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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Oct 18, 2021 7:53:09 GMT -5
How long before we start seeing coaching shortages? More so than what we currently have.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 18, 2021 9:23:55 GMT -5
This has been an ongoing problem especially in branch locations of mega clubs for several years now. The mega clubs do not pay these coaches enough money on 1099 to attract the best and the brightest. The Directors and salaried club staff have too many teams as well to be able to be at all their games. It is a disaster right now. Luckily my son's team has always had 1 steady coach even if it changes year to year. My daughter on the other hand being in academy is always a hodge podge of coaches at any given game or training session.
The clubs need to start paying more money to these 1099 coaches to attract more and better ones.
While pay increase will help on the referee end as well, I'm not sure pay will ultimately fix the referee shortage. As one club raises their pay all clubs will match within a month. The issue is no one wants to take the initial class at $90-$110 a pop and front all the money for flags, at least 2 uniforms colors, bag, whistle, etc.... before even getting paid at all. Then no teenager wants to start refereeing with the abuse the parents (and sometimes even coaches) give to the referees at any given time, and the pay really isn't really great for an adult who has a day job to work it as a side job depending on age you referee etc...
The referee issue is a multiple issue problem:
1) increase pay
2) figure out a way to reduce the cost of the certification class and initial kits these referees need
3) Offer incentives for Select players for reduction in their fees to get certified and referee X numbers of games a season
4) Make classes more easily available and assessable
5) Parents need to stop berating the referees. I will caveat though that there also needs to be a good process to film and or turn-in referees that are bad referees for review, so that those referees get re-trained or have their certification revoked.
I am a referee and know there are very bad referees out there. I just had a set of referees at my son's game Saturday that was probably the worst officiating (except for the AR1) that I have ever seen at that level of a game in my lifetime. It wasn't 1 or 2 blown calls it was multiple offside calls (the AR2 was an older adult who should know the rules) and also almost no foul calls or cards even with players running into the back of the legs of players. It became a very serious player safety issue where I was afraid a kid was going to get a knee blown out or a broken bone. What made matters worse was the AR2 would interact with the parents, and he was basically aggravating the situation even more by conversating with them when the parents weren't even talking to the AR2. The kids on my son's team also said that the AR2 interacted with the kids from the previous game and actually cussed at those players after the game was over then denied that he did it. The dude doesn't need to be refereeing at all. I called to the coach to handle the issue before someone got hurt even if it meant pulling our kids off the pitch. The center didn't want to call any fouls what-so-ever which ended up making the game get out of hand as well.
There has to be a way to send in a full video of a game for review by a referee committee for reprimand and our retraining for situations like I witnessed Saturday. As a referee I welcome it as well.
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Post by rifle on Oct 18, 2021 11:54:10 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought much about a coaching shortage but as a former TM and small club board member I do know that mega clubs pay coaches a lot less than community based clubs.
As for refereeing my local club’s booker coaxed me out of a pandemic layoff that had mostly turned into laziness. I just completed re-certification to referee again. Time to get back out there.
I encourage ALL OF YOU to do it as well. I do it to stay connected with and contribute to the game that I love. And no place else pays me to exercise.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 12:02:36 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought much about a coaching shortage but as a former TM and small club board member I do know that mega clubs pay coaches a lot less than community based clubs. As for refereeing my local club’s booker coaxed me out of a pandemic layoff that had mostly turned into laziness. I just completed re-certification to referee again. Time to get back out there. I encourage ALL OF YOU to do it as well. I do it to stay connected with and contribute to with the game that I love. And no place else pays me to exercise. Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 18, 2021 12:14:07 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought much about a coaching shortage but as a former TM and small club board member I do know that mega clubs pay coaches a lot less than community based clubs. As for refereeing my local club’s booker coaxed me out of a pandemic layoff that had mostly turned into laziness. I just completed re-certification to referee again. Time to get back out there. I encourage ALL OF YOU to do it as well. I do it to stay connected with and contribute to with the game that I love. And no place else pays me to exercise. Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. I don’t doubt that for a second. I’ve seen numerous desperate emails trying to staff games. We need more refs. You can do it!! |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 12:49:06 GMT -5
Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. I don’t doubt that for a second. I’ve seen numerous desperate emails trying to staff games. We need more refs. You can do it!! I would be very interested in doing it but with 2 girls in club soccer and 1 in competitive cheer, I'd have no time to actually ref a game. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 18, 2021 13:39:42 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought much about a coaching shortage but as a former TM and small club board member I do know that mega clubs pay coaches a lot less than community based clubs. As for refereeing my local club’s booker coaxed me out of a pandemic layoff that had mostly turned into laziness. I just completed re-certification to referee again. Time to get back out there. I encourage ALL OF YOU to do it as well. I do it to stay connected with and contribute to with the game that I love. And no place else pays me to exercise. Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. Status quo this year. The assignor is going to assign older age games first and games that must have a full crew. Then whatever is left over will go to the Academy level younger ages and then finally recreation level younger. I have gotten to the point where I always bring my bag with me even to my own kid's games because chances are I'm going to have to AR it. Yesterday I had to center my daughter's academy game with no AR's, and routinely have had to AR my son's 11v11 games as well. I don't like to do it, but it is either that or not have AR's or ins some cases referees at all. The only thing that sucks is, I can't really focus on my own kid and how they play a particular game, or shout words of encouragement or positives toward them due to having to referee. I really don't referee for the money. I do it for exercise, to give back to the game I love, and most games I thoroughly enjoy the matches even in the younger ages where sometimes as a referee it is as much teaching and coaching things to young kids so they understand my calls as much as refereeing. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 18, 2021 15:53:30 GMT -5
I hadn’t thought much about a coaching shortage but as a former TM and small club board member I do know that mega clubs pay coaches a lot less than community based clubs. As for refereeing my local club’s booker coaxed me out of a pandemic layoff that had mostly turned into laziness. I just completed re-certification to referee again. Time to get back out there. I encourage ALL OF YOU to do it as well. I do it to stay connected with and contribute to with the game that I love. And no place else pays me to exercise. Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. Your other daughter played her ECNL-R game with a CR and 1 AR. The home team parents were asked if someone would volunteer to AR the other line and they all said NO. Looking around, it was not the only game of 11v11 missing an AR. I will say, I am thankful for the 2 refs we did have, however, they were terrible. I don't know if it is due to them being lazy, not caring, or just being bad. I like the idea of game review for additional training because it is clear some of the refs need it. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 18, 2021 16:05:28 GMT -5
Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. Your other daughter played her ECNL-R game with a CR and 1 AR. The home team parents were asked if someone would volunteer to AR the other line and they all said NO. Looking around, it was not the only game of 11v11 missing an AR. I will say, I am thankful for the 2 refs we did have, however, they were terrible. I don't know if it is due to them being lazy, not caring, or just being bad. I like the idea of game review for additional training because it is clear some of the refs need it. As long as a referee lets me put my referee jersey on and fully AR the game (fouls, offside, who touched the ball last before going out, etc...) I will always volunteer, but sometimes you get a referee that won't let me do that no matter if I am dressed out or not, and then I do decline. If I'm certified let me do the full job, otherwise good luck dude.... |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Oct 18, 2021 16:18:18 GMT -5
Yesterday my U12 academy daughter's game had NO refs. A parent center ref'd the U11 game before us and a coach from that game CR'd our game. Your other daughter played her ECNL-R game with a CR and 1 AR. The home team parents were asked if someone would volunteer to AR the other line and they all said NO. Looking around, it was not the only game of 11v11 missing an AR. I will say, I am thankful for the 2 refs we did have, however, they were terrible. I don't know if it is due to them being lazy, not caring, or just being bad. I like the idea of game review for additional training because it is clear some of the refs need it. Ugh - she didn't tell me that. Probably because we won convincingly. ;-) |
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Post by ball2futbol on Oct 18, 2021 16:18:24 GMT -5
I've had my share of yelling across the field to refs over what I thought/knew were bad or missed calls. But at the same time it's human nature, I just want them to be consistent on both sides. I see the officiating of a soccer match similar to a baseball umpire. Balls and strikes can always be questioned but atleast set the tone for how your going to call a game and be consistent. We all know good refs when we have them and typically we appreciate them for their impartiality. Too much home cooking going on around and it just becomes blatantly obvious at times which causes the most issues.
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 18, 2021 16:19:07 GMT -5
Your other daughter played her ECNL-R game with a CR and 1 AR. The home team parents were asked if someone would volunteer to AR the other line and they all said NO. Looking around, it was not the only game of 11v11 missing an AR. I will say, I am thankful for the 2 refs we did have, however, they were terrible. I don't know if it is due to them being lazy, not caring, or just being bad. I like the idea of game review for additional training because it is clear some of the refs need it. As long as a referee lets me put my referee jersey on and fully AR the game (fouls, offside, who touched the ball last before going out, etc...) I will always volunteer, but sometimes you get a referee that won't let me do that no matter if I am dressed out or not, and then I do decline. If I'm certified let me do the full job, otherwise good luck dude.... Same. Years ago, I showed up at my daughter's game in full kit to find no ARs. Two big rival clubs, top teams, 11v11. Before I arrived, both coaches asked my daughter if I was coming so I could help. Center didn't know me and wouldn't let me work as a full AR, wanted me to be a club. What? Both coaches just asked for me, every parent on both teams knew me and wondered why I wasn't allowed to ref. Super frustrating. Use some common sense... |
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Post by rifle on Oct 18, 2021 16:53:49 GMT -5
I don’t doubt that for a second. I’ve seen numerous desperate emails trying to staff games. We need more refs. You can do it!! I would be very interested in doing it but with 2 girls in club soccer and 1 in competitive cheer, I'd have no time to actually ref a game. Mine aged out so I can confirm that excuse will go away in time. I don’t try to be Ironman - I don’t work a lot of games. But every game we can work helps the cause. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 18, 2021 18:38:29 GMT -5
I've had my share of yelling across the field to refs over what I thought/knew were bad or missed calls. But at the same time it's human nature, I just want them to be consistent on both sides. I see the officiating of a soccer match similar to a baseball umpire. Balls and strikes can always be questioned but atleast set the tone for how your going to call a game and be consistent. We all know good refs when we have them and typically we appreciate them for their impartiality. Too much home cooking going on around and it just becomes blatantly obvious at times which causes the most issues. Want to hear some home cooking? We were at a game in Florida this past weekend. We have played for 2 years in this league with water breaks every time it is hot (sometimes we even get them when we don't need them). Every time in every location we have had a water break they do not add those 2 minutes back in. Yesterday at an away game we had a water break first half with no extra time added (as has been standard). We are the away team winning 1-0 and the CR adds FOUR minutes to the end of the game!!! Basically adding BOTH water breaks into the second half! COME ON dude! That is crap! Luckily it did not matter and we still won but that was ridiculous home cooking! Oh and in the previous game where the home team was winning 2-1 he did not add any time for the water breaks. There were no injuries or any other possible reasons for him to add any extra time. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 19, 2021 6:45:20 GMT -5
I've had my share of yelling across the field to refs over what I thought/knew were bad or missed calls. But at the same time it's human nature, I just want them to be consistent on both sides. I see the officiating of a soccer match similar to a baseball umpire. Balls and strikes can always be questioned but atleast set the tone for how your going to call a game and be consistent. We all know good refs when we have them and typically we appreciate them for their impartiality. Too much home cooking going on around and it just becomes blatantly obvious at times which causes the most issues. Want to hear some home cooking? We were at a game in Florida this past weekend. We have played for 2 years in this league with water breaks every time it is hot (sometimes we even get them when we don't need them). Every time in every location we have had a water break they do not add those 2 minutes back in. Yesterday at an away game we had a water break first half with no extra time added (as has been standard). We are the away team winning 1-0 and the CR adds FOUR minutes to the end of the game!!! Basically adding BOTH water breaks into the second half! COME ON dude! That is crap! Luckily it did not matter and we still won but that was ridiculous home cooking! Oh and in the previous game where the home team was winning 2-1 he did not add any time for the water breaks. There were no injuries or any other possible reasons for him to add any extra time. I just don't understand as a referee doing the home cooking thing. I have too much honesty and take too much pride in refereeing to do that. I'm not saying I don't see it. I have seen it especially with teenage referees that knew players, etc.... I just don't see many adult referees with the home cooking. Most of the time if a home referee is doing some home cooking I usually chalk it up to them just being bad referees with missed calls versus actual home cooking. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Oct 19, 2021 7:13:46 GMT -5
Want to hear some home cooking? We were at a game in Florida this past weekend. We have played for 2 years in this league with water breaks every time it is hot (sometimes we even get them when we don't need them). Every time in every location we have had a water break they do not add those 2 minutes back in. Yesterday at an away game we had a water break first half with no extra time added (as has been standard). We are the away team winning 1-0 and the CR adds FOUR minutes to the end of the game!!! Basically adding BOTH water breaks into the second half! COME ON dude! That is crap! Luckily it did not matter and we still won but that was ridiculous home cooking! Oh and in the previous game where the home team was winning 2-1 he did not add any time for the water breaks. There were no injuries or any other possible reasons for him to add any extra time. I just don't understand as a referee doing the home cooking thing. I have too much honesty and take too much pride in refereeing to do that. I'm not saying I don't see it. I have seen it especially with teenage referees that knew players, etc.... I just don't see many adult referees with the home cooking. Most of the time if a home referee is doing some home cooking I usually chalk it up to them just being bad referees with missed calls versus actual home cooking. Once the game gets going, I am usually only vaguely aware of which is the home team. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Oct 19, 2021 7:18:00 GMT -5
I've had my share of yelling across the field to refs over what I thought/knew were bad or missed calls. But at the same time it's human nature, I just want them to be consistent on both sides. I see the officiating of a soccer match similar to a baseball umpire. Balls and strikes can always be questioned but atleast set the tone for how your going to call a game and be consistent. We all know good refs when we have them and typically we appreciate them for their impartiality. Too much home cooking going on around and it just becomes blatantly obvious at times which causes the most issues. Want to hear some home cooking? We were at a game in Florida this past weekend. We have played for 2 years in this league with water breaks every time it is hot (sometimes we even get them when we don't need them). Every time in every location we have had a water break they do not add those 2 minutes back in. Yesterday at an away game we had a water break first half with no extra time added (as has been standard). We are the away team winning 1-0 and the CR adds FOUR minutes to the end of the game!!! Basically adding BOTH water breaks into the second half! COME ON dude! That is crap! Luckily it did not matter and we still won but that was ridiculous home cooking! Oh and in the previous game where the home team was winning 2-1 he did not add any time for the water breaks. There were no injuries or any other possible reasons for him to add any extra time. Most referees that I have encountered will tell you before the game that the clock will continue to run during water breaks and typically they do not add that time back, once the time hits 25, 30 or 45 minutes that's it. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 19, 2021 9:16:05 GMT -5
Want to hear some home cooking? We were at a game in Florida this past weekend. We have played for 2 years in this league with water breaks every time it is hot (sometimes we even get them when we don't need them). Every time in every location we have had a water break they do not add those 2 minutes back in. Yesterday at an away game we had a water break first half with no extra time added (as has been standard). We are the away team winning 1-0 and the CR adds FOUR minutes to the end of the game!!! Basically adding BOTH water breaks into the second half! COME ON dude! That is crap! Luckily it did not matter and we still won but that was ridiculous home cooking! Oh and in the previous game where the home team was winning 2-1 he did not add any time for the water breaks. There were no injuries or any other possible reasons for him to add any extra time. Most referees that I have encountered will tell you before the game that the clock will continue to run during water breaks and typically they do not add that time back, once the time hits 25, 30 or 45 minutes that's it. Agreed. Never had one add time. The thing that really irked me was that he did not add the time in the first half and then added both first and second half water break times to the second half. It was ridiculous. The AR on our side was also dumbfounded. He totally expected the end of the game at 90 minutes. I had a clock running so I know when the game should have been over. Personally I would love it if they actually added that time back in all of the time but no one ever does. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 19, 2021 9:44:36 GMT -5
Most referees that I have encountered will tell you before the game that the clock will continue to run during water breaks and typically they do not add that time back, once the time hits 25, 30 or 45 minutes that's it. Agreed. Never had one add time. The thing that really irked me was that he did not add the time in the first half and then added both first and second half water break times to the second half. It was ridiculous. The AR on our side was also dumbfounded. He totally expected the end of the game at 90 minutes. I had a clock running so I know when the game should have been over. Personally I would love it if they actually added that time back in all of the time but no one ever does. Even if you were to add back time you would never lump both 1H and 2H extra time all into the 2H. That isn't the correct way to do things. Extra time has to be added to that half you are currently in. I have also seen referees screw up on a 40 minute game and call halftime at 35 minutes. Even after they are informed they messed up, they usually only do 35 minutes in the 2nd half to make it even as the halves should be equal. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 19, 2021 10:02:14 GMT -5
Agreed. Never had one add time. The thing that really irked me was that he did not add the time in the first half and then added both first and second half water break times to the second half. It was ridiculous. The AR on our side was also dumbfounded. He totally expected the end of the game at 90 minutes. I had a clock running so I know when the game should have been over. Personally I would love it if they actually added that time back in all of the time but no one ever does. Even if you were to add back time you would never lump both 1H and 2H extra time all into the 2H. That isn't the correct way to do things. Extra time has to be added to that half you are currently in. I have also seen referees screw up on a 40 minute game and call halftime at 35 minutes. Even after they are informed they messed up, they usually only do 35 minutes in the 2nd half to make it even as the halves should be equal. Oh, I know that they should add it to the appropriate half. That was part of the reason we were all so annoyed! I will say we have had the 35 minute or 40 minute half done incorrectly in the past. One time the ref added to the second half. The other time he called them back out for another 5 minutes in the first half and then did correct second half. |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 19, 2021 10:23:37 GMT -5
The refs in both ECNL and ECRL have been instructed that they can add stoppage time to the games, particularly in close games. This has incurred in most close games this season. When a team is up by 2 or more goals, they tend to end the game on time. Otherwise, if there were injuries or subs, they will add a couple of minutes.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 19, 2021 11:13:41 GMT -5
The refs in both ECNL and ECRL have been instructed that they can add stoppage time to the games, particularly in close games. This has incurred in most close games this season. When a team is up by 2 or more goals, they tend to end the game on time. Otherwise, if there were injuries or subs, they will add a couple of minutes. I tend to add a minute or two on each half if there were excessive subs or a few injuries or if a ball goes to no-mans land and it takes a while to restart due to having to either retrieve the ball or have to get another ball. I've always allowed an attack to continue as any referee should even if it makes the game go over. If it is a blowout or a 2+ goal lead, I generally won't. I don't generally give extra time for water breaks unless there is an excessive delay getting back on the pitch from it. If a team winning by 1 or tied slow play restart, I will make a point to give extra time and will even tell them this, and tell them if they continue to do so they will get a yellow for time wasting. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Oct 19, 2021 11:16:16 GMT -5
The refs in both ECNL and ECRL have been instructed that they can add stoppage time to the games, particularly in close games. This has incurred in most close games this season. When a team is up by 2 or more goals, they tend to end the game on time. Otherwise, if there were injuries or subs, they will add a couple of minutes. I tend to add a minute or two on each half if there were excessive subs or a few injuries or if a ball goes to no-mans land and it takes a while to restart due to having to either retrieve the ball or have to get another ball. I've always allowed an attack to continue as any referee should even if it makes the game go over. If it is a blowout or a 2+ goal lead, I generally won't. I don't generally give extra time for water breaks unless there is an excessive delay getting back on the pitch from it. My understanding is that the clock runs during water breaks - no added time for those. Agree with adding a minute or two if there have been long delays, although for me it has to be pretty egregious. |
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Post by soccerwiz on Oct 31, 2021 11:24:38 GMT -5
This has been an ongoing problem especially in branch locations of mega clubs for several years now. The mega clubs do not pay these coaches enough money on 1099 to attract the best and the brightest. The Directors and salaried club staff have too many teams as well to be able to be at all their games. It is a disaster right now. Luckily my son's team has always had 1 steady coach even if it changes year to year. My daughter on the other hand being in academy is always a hodge podge of coaches at any given game or training session. The clubs need to start paying more money to these 1099 coaches to attract more and better ones. While pay increase will help on the referee end as well, I'm not sure pay will ultimately fix the referee shortage. As one club raises their pay all clubs will match within a month. The issue is no one wants to take the initial class at $90-$110 a pop and front all the money for flags, at least 2 uniforms colors, bag, whistle, etc.... before even getting paid at all. Then no teenager wants to start refereeing with the abuse the parents (and sometimes even coaches) give to the referees at any given time, and the pay really isn't really great for an adult who has a day job to work it as a side job depending on age you referee etc... The referee issue is a multiple issue problem: 1) increase pay 2) figure out a way to reduce the cost of the certification class and initial kits these referees need 3) Offer incentives for Select players for reduction in their fees to get certified and referee X numbers of games a season 4) Make classes more easily available and assessable 5) Parents need to stop berating the referees. I will caveat though that there also needs to be a good process to film and or turn-in referees that are bad referees for review, so that those referees get re-trained or have their certification revoked. I am a referee and know there are very bad referees out there. I just had a set of referees at my son's game Saturday that was probably the worst officiating (except for the AR1) that I have ever seen at that level of a game in my lifetime. It wasn't 1 or 2 blown calls it was multiple offside calls (the AR2 was an older adult who should know the rules) and also almost no foul calls or cards even with players running into the back of the legs of players. It became a very serious player safety issue where I was afraid a kid was going to get a knee blown out or a broken bone. What made matters worse was the AR2 would interact with the parents, and he was basically aggravating the situation even more by conversating with them when the parents weren't even talking to the AR2. The kids on my son's team also said that the AR2 interacted with the kids from the previous game and actually cussed at those players after the game was over then denied that he did it. The dude doesn't need to be refereeing at all. I called to the coach to handle the issue before someone got hurt even if it meant pulling our kids off the pitch. The center didn't want to call any fouls what-so-ever which ended up making the game get out of hand as well. There has to be a way to send in a full video of a game for review by a referee committee for reprimand and our retraining for situations like I witnessed Saturday. As a referee I welcome it as well. |
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Post by soccerwiz on Oct 31, 2021 11:41:53 GMT -5
Most of you are missing some of the salient points on the shortage of referees:
1) In the "old days" there were 9-11 games played over a 12-13 week season. It was rare to have a Sunday game, more rare to have two games on a weekend. There was also no fall break for schools.
2) Teams might play 1-2 pre and post season tournaments (this includes the high quality out of state events).
3) With the advent of the internet and then SINC and Got Soccer with tournament management systems, clubs realized that they could run their own tournaments without a true skill set or experience in doing so. And further, they could start making major bank on it. So, they pushed Georgia Soccer out of it and began their own tournaments. But, and this is a huge "but", they couldn't get more than 100-140 teams, making them profitable, but not very profitable. Some DOC, here there or wherever, came up with the idea of reciprocity and voila, now your kid is playing at least 2 pre and 2 post season local tournaments that are hosted by another club in Georgia. Your kid plays the same teams at each tournament and in the regular season. The tournament doesn't have to be well run because the reciprocity agreements guarantee a large turnout. But, it none of this matters because it's raising major money for your club.
4) With the proliferation of these tournaments came a demand for the regular season to be compressed. Add to it that no one wants to make the tough choices on limiting division sizes, which allows teams to be placed in higher divisions (my kid is playing Classic 1 or Premier A). So, now you've got 12-13 games in a nine week season (assuming no rainouts) plus all those tournaments.
5) All of this works together to make kids too busy to become referees and their parents who often became referees to do something with the kids can't either (they're driving the kids to the games).
6) Smart clubs provide subsidies to people to take the course and gear up, but if no one has the time to do it, there will continue to be a dramatic shortage. The only kids with the time are playing recreational soccer and they usually don't know the game well enough to officiate at the level required of competitive games.
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Post by rifle on Oct 31, 2021 12:32:50 GMT -5
I worked three games Saturday. First games in twenty months. I did alright, not great and was just an AR but it felt great to be back out there. And I’m sure my booker is pleased to have one less finger in the dam (because I finally got off my butt).
Please get certified and try it.
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Post by baller84 on Oct 31, 2021 18:35:25 GMT -5
There have been monster changes in the soccer landscape the last 5-10 years.
Club fees have only gone up, and I'm pretty sure the Directors of the top ones at least are doing quite well.
Every reason for referee shortage I can think of is mentioned already.
The more serious and complex problem is the growing shortage of coaches, especially qualified coaches.
Money can be one thing but there must be more reasons driving so many of them away from youth soccer or not attracting new ones ...
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Post by justwatching on Nov 1, 2021 7:53:37 GMT -5
The more serious and complex problem is the growing shortage of coaches, especially qualified coaches. Money can be one thing but there must be more reasons driving so many of them away from youth soccer or not attracting new ones ... PARENTS!!!! I'm joking, well kind of, maybe... |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Nov 1, 2021 8:02:49 GMT -5
The more serious and complex problem is the growing shortage of coaches, especially qualified coaches. Money can be one thing but there must be more reasons driving so many of them away from youth soccer or not attracting new ones ... PARENTS!!!! I'm joking, well kind of, maybe... You’re a 100%. When you have a sideline full of wannabe coaches and refs it’s tough. Whatever happened to just showing up keeping your mouth shut and then cheering when your child does something well? The next time I hear a parent yell you can’t play the ball while on the ground I’m going to take a copy of the rule book and shove it down their throats. |
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Post by justwatching on Nov 1, 2021 11:10:19 GMT -5
PARENTS!!!! I'm joking, well kind of, maybe... You’re a 100%. When you have a sideline full of wannabe coaches and refs it’s tough. Whatever happened to just showing up keeping your mouth shut and then cheering when your child does something well? The next time I hear a parent yell you can’t play the ball while on the ground I’m going to take a copy of the rule book and shove it down their throats. Just imagine how many fewer teachers we would have if we parents did the same thing to them that we do to coaches |
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