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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 8, 2021 17:21:09 GMT -5
Somehow the SEC snuck in 7 teams! - www.ncaa.com/brackets/soccer-women/d1/2021I didn't expect that. Arkansas Tenn South Carolina Ole Miss Auburn LSU Alabama Georgia's RPI was just to low. Another year on the outside looking in. But what is crazy - the state of Alabama has 4 teams in the tournament Alabama Auburn South Alabama Samford How many teams are from Georgia -- 0. Big fat 0. ZERO Not that we have has many teams competing for chances, but the fact that Atlanta has some of the best youth girls soccer in the country, and we basically have one top girls program in Georgia, who still isn't anywhere near a top program. EVERY state that borders Georgia has a team in south carolina - 2 Florida - 2 Alabama - 4 Tenn - 3 North Carolina - 5 |
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Post by fan on Nov 9, 2021 9:30:33 GMT -5
Clemson made it in too so South Carolina has 2 teams in. I haven’t followed UGA’s team very closely but they seem to be improving in recent years. Hopefully that trend will continue.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 9, 2021 9:45:04 GMT -5
Clemson made it in too so South Carolina has 2 teams in. I haven’t followed UGA’s team very closely but they seem to be improving in recent years. Hopefully that trend will continue. Definitely improving and IMO this has some to do with covid and less money available at other institutions due to 5th and 6th year students. Also some to do with improved competition at UFA when they got DA instead of RPL/NL and then ECNL when DA folded. So increased number of teams in Georgia the last 4-5 years playing in "top leagues" from the colleges' viewpoint so more "top" players to choose from and keep in state. Also increased price of college means that it is harder to argue that the money provided for out of state schools covers the cost of education as well as Hope/Zell Miller plus athletic money (stacking). Put all of this together and you have been recruiting for Georgia. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 9, 2021 10:41:19 GMT -5
If only Georgia Tech would start a women's program... Not saying they'd be immediately in the NCAA tourney, but they could easily put together a reasonably competitive ACC team.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 9, 2021 11:08:18 GMT -5
Yea, love to hear Georgia Tech's rationale, it's a no brainer. granted we are in the times of covid and athletic departments had a tough year. But -- ADD WOMENS SOCCER NOW.
ALSO ADD MEN'S SOCCER NOW!!!
which is probably deserving of it's own thread, but to those following mens soccer:
James Madison and many others are leaving conferences to join the Sun Belt.
Marshall, Old Dominion, and I believe Coastal Carolina are joining the Sun Belt also. This leaves Conference USA in limbo, particularly for soccer which is a strange collection of teams --remember this league has Kentucky and South Carolina, the only 2 mens teams in the SEC. So these 2 teams aren't sure about their future soccer affiliations.
Bottom line --- this needs to happen:
GA tech -- add women's and men's soccer
SEC --- add men's soccer now! Men's soccer at SEC schools would be a game changer given the resources available at these institutions.
But the truth, the real bottom line -- GA tech will not add women's soccer, SEC schools are not adding men's soccer teams.
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 9, 2021 11:29:44 GMT -5
Yea, love to hear Georgia Tech's rationale, it's a no brainer. granted we are in the times of covid and athletic departments had a tough year. But -- ADD WOMENS SOCCER NOW. ALSO ADD MEN'S SOCCER NOW!!! which is probably deserving of it's own thread, but to those following mens soccer: James Madison and many others are leaving conferences to join the Sun Belt. Marshall, Old Dominion, and I believe Coastal Carolina are joining the Sun Belt also. This leaves Conference USA in limbo, particularly for soccer which is a strange collection of teams --remember this league has Kentucky and South Carolina, the only 2 mens teams in the SEC. So these 2 teams aren't sure about their future soccer affiliations. Bottom line --- this needs to happen: GA tech -- add women's and men's soccer SEC --- add men's soccer now! Men's soccer at SEC schools would be a game changer given the resources available at these institutions. But the truth, the real bottom line -- GA tech will not add women's soccer, SEC schools are not adding men's soccer teams. Why would Georgia Tech or any other school for that matter add a soccer program unless it was needed to comply with Title IX? The UGA women's soccer program paid out $1,524,032 in expenses while making $85,459 in total revenue. The UNC Chapel Hill women’s soccer program paid out $1,766,133 in expenses while making $859,039 in total revenue. The program lost money to the tune of $-907,094. UNC Chapel Hill brought in $570,215 in revenue from its men’s soccer program while paying out $1,201,712 in expenses. The program lost money, racking up a net loss of $-631,497. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 11:37:44 GMT -5
Yea, love to hear Georgia Tech's rationale, it's a no brainer. granted we are in the times of covid and athletic departments had a tough year. But -- ADD WOMENS SOCCER NOW. ALSO ADD MEN'S SOCCER NOW!!! which is probably deserving of it's own thread, but to those following mens soccer: James Madison and many others are leaving conferences to join the Sun Belt. Marshall, Old Dominion, and I believe Coastal Carolina are joining the Sun Belt also. This leaves Conference USA in limbo, particularly for soccer which is a strange collection of teams --remember this league has Kentucky and South Carolina, the only 2 mens teams in the SEC. So these 2 teams aren't sure about their future soccer affiliations. Bottom line --- this needs to happen: GA tech -- add women's and men's soccer SEC --- add men's soccer now! Men's soccer at SEC schools would be a game changer given the resources available at these institutions. But the truth, the real bottom line -- GA tech will not add women's soccer, SEC schools are not adding men's soccer teams. Why would Georgia Tech or any other school for that matter add a soccer program unless it was needed to comply with Title IX? The UGA women's soccer program paid out $1,524,032 in expenses while making $85,459 in total revenue. The UNC Chapel Hill women’s soccer program paid out $1,766,133 in expenses while making $859,039 in total revenue. The program lost money to the tune of $-907,094. UNC Chapel Hill brought in $570,215 in revenue from its men’s soccer program while paying out $1,201,712 in expenses. The program lost money, racking up a net loss of $-631,497. Yeah I haven't heard recently how Ga Tech's finances are on the athletic side but I recall in recent years they weren't doing well. At least not well enough to add a program that they know would lose money. I flipped on a recent Tech home football game on TV and the attendance was dreadful. Not exactly an ideal situation for adding a sport like soccer. |
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 9, 2021 11:43:57 GMT -5
Why would Georgia Tech or any other school for that matter add a soccer program unless it was needed to comply with Title IX? The UGA women's soccer program paid out $1,524,032 in expenses while making $85,459 in total revenue. The UNC Chapel Hill women’s soccer program paid out $1,766,133 in expenses while making $859,039 in total revenue. The program lost money to the tune of $-907,094. UNC Chapel Hill brought in $570,215 in revenue from its men’s soccer program while paying out $1,201,712 in expenses. The program lost money, racking up a net loss of $-631,497. Yeah I haven't heard recently how Ga Tech's finances are on the athletic side but I recall in recent years they weren't doing well. At least not well enough to add a program that they know would lose money. I flipped on a recent Tech home football game on TV and the attendance was dreadful. Not exactly an ideal situation for adding a sport like soccer. Net operating losses 2019-2017 lost $15 million in 2019; lost $253,000 in 2018; lost $1.7 million in 2017. An accountant could probably analyze it better than I could but result is not good. fin-services.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/images/georgia_tech_athletic_association_fs_6_30_19-final.pdf |
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Post by ball2futbol on Nov 9, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5
Most if not all professional sports franchises operate year-to-year at a loss, NFL included. College Athletic Department balance sheets will likely never justify any sport being played, let alone men's and/or women's soccer.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 12:21:04 GMT -5
Most if not all professional sports franchises operate year-to-year at a loss, NFL included. College Athletic Department balance sheets will likely never justify any sport being played, let alone men's and/or women's soccer. Football and men's basketball beg to differ. Those college sports are basically funding all others. I'm sure there are places with some exceptions, like women's b-ball at UConn. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 12:31:39 GMT -5
Yeah I haven't heard recently how Ga Tech's finances are on the athletic side but I recall in recent years they weren't doing well. At least not well enough to add a program that they know would lose money. I flipped on a recent Tech home football game on TV and the attendance was dreadful. Not exactly an ideal situation for adding a sport like soccer. Net operating losses 2019-2017 lost $15 million in 2019; lost $253,000 in 2018; lost $1.7 million in 2017. An accountant could probably analyze it better than I could but result is not good. fin-services.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/images/georgia_tech_athletic_association_fs_6_30_19-final.pdfYeah this is in line with what I had heard. Just no way they could entertain adding another sport anytime soon. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 9, 2021 13:07:03 GMT -5
yea, that's why i said it won't happen.
most athletic departments even prior to covid operate in the red and lose money annually.
But the numbers are hard to interpret as well, because I don't' think the SEC for example breaks down their SEC tv contract by sport when it comes to the SEC network.
for example if for some reason 10 million people watched the womens soccer sec championship, I don't think more money is going to be allocated necessarily to women's soccer. the schools just get a big dump of cash. I guess future tourneys could attempt to sell advertising at a higher cost, but still not sure if that money can be earmarked or not.
If you don't have a top 25 football program, your athletic program is probably losing money unless your name is Duke or UNC.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 13:55:48 GMT -5
yea, that's why i said it won't happen. most athletic departments even prior to covid operate in the red and lose money annually. But the numbers are hard to interpret as well, because I don't' think the SEC for example breaks down their SEC tv contract by sport when it comes to the SEC network. for example if for some reason 10 million people watched the womens soccer sec championship, I don't think more money is going to be allocated necessarily to women's soccer. the schools just get a big dump of cash. I guess future tourneys could attempt to sell advertising at a higher cost, but still not sure if that money can be earmarked or not. If you don't have a top 25 football program, your athletic program is probably losing money unless your name is Duke or UNC. There's a reason they don't break out the sports for a TV contract - because the viewership is ridiculously low for the majority of these sports. I found this article on the viewership of last year's various women's NCAA title games: espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/06/womens-championships-cap-impressive-season-of-growth-across-espn-networks-with-womens-college-world-series/The women's soccer final had around 149k viewers. The women's b-ball final had 4M viewers. The 3-game women's softball championship series averaged 1.8M viewers. Compare that to college football this year, where the biggest audience so far was for Michigan vs Mich State (9.3M viewers) and next was UGA-Clemson @ 8.8M. Remember these are regular season games, not championships. Comparable college FB games to the 3 women's championships listed above are: E. Michigan vs. Toledo - 180k viewers Texas A&M vs. Arkansas - 4M viewers Baylor vs. TCU - 1.8M viewers BTW, I got the college FB data from this link: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/ |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 9, 2021 14:27:05 GMT -5
yea, that's why i said it won't happen. most athletic departments even prior to covid operate in the red and lose money annually. But the numbers are hard to interpret as well, because I don't' think the SEC for example breaks down their SEC tv contract by sport when it comes to the SEC network. for example if for some reason 10 million people watched the womens soccer sec championship, I don't think more money is going to be allocated necessarily to women's soccer. the schools just get a big dump of cash. I guess future tourneys could attempt to sell advertising at a higher cost, but still not sure if that money can be earmarked or not. If you don't have a top 25 football program, your athletic program is probably losing money unless your name is Duke or UNC. There's a reason they don't break out the sports for a TV contract - because the viewership is ridiculously low for the majority of these sports. I found this article on the viewership of last year's various women's NCAA title games: espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/06/womens-championships-cap-impressive-season-of-growth-across-espn-networks-with-womens-college-world-series/The women's soccer final had around 149k viewers. The women's b-ball final had 4M viewers. The 3-game women's softball championship series averaged 1.8M viewers. Compare that to college football this year, where the biggest audience so far was for Michigan vs Mich State (9.3M viewers) and next was UGA-Clemson @ 8.8M. Remember these are regular season games, not championships. Comparable college FB games to the 3 women's championships listed above are: E. Michigan vs. Toledo - 180k viewers Texas A&M vs. Arkansas - 4M viewers Baylor vs. TCU - 1.8M viewers BTW, I got the college FB data from this link: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/and to add, SEC is switching from cbs to espn for their primary game on saturdays in 2023 i believe, its a a billion dollar deal! |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 14:33:11 GMT -5
There's a reason they don't break out the sports for a TV contract - because the viewership is ridiculously low for the majority of these sports. I found this article on the viewership of last year's various women's NCAA title games: espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/06/womens-championships-cap-impressive-season-of-growth-across-espn-networks-with-womens-college-world-series/The women's soccer final had around 149k viewers. The women's b-ball final had 4M viewers. The 3-game women's softball championship series averaged 1.8M viewers. Compare that to college football this year, where the biggest audience so far was for Michigan vs Mich State (9.3M viewers) and next was UGA-Clemson @ 8.8M. Remember these are regular season games, not championships. Comparable college FB games to the 3 women's championships listed above are: E. Michigan vs. Toledo - 180k viewers Texas A&M vs. Arkansas - 4M viewers Baylor vs. TCU - 1.8M viewers BTW, I got the college FB data from this link: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/and to add, SEC is switching from cbs to espn for their primary game on saturdays in 2023 i believe, its a a billion dollar deal! Correct - it's crazy to think that the SEC's CBS contract was actually way under market value and the new ESPN/ABC deal is much higher. And that was BEFORE OU & Texas was accepted as new members of the SEC. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 9, 2021 15:11:44 GMT -5
yea, that's why i said it won't happen. most athletic departments even prior to covid operate in the red and lose money annually. But the numbers are hard to interpret as well, because I don't' think the SEC for example breaks down their SEC tv contract by sport when it comes to the SEC network. for example if for some reason 10 million people watched the womens soccer sec championship, I don't think more money is going to be allocated necessarily to women's soccer. the schools just get a big dump of cash. I guess future tourneys could attempt to sell advertising at a higher cost, but still not sure if that money can be earmarked or not. If you don't have a top 25 football program, your athletic program is probably losing money unless your name is Duke or UNC. There's a reason they don't break out the sports for a TV contract - because the viewership is ridiculously low for the majority of these sports. I found this article on the viewership of last year's various women's NCAA title games: espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/06/womens-championships-cap-impressive-season-of-growth-across-espn-networks-with-womens-college-world-series/The women's soccer final had around 149k viewers. The women's b-ball final had 4M viewers. The 3-game women's softball championship series averaged 1.8M viewers. Compare that to college football this year, where the biggest audience so far was for Michigan vs Mich State (9.3M viewers) and next was UGA-Clemson @ 8.8M. Remember these are regular season games, not championships. Comparable college FB games to the 3 women's championships listed above are: E. Michigan vs. Toledo - 180k viewers Texas A&M vs. Arkansas - 4M viewers Baylor vs. TCU - 1.8M viewers BTW, I got the college FB data from this link: www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/How much of this discrepancy is due to game times/dates and advertising. Honestly you see a lot more advertising for women's BB and college world series than u do for women's soccer. Seems like you can see about every softball game leading up to the final on TV too but good luck watching women's soccer early round games! BTW 4 M and 1.8 M are not bad numbers! That is pretty good for women's sports! |
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Post by mightydawg on Nov 9, 2021 15:25:25 GMT -5
Those numbers of better than MLS viewership on ABC and ESPN. Top 5 matches on ABC and ESPN this season
Sun, May 9 – Portland Timbers vs. Seattle Sounders (620,000) & Inter Miami CF vs. Atlanta United (557,000)
Sun, Jun 20 – Atlanta United vs. Philadelphia Union (546,000)
Sat, Apr 24 – LAFC vs. Seattle Sounders (499,000)
Sun, Apr 18 – Inter Miami CF vs. LA Galaxy (482,000)
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 9, 2021 16:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 9, 2021 16:40:12 GMT -5
WOW! very surprised.early signing day is tomorrow. Beginning of the year with the upset over clemson, I thought they had turned the corner. interesting, his best season with the dawgs as well. Their RPI just wasn't strong enough to get them in the dance. DIVISION I HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE Year School Record 2021 Georgia 11-5-2 2020-21 Georgia 5-7-3 2019 Georgia 8-7-4 2018 Georgia 4-9-5 2017 Georgia 4-12-2 2016 Georgia 6-11-1 2015 Georgia 5-12-1 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 9, 2021 17:56:09 GMT -5
WOW! very surprised.early signing day is tomorrow. Beginning of the year with the upset over clemson, I thought they had turned the corner. interesting, his best season with the dawgs as well. Their RPI just wasn't strong enough to get them in the dance. DIVISION I HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE Year School Record 2021 Georgia 11-5-2 2020-21 Georgia 5-7-3 2019 Georgia 8-7-4 2018 Georgia 4-9-5 2017 Georgia 4-12-2 2016 Georgia 6-11-1 2015 Georgia 5-12-1 Agreed that it seems strange to fire him now after their only strong season under him. First time in a while they have been in SEC tournament. Personally would have fired him last year or the year before l, but given that they did not and he had a season like this year I would have given him one more to see what he could do. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 15, 2021 9:30:36 GMT -5
I missed a lot of the games, but tried to watch snippets of some.
Tourney has had some good games so far.
Bama got an early goal and held on against Clemson.
Duke needed a goal in the 90th minute to beat Old Dominion.
UNC lost to South Carolina, first time they have ever lost a first round game. (huge huge SEC win here)
FSU rolls
Samford upset Auburn 2-0 --- props to the smaller programs, Samford beat bama during the season -- Alabama state champs!
Santa Clara gets by Stanford, tough opening round game for the defending champs.
LSU and ole miss go down, as expected.....
Arkansas rolls also -- the pride of the SEC has become a a powerhouse!! Pretty crazy.
I still think FSU ends up winning it all
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 19, 2021 8:47:12 GMT -5
Bama got rocked by BYU -- BYU with 10 goals in 2 games. 2 goals came in the first 20 minutes, it was over quick...
Interestingly -- byu lost to Auburn and Arkansas during the season - then rolled through their regular season.
UVA also advances. Most of the games are actually today, so not sure why they both played yesterday......
I'll go with Santa Clara to upset G'town
and the rest will be chalk -
pulling for samford over St. Johns -- would be a huge win!
south Carolina
TCU
Notre Damn
Rutgers
Duke
Wisconsin
Pepperdine
Tenn
USC
FSU
MIchican
ArKanSAS
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Post by ball2futbol on Nov 19, 2021 11:35:11 GMT -5
Bama got rocked by BYU -- BYU with 10 goals in 2 games. 2 goals came in the first 20 minutes, it was over quick... Interestingly -- byu lost to Auburn and Arkansas during the season - then rolled through their regular season. UVA also advances. Most of the games are actually today, so not sure why they both played yesterday...... I'll go with Santa Clara to upset G'town and the rest will be chalk - pulling for samford over St. Johns -- would be a huge win! south Carolina TCU Notre Damn Rutgers Duke Wisconsin Pepperdine Tenn USC FSU MIchican ArKanSAS BYU looked really impressive! With the exception of 1 or 2 players, they made Bama look a full step slower and constantly trying to recover on defense. BYU vs UVA should be fun to watch! Tourney is wide open, no clear favorite and metro Atlanta well represented across teams still in contention. |
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