give him a 2-3 words or maybe a sentence about something I saw or if the time is short tell him time remaining and that is it. He is old enough to know what to do 99% of the time. There really isn't any point from coaching on the sideline. Mine just told me to “shut up.” I listened 🤣 Most of the time, the kid doesn't even have to say anything. They just give parents the STFU look. |
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Post by bogan on Nov 3, 2021 14:25:55 GMT -5
Mine just told me to “shut up.” I listened 🤣 Most of the time, the kid doesn't even have to say anything. They just give parents the STFU look. I earned it. Made me mad at the time, but I realized I was in the wrong. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 3, 2021 15:09:46 GMT -5
Most of the time, the kid doesn't even have to say anything. They just give parents the STFU look. I earned it. Made me mad at the time, but I realized I was in the wrong. I feel like my few comments I make (time remaining, maybe 2-3 words here or there) are mostly constructive. He doesn't really get mad at me for them. I'm not doing it constantly or even every game usually though. Sometimes he even asks me a question occasionally during down time on his end of the field. I used to get the STFU look when he was younger though. Now that he is older I think he appreciates that my rare feedback to him is likely needed when I actually do it. Its rare that I do it though. |
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