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Post by nole95 on Nov 15, 2021 7:55:05 GMT -5
Back to the topic of referee shortages, my daughter's U19 SCCL Club team ran into an interesting situation this past weekend.
We were short an AR. I noticed it well before the game, and once the game started, there was no AR on the parent sideline. Thought it strange because we had one other game this season at another club where they asked a parent to be an AR and only call when the ball went out. No issue, and the SCCL rules allow for this.
Half ends with our team up 3-1. There were no issues with the one AR, the game was clean and there were no offsides calls that were missed.
The 10 minute halftime comes and goes and the game does not resume. A few of our players come over and ask if anyone wants to help be an AR for the second half. One parent agrees and the ref gives them their instructions.
Another 5 minutes pass, and my daughter comes over and tells us the other team's coach is trying to force a forfeit because we are short an AR. Head ref I believe has explained this is allowed and our coach has called the club director to confirm. Meanwhile, we have 30+ girls sitting around in the very cold temps trying to keep their legs warm. I start getting irritated and yelling across the field to let the girls play. It was ridiculous.
In the end, I think the coach refused to field his team, at which point the head ref blew the whistle ending the game. Never in all the years that my daughter has been playing have I seen something like this happen. There was a college coach in attendance as well, and even they were at a loss of words for what this coach did. To top it off, the team we were playing was here overnight to play a series of games over the weekend. A complete disservice to both sets of players.
Of course the main question everyone had is if this supposed coach had an issue with a missing AR, why didn't he bring it up prior to the start of the game? Everything could have been explained and taken care of well before he created a situation at halftime.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 15, 2021 8:17:13 GMT -5
The team that refused to field their team will be forced to forfeit in this situation. Club Official (what a parent is called when they hold a flag) can do nothing official except for raise their flag straight up when the ball fully goes out of bounds. They are not supposed to specify offside, who it was out on, fouls or anything else. SCCL rules does not preclude using Club Officials if there are lack of official ARs.
If the coach allowed the first half to play without an objection to the referee and other coach at the time, then he has no grounds to pull that crap in the 2nd half. He likely did it because they were losing and wanted to try for your daughter's team to have to forfeit due to that.
Any appeal to SCCL will be ruled harshly toward that coach.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 15, 2021 9:18:42 GMT -5
I worked 7 SCCL games in the past two weeks. 2 had full certified crews. 4 we found a certified but related (player sibling) to help as AR. Yes, we let them call everything, no one at the field cares, and as center I made sure they got paid. 1 ran with no club AR because none of the parents would step up.
The shortage is real, and parents continue to berate and harass those that show up.
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Nov 15, 2021 9:39:38 GMT -5
I did a couple of academy games this weekend with the new "recreational referees" who (in theory) watched an online video. Both were U13 ECNL players.
It may have been better than nothing, but to say there was a lack in professionalism would be an understatement. One kid was dancing with the flag half the time...
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 15, 2021 10:02:33 GMT -5
I worked 7 SCCL games in the past two weeks. 2 had full certified crews. 4 we found a certified but related (player sibling) to help as AR. Yes, we let them call everything, no one at the field cares, and as center I made sure they got paid. 1 ran with no club AR because none of the parents would step up. The shortage is real, and parents continue to berate and harass those that show up. I've pretty much have had to AR (along with another dad) about 80% of my kid's SCCL games this season since we are both certified. I have had to center or AR (as has my son who referees as well) for my younger kid's academy games as well. We have thick skin but the parents are indeed still just as bad as they always are sometimes, and 99% of the time it is something they have no clue about or had no vantage point to see what we saw and why we called what we called. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 15, 2021 19:12:14 GMT -5
I worked 7 SCCL games in the past two weeks. 2 had full certified crews. 4 we found a certified but related (player sibling) to help as AR. Yes, we let them call everything, no one at the field cares, and as center I made sure they got paid. 1 ran with no club AR because none of the parents would step up. The shortage is real, and parents continue to berate and harass those that show up. I've pretty much have had to AR (along with another dad) about 80% of my kid's SCCL games this season since we are both certified. I have had to center or AR (as has my son who referees as well) for my younger kid's academy games as well. We have thick skin but the parents are indeed still just as bad as they always are sometimes, and 99% of the time it is something they have no clue about or had no vantage point to see what we saw and why we called what we called. hey man you have to admit that sitting in a chair near midfield is the best vantage point to judge offside calls near the penalty area. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 15, 2021 21:35:59 GMT -5
I've pretty much have had to AR (along with another dad) about 80% of my kid's SCCL games this season since we are both certified. I have had to center or AR (as has my son who referees as well) for my younger kid's academy games as well. We have thick skin but the parents are indeed still just as bad as they always are sometimes, and 99% of the time it is something they have no clue about or had no vantage point to see what we saw and why we called what we called. hey man you have to admit that sitting in a chair near midfield is the best vantage point to judge offside calls near the penalty area. Close - the chair by the opposite corner flag is the best place to see everything, and you can harass an AR. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 16, 2021 1:30:32 GMT -5
This is odd but kind of a smart move, though the sportsmanship aspect is crap. Assuming this is Tenn United and the game was their Saturday night game at UFA. With the game getting to halftime it’s technically an official game so the coach saved his players 45 mins of game time. You have to take into consideration the team played GSA Saturday morning and then still had Nth on Sunday before heading back to Nashville. All this as TN just wrapped or wrapping up Girls HS soccer so these players are barely in preseason club shape / been beaten to hell and back from HS.
Not sure Tenn United knew what they were getting into when they decided to add SCCL this year as this team has another three game weekend in Atlanta in December. Who wants to bet their Girls side will not be back next Fall?
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Post by justwatching on Nov 16, 2021 8:25:16 GMT -5
This is odd but kind of a smart move, though the sportsmanship aspect is crap. Assuming this is Tenn United and the game was their Saturday night game at UFA. With the game getting to halftime it’s technically an official game so the coach saved his players 45 mins of game time. You have to take into consideration the team played GSA Saturday morning and then still had Nth on Sunday before heading back to Nashville. All this as TN just wrapped or wrapping up Girls HS soccer so these players are barely in preseason club shape / been beaten to hell and back from HS. Not sure Tenn United knew what they were getting into when they decided to add SCCL this year as this team has another three game weekend in Atlanta in December. Who wants to bet their Girls side will not be back next Fall? U19 playing two competitive games in one day sounds like a terrible idea |
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Post by bolo on Nov 16, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
I worked 7 SCCL games in the past two weeks. 2 had full certified crews. 4 we found a certified but related (player sibling) to help as AR. Yes, we let them call everything, no one at the field cares, and as center I made sure they got paid. 1 ran with no club AR because none of the parents would step up. The shortage is real, and parents continue to berate and harass those that show up. I've pretty much have had to AR (along with another dad) about 80% of my kid's SCCL games this season since we are both certified. I have had to center or AR (as has my son who referees as well) for my younger kid's academy games as well. We have thick skin but the parents are indeed still just as bad as they always are sometimes, and 99% of the time it is something they have no clue about or had no vantage point to see what we saw and why we called what we called. I hate when folks over-exaggerate for no reason. 99% of the time parents & players aren't wrong when they yell or complain about a call or non-call. You act like parents haven't been watching soccer for years by the time they get into the select (U13 & up) ages and have no concept of the rules. They clearly do- you almost can't avoid it watching that much soccer, especially at the higher levels. Same with the players. It just buys me when refs come on the board and act like they've never missed a call, or when they do, no one- player, coach, or parent- should say anything or express any frustration. That's not how real life works. I'll give you an example- in one of my kid's games on Sunday afternoon, late in a tie game, a player on the other team shoved a girl on our team down from behind, square in the back. Blatant foul, easy call. And a foul was correctly called. However, the ref initially signaled a free kick for the other team, which really confused everyone. So as their player starts to set up for the free kick, our players start complaining, as do our parents, and then our coach is able to get the ref to take a second to think about what he just called and how he had screwed it up. It took about 20 seconds (and some consultation with the clearly overwhelmed AR who was maybe 13 years old) before he realized what he had done, and he finally switched the call and gave us the free kick we had earned. But were it not for everyone on our side complaining loudly about it, he would have just let the other team take the kick. But maybe that's the 1% you think the players, parents, & coaches might possibly be able to get right! Look, I appreciate the difficult & usually thankless job that refs have to do, but let's not act like they do it perfectly 100% of the time. They're human, they miss calls here & there. It happens. And parents (and players & coaches) are human too- when they see a missed call, they're going to complain about it. It happens. We're all human. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 16, 2021 10:12:50 GMT -5
Nashville to ATL simply doesn't make sense.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 16, 2021 11:46:45 GMT -5
I've pretty much have had to AR (along with another dad) about 80% of my kid's SCCL games this season since we are both certified. I have had to center or AR (as has my son who referees as well) for my younger kid's academy games as well. We have thick skin but the parents are indeed still just as bad as they always are sometimes, and 99% of the time it is something they have no clue about or had no vantage point to see what we saw and why we called what we called. I hate when folks over-exaggerate for no reason. 99% of the time parents & players aren't wrong when they yell or complain about a call or non-call. You act like parents haven't been watching soccer for years by the time they get into the select (U13 & up) ages and have no concept of the rules. They clearly do- you almost can't avoid it watching that much soccer, especially at the higher levels. Same with the players. It just buys me when refs come on the board and act like they've never missed a call, or when they do, no one- player, coach, or parent- should say anything or express any frustration. That's not how real life works. I'll give you an example- in one of my kid's games on Sunday afternoon, late in a tie game, a player on the other team shoved a girl on our team down from behind, square in the back. Blatant foul, easy call. And a foul was correctly called. However, the ref initially signaled a free kick for the other team, which really confused everyone. So as their player starts to set up for the free kick, our players start complaining, as do our parents, and then our coach is able to get the ref to take a second to think about what he just called and how he had screwed it up. It took about 20 seconds (and some consultation with the clearly overwhelmed AR who was maybe 13 years old) before he realized what he had done, and he finally switched the call and gave us the free kick we had earned. But were it not for everyone on our side complaining loudly about it, he would have just let the other team take the kick. But maybe that's the 1% you think the players, parents, & coaches might possibly be able to get right! Look, I appreciate the difficult & usually thankless job that refs have to do, but let's not act like they do it perfectly 100% of the time. They're human, they miss calls here & there. It happens. And parents (and players & coaches) are human too- when they see a missed call, they're going to complain about it. It happens. We're all human. LOL... where did I say me nor my son or any other referee I have ever worked with haven't made a mistake? The stuff I'm complaining about is stuff they obviously don't know the nuance of the rules for or people yelling offside that are halfway down the field and have no way to truly know that, or people that think every time a kid falls its a foul or every slide tackle is a foul, people complaining about which way the throw-in should go etc.... etc.... Those are the people I'm talking about. Sure I make mistakes. If I make less than 2-3 small ones in a game I feel like it was successful. i try to never make a major one that affects the game, and 99.9% of the time I don't. When I say small mistakes 99.9% of those are who the ball went off of when it goes off the pitch. When you have 3-5 players around the touchline and the ball goes off one, sometimes neither the AR nor the Center is in position to see truly who it went off of. We have to go with what we think most likely happened. Those are the calls I may mess up from time to time, but I'm not sure what to do about those. When you have a crowd of players on a touchline and it goes off one of them but because of players blocking view you can't see who it was you have to call the best you can. Generally the players know who it went off of, and sometimes I let that determine how I call it if my AR doesn't know and I couldn't see it. As far as calling the foul the wrong way, any time I have ever pointed the wrong direction, I almost immediately catch it and change my arm direction. I do not remember a time where I have let a free kick go the wrong way. My issues with parents (even ones in 11v11 matches who have seen soccer for a while) are the following: 1) If you aren't in line you have no business shouting offside and complaining about it especially when it is close. Doing so does no good for you and 99% of the time you are wrong. I've ARed enough to realize most parents that shout offside on close ones are wrong a lot of the time as I see them stay with the defender till the pass. 2) If you are on the sideline you see your kid or any kid fall it isn't always a foul. If you see a slide tackle it isn't always a foul. Trust the fact that the center is close enough to the action to see what actually took place and called the play correctly. I hate it when some referees call fouls based on crowd reaction. A referee should never allow the crowd to affect his decision. I had one in my kid's game last weekend where the center back fully got in front of the attacking player fully standing up and stole the ball then the attacker ran into the defender and fell down and I was sitting dead on where it was taking place and they called the foul on the defender when it wasn't a foul at all, but the foul got called because the parents complained and yelled. The AR did not raise her flag and even told me she did not think it was a foul. Now it didn't help the center was an older gentleman not able to keep up with the play, but the crowd reaction did cause the call. 3) Every time a ball hits the freaking hands or arms it isn't a handball. That is my biggest freaking pet peeve of all the crowd yelling. I will call the hand balls that need to be called. Its clear many do not know the nuanced rules of what is and is not a handball. 4) In younger games there are a ton of parents that just don't know the rules in general. What constitutes a pass back to the keeper, playing on the ground isn't illegal unless it becomes dangerous play, etc.... In reality the less the actual parents and crowd complain to the referee the better. If there is a bad call then let the coaches and/or the players/captain talk with the referee about it. The peanut gallery doesn't need to chime in, and yes I include myself in that. I used to be a parent that would complain, till I started refereeing. I then realized how much BS they have to deal with and that a lot of the time it truly is BS and not a bad call. I could go on and on of things the parents have done, but I'll stop here. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 16, 2021 12:15:04 GMT -5
This one:
3) Every time a ball hits the freaking hands or arms it isn't a handball. That is my biggest freaking pet peeve of all the crowd yelling. I will call the hand balls that need to be called. Its clear many do not know the nuanced rules of what is and is not a handball.
I ref. I make mistakes. I've let a free kick go the wrong way - figured it out after and apologized (no factor on game - too late to redo).
I do believe many referees could do a better job of communicating advantage or other non-calls. In the flow of the game, I probably whistle fewer than half the infractions because they don't impact immediate play. Yes, you have to communicate that, and keep up with serial offenders. Every foul doesn't get a free kick...
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Post by Respect on Nov 16, 2021 12:47:42 GMT -5
This one: 3) Every time a ball hits the freaking hands or arms it isn't a handball. That is my biggest freaking pet peeve of all the crowd yelling. I will call the hand balls that need to be called. Its clear many do not know the nuanced rules of what is and is not a handball. I ref. I make mistakes. I've let a free kick go the wrong way - figured it out after and apologized (no factor on game - too late to redo). I do believe many referees could do a better job of communicating advantage or other non-calls. In the flow of the game, I probably whistle fewer than half the infractions because they don't impact immediate play. Yes, you have to communicate that, and keep up with serial offenders. Every foul doesn't get a free kick... It’s called game management. Not all games, teams, players, leagues, etc. called for the same game management. You do need experience, know and feel the spirit of the game, team tactics, etc besides having a great ability to do foul recognition, especially when players are of different skill level, sizes, strength. Distance and positioning is key.. Most parents who instantly complain about calls lack of this understanding (besides the other points made here). |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 16, 2021 12:49:05 GMT -5
This one: 3) Every time a ball hits the freaking hands or arms it isn't a handball. That is my biggest freaking pet peeve of all the crowd yelling. I will call the hand balls that need to be called. Its clear many do not know the nuanced rules of what is and is not a handball. I ref. I make mistakes. I've let a free kick go the wrong way - figured it out after and apologized (no factor on game - too late to redo). I do believe many referees could do a better job of communicating advantage or other non-calls. In the flow of the game, I probably whistle fewer than half the infractions because they don't impact immediate play. Yes, you have to communicate that, and keep up with serial offenders. Every foul doesn't get a free kick... Agreed. There are some referees that do need to be more vocal. I put my son in that category but it's hard as a teenager to be the loudest person out there sometimes when you have older people all around you. I am vocal on advantage calls and also on non-called balls hitting the hand. I will say No...No... In a louder voice or if it hits the armpit or shoulder I'll pat my own shoulder to indicate I saw it but deemed it not illegal. In younger ages and even sometimes in older if players fall and there is no foul I will always shout play...play... As well. The more vocal and in control the referee sounds I do find the less the parents and players question calls. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 16, 2021 12:56:03 GMT -5
This one: 3) Every time a ball hits the freaking hands or arms it isn't a handball. That is my biggest freaking pet peeve of all the crowd yelling. I will call the hand balls that need to be called. Its clear many do not know the nuanced rules of what is and is not a handball. I ref. I make mistakes. I've let a free kick go the wrong way - figured it out after and apologized (no factor on game - too late to redo). I do believe many referees could do a better job of communicating advantage or other non-calls. In the flow of the game, I probably whistle fewer than half the infractions because they don't impact immediate play. Yes, you have to communicate that, and keep up with serial offenders. Every foul doesn't get a free kick... Agreed. There are some referees that do need to be more vocal. I put my son in that category but it's hard as a teenager to be the loudest person out there sometimes when you have older people all around you. I am vocal on advantage calls and also on non-called balls hitting the hand. I will say No...No... In a louder voice or if it hits the armpit or shoulder I'll pat my own shoulder to indicate I saw it but deemed it not illegal. In younger ages and even sometimes in older if players fall and there is no foul I will always shout play...play... As well. The more vocal and in control the referee sounds I do find the less the parents and players question calls. I agree. Just don’t start arguing with ANYBODY (as the ref). No good will come from that. |
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Post by nole95 on Nov 16, 2021 14:25:58 GMT -5
This is odd but kind of a smart move, though the sportsmanship aspect is crap. Assuming this is Tenn United and the game was their Saturday night game at UFA. With the game getting to halftime it’s technically an official game so the coach saved his players 45 mins of game time. You have to take into consideration the team played GSA Saturday morning and then still had Nth on Sunday before heading back to Nashville. All this as TN just wrapped or wrapping up Girls HS soccer so these players are barely in preseason club shape / been beaten to hell and back from HS. Not sure Tenn United knew what they were getting into when they decided to add SCCL this year as this team has another three game weekend in Atlanta in December. Who wants to bet their Girls side will not be back next Fall? Yes, this was the team in question. I do understand that our team was up 3-1, but the Tennessee team was not that bad. Earlier in the day they had played the top team in the U19 SCCL Club (GSA) to a 1-1 tie, and this was Tenn United's first game this season. If their coach had come to our coach at half and just said something to the effect that they had already played a game, knew we were the better team, and that there was no reason to have the girls play another 45 minutes in very cold temps, I do not think anyone would have complained. It was more the fact that he was trying to get UFA to forfeit due to being down one AR that frustrated everyone involved. Tenn United is the only out of state team at the SCCL Club level, and it does seem odd that they agreed to that kind of schedule. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 16, 2021 17:38:20 GMT -5
Agreed. There are some referees that do need to be more vocal. I put my son in that category but it's hard as a teenager to be the loudest person out there sometimes when you have older people all around you. I am vocal on advantage calls and also on non-called balls hitting the hand. I will say No...No... In a louder voice or if it hits the armpit or shoulder I'll pat my own shoulder to indicate I saw it but deemed it not illegal. In younger ages and even sometimes in older if players fall and there is no foul I will always shout play...play... As well. The more vocal and in control the referee sounds I do find the less the parents and players question calls. I agree. Just don’t start arguing with ANYBODY (as the ref). No good will come from that. I've seen some referees that like to argue with the parents. Happened in my son's game this season. The guy had a huge ego and it was just the AR not the center. I walked to the other side of the field from him because I knew my self control and nothing good was going to come of it, so I just took myself out of the situation, and yes it did boil over to the point where the game had to stop. It was purely the AR's fault for arguing with the crowd. I made sure I was completely away though. Didn't want to be involved in any reports! LOL.... I'm ok with interacting with parents or players in a humorous way but I never engage an angry parent shouting. If it gets bad enough, I address it with the coach. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 16, 2021 17:57:05 GMT -5
I agree. Just don’t start arguing with ANYBODY (as the ref). No good will come from that. I've seen some referees that like to argue with the parents. Happened in my son's game this season. The guy had a huge ego and it was just the AR not the center. I walked to the other side of the field from him because I knew my self control and nothing good was going to come of it, so I just took myself out of the situation, and yes it did boil over to the point where the game had to stop. It was purely the AR's fault for arguing with the crowd. I made sure I was completely away though. Didn't want to be involved in any reports! LOL.... I'm ok with interacting with parents or players in a humorous way but I never engage an angry parent shouting. If it gets bad enough, I address it with the coach. Once very early I’m my referee career - I was AR2 (parents side for those who don’t know- AR1 works the bench side) and there was a YC given near midfield to a girl and her dad flipped out. I walked over and calmly said “chill out”. Then told him she was carded for a cleats-up tackle that didn’t look malicious but was actually pretty dangerous. He said “oh I didn’t see that”. I said no worries and “your daughter is a good player”. Totally calmed him down. But the center ref saw me do it and at half time he told me “hey rookie - never do that again”. I feel like at age 50 and standing 6’-5” I can do some things that others won’t but this was purely reading the audience. I’d absolutely do it again. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 16, 2021 23:21:08 GMT -5
This is odd but kind of a smart move, though the sportsmanship aspect is crap. Assuming this is Tenn United and the game was their Saturday night game at UFA. With the game getting to halftime it’s technically an official game so the coach saved his players 45 mins of game time. You have to take into consideration the team played GSA Saturday morning and then still had Nth on Sunday before heading back to Nashville. All this as TN just wrapped or wrapping up Girls HS soccer so these players are barely in preseason club shape / been beaten to hell and back from HS. Not sure Tenn United knew what they were getting into when they decided to add SCCL this year as this team has another three game weekend in Atlanta in December. Who wants to bet their Girls side will not be back next Fall? Yes, this was the team in question. I do understand that our team was up 3-1, but the Tennessee team was not that bad. Earlier in the day they had played the top team in the U19 SCCL Club (GSA) to a 1-1 tie, and this was Tenn United's first game this season. If their coach had come to our coach at half and just said something to the effect that they had already played a game, knew we were the better team, and that there was no reason to have the girls play another 45 minutes in very cold temps, I do not think anyone would have complained. It was more the fact that he was trying to get UFA to forfeit due to being down one AR that frustrated everyone involved. Tenn United is the only out of state team at the SCCL Club level, and it does seem odd that they agreed to that kind of schedule. Completely agree. The coach either didn’t want to ask for it to be over as it would get back to his boss(es) at Tenn United or really thought that not having 3 Certified Refs was grounds for a forfeit (mind you it is in some leagues). I know things changed from when Tenn United originally joined SCCL as their Boys side pulled out last minute too. Add in they have zero SCCL Home games. The handful of “Home” games they have are all scheduled up in Chattanooga at Camp Jordan too. |
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Nov 17, 2021 8:39:37 GMT -5
I've seen some referees that like to argue with the parents. Happened in my son's game this season. The guy had a huge ego and it was just the AR not the center. I walked to the other side of the field from him because I knew my self control and nothing good was going to come of it, so I just took myself out of the situation, and yes it did boil over to the point where the game had to stop. It was purely the AR's fault for arguing with the crowd. I made sure I was completely away though. Didn't want to be involved in any reports! LOL.... I'm ok with interacting with parents or players in a humorous way but I never engage an angry parent shouting. If it gets bad enough, I address it with the coach. Once very early I’m my referee career - I was AR2 (parents side for those who don’t know- AR1 works the bench side) and there was a YC given near midfield to a girl and her dad flipped out. I walked over and calmly said “chill out”. Then told him she was carded for a cleats-up tackle that didn’t look malicious but was actually pretty dangerous. He said “oh I didn’t see that”. I said no worries and “your daughter is a good player”. Totally calmed him down. But the center ref saw me do it and at half time he told me “hey rookie - never do that again”. I feel like at age 50 and standing 6’-5” I can do some things that others won’t but this was purely reading the audience. I’d absolutely do it again. The very best officials I've seen in any sport are good communicators. Doesn't need to be a lengthy discussion but just an acknowledgment they were heard and I've complimented many refs after games for taking the time to do so. The worst are those who ignore a situation- especially a physical play. I completed my online coursework last week and will take my in person training next month to put my money where my mouth is. Looking forward to it and hoping a can stay the course even throughout my last game of the day. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Nov 17, 2021 10:55:20 GMT -5
Once very early I’m my referee career - I was AR2 (parents side for those who don’t know- AR1 works the bench side) and there was a YC given near midfield to a girl and her dad flipped out. I walked over and calmly said “chill out”. Then told him she was carded for a cleats-up tackle that didn’t look malicious but was actually pretty dangerous. He said “oh I didn’t see that”. I said no worries and “your daughter is a good player”. Totally calmed him down. But the center ref saw me do it and at half time he told me “hey rookie - never do that again”. I feel like at age 50 and standing 6’-5” I can do some things that others won’t but this was purely reading the audience. I’d absolutely do it again. The very best officials I've seen in any sport are good communicators. Doesn't need to be a lengthy discussion but just an acknowledgment they were heard and I've complimented many refs after games for taking the time to do so. The worst are those who ignore a situation- especially a physical play. I completed my online coursework last week and will take my in person training next month to put my money where my mouth is. Looking forward to it and hoping a can stay the course even throughout my last game of the day. Welcome (almost) to the club! Start with some easy games (or as an AR) and work your way into it! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 17, 2021 13:20:57 GMT -5
Had some suspect refs at SC United the past couple weekends, but we sat and watched a game with a different ref and he explained a lot to the players, even during the action when they were fouled but still had possession on an attack. He was an entertaining ref.
Had some woefully under-qualified ARs there too. The ball fully crossing the sideline to be out is a pet peeve of mine, but calling a player offside when they raced from 5 yards onside to beat a defender to the ball was pretty aggravating.
SC United needs to spend some $ on reffing classes.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 17, 2021 13:37:49 GMT -5
Had some suspect refs at SC United the past couple weekends, but we sat and watched a game with a different ref and he explained a lot to the players, even during the action when they were fouled but still had possession on an attack. He was an entertaining ref. Had some woefully under-qualified ARs there too. The ball fully crossing the sideline to be out is a pet peeve of mine, but calling a player offside when they raced from 5 yards onside to beat a defender to the ball was pretty aggravating. SC United needs to spend some $ on reffing classes. I think SC United and Columbia was were the Silent Weekends started a couple years ago because the parents were like the worst of the worst. (Insert funny joke about those horrible NASA parents, haha). Every time we’re out there for tournaments, ECNL and ODP events a lot of the Refs have been young and inexperienced too. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Nov 17, 2021 14:32:48 GMT -5
Had some suspect refs at SC United the past couple weekends, but we sat and watched a game with a different ref and he explained a lot to the players, even during the action when they were fouled but still had possession on an attack. He was an entertaining ref. Had some woefully under-qualified ARs there too. The ball fully crossing the sideline to be out is a pet peeve of mine, but calling a player offside when they raced from 5 yards onside to beat a defender to the ball was pretty aggravating. SC United needs to spend some $ on reffing classes. We were at SC United the past 2 weekends and it was a mix of good and bad, nothing out of the ordinary other than this one AR, a teenage boy who seemed half asleep. Center ref had to bark at him a few times to make the calls when the ball went out and to raise his flag with some authority (he would lift it maybe halfway most of the time). Kid also disappeared at halftime and we had to wait a few extra minutes for him to start the 2nd half. Think he was just taking a really long bathroom break. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 17, 2021 21:45:47 GMT -5
Once very early I’m my referee career - I was AR2 (parents side for those who don’t know- AR1 works the bench side) and there was a YC given near midfield to a girl and her dad flipped out. I walked over and calmly said “chill out”. Then told him she was carded for a cleats-up tackle that didn’t look malicious but was actually pretty dangerous. He said “oh I didn’t see that”. I said no worries and “your daughter is a good player”. Totally calmed him down. But the center ref saw me do it and at half time he told me “hey rookie - never do that again”. I feel like at age 50 and standing 6’-5” I can do some things that others won’t but this was purely reading the audience. I’d absolutely do it again. The very best officials I've seen in any sport are good communicators. Doesn't need to be a lengthy discussion but just an acknowledgment they were heard and I've complimented many refs after games for taking the time to do so. The worst are those who ignore a situation- especially a physical play. I completed my online coursework last week and will take my in person training next month to put my money where my mouth is. Looking forward to it and hoping a can stay the course even throughout my last game of the day. Awesome. We need a LOT more. Good luck. It is not easy to go from player/coach/fan to referee. Totally different lens. Tip: point toward the team that touched it last or committed the foul. This seems really basic but it’s easy to get turned around especially with teams that play the ball backwards and laterally a lot. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 22, 2021 14:31:29 GMT -5
Situation must be bad. Seems like I get referee emails from Georgia Soccer daily.
IMO they need to...
1 - Offer FREE referee courses. They can pay for it from the ODP money they got from accepting anyone who inquired and they let into the pool last year.
2 - Mandate that clubs pay more for referees. Its simply NOT WORTH THE HASSLE. They can pass the cost on to us the customers.
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Post by rifle on Nov 22, 2021 14:39:28 GMT -5
Situation must be bad. Seems like I get referee emails from Georgia Soccer daily. IMO they need to... 1 - Offer FREE referee courses. They can pay for it from the ODP money they got from accepting anyone who inquired and they let into the pool last year. 2 - Mandate that clubs pay more for referees. Its simply NOT WORTH THE HASSLE. They can pass the cost on to us the customers. They definitely should incentivize somehow. Honestly the money is pretty good. Outstanding for kids. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 22, 2021 15:59:46 GMT -5
Situation must be bad. Seems like I get referee emails from Georgia Soccer daily. IMO they need to... 1 - Offer FREE referee courses. They can pay for it from the ODP money they got from accepting anyone who inquired and they let into the pool last year. 2 - Mandate that clubs pay more for referees. Its simply NOT WORTH THE HASSLE. They can pass the cost on to us the customers. They definitely should incentivize somehow. Honestly the money is pretty good. Outstanding for kids. I agree, the money isn't really bad except for younger aged games and/or recreation younger aged games. Even then for a teenager even those games aren't bad money given you can pretty much pick your own schedule and when you want to work. As an adult, it isn't what I could make working my normal job or working OT for time and a half but it isn't that far off either providing I am refereeing SCCL or higher level games. It is good extra money for stuff I want to spend it on that I wouldn't normally spend my normal budget money on, and most of the time I actually enjoy the games as they go along, especially when it is a good game and not lop-sided. Only thing I refuse to really do at this point unless there is a lot more money is Adult league games. It just isn't worth the money to babysit those babies. They are worse than U16-U18 teenagers. I've done it several times, but until that pay gets upped significantly they can police themselves. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 22, 2021 17:01:01 GMT -5
Only thing I refuse to really do at this point unless there is a lot more money is Adult league games. It just isn't worth the money to babysit those babies. They are worse than U16-U18 teenagers. I've done it several times, but until that pay gets upped significantly they can police themselves. I’ve worked several adult women’s games which I thought were fine.. and did my first men’s O30 match recently as an AR. They were a pain in the ass but I want to do some more before I write them off completely. They play very close to my house.. |
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