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Post by soccergurl on Nov 24, 2021 11:54:09 GMT -5
|me no like duke| |me think duke player taunting| |me think ucla goalie must drop kick| |the end|
Duke coach said after the game, "“It's part of the sport, and people are competitive. That's why you play, because if you're just straightforward and you don't have any emotion, you're not going to get very far.”
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Nov 26, 2021 23:37:19 GMT -5
A complete lack of class and sportsmanship - especially in an "amateur" league. The fact that the coach sees nothing wrong with it says a lot about him. Hopefully he hadn't seen the monkey dance on video yet.
This is also the worst (IMO) aspect of soccer. Rolling around on the ground is often rewarded with a red to the other team. Worse than the taunting is acting like a baby when you get shoved.
Boils the blood.
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Post by rifle on Nov 27, 2021 10:39:44 GMT -5
Unsporting behavior.. and general d***ery. Coach is a tool for not being critical. Classless.
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Post by bogan on Nov 27, 2021 13:50:10 GMT -5
Unsporting behavior.. and general d***ery. Coach is a tool for not being critical. Classless. More disappointed in the coach. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 27, 2021 15:50:41 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term.
This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example.
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Post by bogan on Nov 27, 2021 15:53:44 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term. This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example. Cranial Rectosis is the technical term I believe… |
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Post by rifle on Nov 27, 2021 16:03:49 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term. This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example. I agree. CR may have been writing down the goal info in his book (and thus not looking at a time that is normally pretty calm) but the referee crew was clearly asleep at the wheel. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 27, 2021 17:45:49 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term. This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example. I agree. CR may have been writing down the goal info in his book (and thus not looking at a time that is normally pretty calm) but the referee crew was clearly asleep at the wheel. Part of the pre-game is ensuring that one or two officials are always watching areas of contention, particularly after goals. For example, trail AR records the goal, lead AR and Center watch the players. Once reset, Center and lead AR record the goal. In this case, there was a 4th official as well. And at this level, they're probably on headset comms. No excuse for this. Also, too many referees don't watch the post game handshaking. How many times have you (a parent or player) seen a punch or shove then that the crew missed? Bet it's more than once. Always, always, always watch until the players are separated. Yes, I've given red cards after the game for this crap - the players think - rightly so in many cases - that no one is watching. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Nov 27, 2021 18:09:34 GMT -5
The red card was correct, the rules are clear.
I also believe the Duke player should have gotten a yellow card for unsporting behavior. Maybe the CR didn't see it but I find hard to believe that nobody from the entire officiating crew saw it to notify CR. Maybe another poster who may happen to be a certified ref can help with the rules on this and correct me.
As for the Duke coach, I get it, you don't want to throw your player under the bus in public with huge game coming up soon esp, but he should have made a different choice of words once he chose to respond. I surely hope he had a word with his player in private later, but I doubt it... I didn't see any apology follow either.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 27, 2021 18:20:03 GMT -5
The red card was correct, the rules are clear. I also believe the Duke player should have gotten a yellow card for unsporting behavior. Maybe the CR didn't see it but I find hard to believe that nobody from the entire officiating crew saw it to notify CR. Maybe another poster who may happen to be a certified ref can help with the rules on this and correct me. As for the Duke coach, I get it, you don't want to throw your player under the bus in public with huge game coming up soon esp, but he should have made a different choice of words once he chose to respond. I surely hope he had a word with his player in private later, but I doubt it... I didn't see any apology follow either. The red card was correct. Not arguing that. A proactive and properly functioning officiating crew can often prevent incidents that lead to red cards. That's my point. And I am an active official who spent time at the college level long ago. Not sure of the current NCAA rules, but there was a time that taunting was a red card (may have been at HS, I'm getting old and have worked too many levels). Duke player should have had a caution at minimum. |
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Post by datrain on Nov 27, 2021 21:55:52 GMT -5
Thor Ulfarsson sat the first 20 minutes tonight
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Post by Respect on Nov 28, 2021 0:22:00 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term. This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example. Unbelievable! You all worry about the fact the ref had to issue a red card and not the unsportsmanlike behavior of the players. It’s all the referees fault. Personal responsibility and accountability is not applicable to soccer players. We are raising psychopaths! |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 28, 2021 10:40:25 GMT -5
The red card is on the officiating crew for not proactively and quickly stopping the taunting. The defender's actions were wrong, but 100% understandable. If AR1 had stepped on the field and started yelling at the Duke dumbass, or the Center had turned around and whistled sharply, the defender would likely have not clocked him. The officiating crew had their heads up their asses. That's a technical term. This happens way too often, and red cards are earned by the officials for poor game management. This is a prime example. Unbelievable! You all worry about the fact the ref had to issue a red card and not the unsportsmanlike behavior of the players. It’s all the referees fault. Personal responsibility and accountability is not applicable to soccer players. We are raising psychopaths! I think you are missing the point. The players were 100% wrong. Different scenario. Off-duty police officer working security at a night club. Sees an obviously drunk patron stumble out and head to his car. Instead of stopping the guy from driving and getting an Uber, lets him get in the car and drive off, where the drunk wipes out a family in a head-on collision. The drunk guy is obviously wrong, but so is the police office who neglected his duty. In the Duke/UCLA case, the officiating crew was the cop watching the shizat-show unfold and did nothing to stop it. No one here is in the right. |
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Post by Respect on Nov 28, 2021 16:19:49 GMT -5
Unbelievable! You all worry about the fact the ref had to issue a red card and not the unsportsmanlike behavior of the players. It’s all the referees fault. Personal responsibility and accountability is not applicable to soccer players. We are raising psychopaths! I think you are missing the point. The players were 100% wrong. Different scenario. Off-duty police officer working security at a night club. Sees an obviously drunk patron stumble out and head to his car. Instead of stopping the guy from driving and getting an Uber, lets him get in the car and drive off, where the drunk wipes out a family in a head-on collision. The drunk guy is obviously wrong, but so is the police office who neglected his duty. In the Duke/UCLA case, the officiating crew was the cop watching the shizat-show unfold and did nothing to stop it. No one here is in the right. Well, in your example, the cop sees the drunk driver. In this case, there is no evidence that the ref crew saw or heard the taunting between the two players. If you look at the video, there is no such evidence. See the video (I couldn’t attach a picture of the incident showing all players looking away from the incident, even the CR is not in the half of the field where the incident happened and the AR is not in the camera view). I’m not excusing that the ref crew missed the action leading to the foul - they indeed missed it given that no card was given to the player from Duke. If the cops were in a different street corner or pulling over someone else, you could not blame him/her for failing to stop the DUI. My point is that the message in the post seems to emphasize more the ref missing the taunting action prior to the call than the behavior of the players, to the point of stating that the refs are the ones who deserved the red card. If the players’ behavior is “understandable” then the ref crew missing the taunting call is “understandable” and we should not even have these posts, after all, it is “understandable.” Bottom line, I do see ref crews missing incidents in the field often but this is not an excuse for soccer supporters to condone players’ taunting or violent conduct (even if “understandable”) and throw blame for their actions in an elsewhere direction. Luckily it is not everyone because I have seen posts in this forum from youth soccer parents who have stated that if they saw such behavior from their kids, they will be the first ones to pull their kids from the game. BTW, refs know to tell the players to bring any issues with other players to the ref crew (and to not retaliate) and good, smart players know to use this tool during the game. As a side note, the ref crew failed to warn the Duke players that came into the field after the goal was scored. This is a bit worrisome from a ref crew performance point of view. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Nov 28, 2021 17:13:48 GMT -5
I think you are missing the point. The players were 100% wrong. Different scenario. Off-duty police officer working security at a night club. Sees an obviously drunk patron stumble out and head to his car. Instead of stopping the guy from driving and getting an Uber, lets him get in the car and drive off, where the drunk wipes out a family in a head-on collision. The drunk guy is obviously wrong, but so is the police office who neglected his duty. In the Duke/UCLA case, the officiating crew was the cop watching the shizat-show unfold and did nothing to stop it. No one here is in the right. Well, in your example, the cop sees the drunk driver. In this case, there is no evidence that the ref crew saw or heard the taunting between the two players. If you look at the video, there is no such evidence. See the video (I couldn’t attach a picture of the incident showing all players looking away from the incident, even the CR is not in the half of the field where the incident happened and the AR is not in the camera view). I’m not excusing that the ref crew missed the action leading to the foul - they indeed missed it given that no card was given to the player from Duke. If the cops were in a different street corner or pulling over someone else, you could not blame him/her for failing to stop the DUI. My point is that the message in the post seems to emphasize more the ref missing the taunting action prior to the call than the behavior of the players, to the point of stating that the refs are the ones who deserved the red card. If the players’ behavior is “understandable” then the ref crew missing the taunting call is “understandable” and we should not even have these posts, after all, it is “understandable.” Bottom line, I do see ref crews missing incidents in the field often but this is not an excuse for soccer supporters to condone players’ taunting or violent conduct (even if “understandable”) and throw blame for their actions in an elsewhere direction. Luckily it is not everyone because I have seen posts in this forum from youth soccer parents who have stated that if they saw such behavior from their kids, they will be the first ones to pull their kids from the game. BTW, refs know to tell the players to bring any issues with other players to the ref crew (and to not retaliate) and good, smart players know to use this tool during the game. As a side note, the ref crew failed to warn the Duke players that came into the field after the goal was scored. This is a bit worrisome from a ref crew performance point of view. With all due respect, it's a bad look when an entire crew of four certified and experienced officials at this level miss a taunting show lasting over 12 seconds (!). The point however is this: - The Duke player should have known better, and never done what he did to begin with.
- There should be an apology at some point.
- I do not know what HS or club he came from. But at least in college, these athletes should learn a thing or two about sportsmanship, especially when representing institutions such as Duke in the most important college event watched by kids who might see some of them as role models.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 28, 2021 21:44:42 GMT -5
I think you are missing the point. The players were 100% wrong. Different scenario. Off-duty police officer working security at a night club. Sees an obviously drunk patron stumble out and head to his car. Instead of stopping the guy from driving and getting an Uber, lets him get in the car and drive off, where the drunk wipes out a family in a head-on collision. The drunk guy is obviously wrong, but so is the police office who neglected his duty. In the Duke/UCLA case, the officiating crew was the cop watching the shizat-show unfold and did nothing to stop it. No one here is in the right. Well, in your example, the cop sees the drunk driver. In this case, there is no evidence that the ref crew saw or heard the taunting between the two players. If you look at the video, there is no such evidence. See the video (I couldn’t attach a picture of the incident showing all players looking away from the incident, even the CR is not in the half of the field where the incident happened and the AR is not in the camera view). I’m not excusing that the ref crew missed the action leading to the foul - they indeed missed it given that no card was given to the player from Duke. If the cops were in a different street corner or pulling over someone else, you could not blame him/her for failing to stop the DUI. My point is that the message in the post seems to emphasize more the ref missing the taunting action prior to the call than the behavior of the players, to the point of stating that the refs are the ones who deserved the red card. If the players’ behavior is “understandable” then the ref crew missing the taunting call is “understandable” and we should not even have these posts, after all, it is “understandable.” Bottom line, I do see ref crews missing incidents in the field often but this is not an excuse for soccer supporters to condone players’ taunting or violent conduct (even if “understandable”) and throw blame for their actions in an elsewhere direction. Luckily it is not everyone because I have seen posts in this forum from youth soccer parents who have stated that if they saw such behavior from their kids, they will be the first ones to pull their kids from the game. BTW, refs know to tell the players to bring any issues with other players to the ref crew (and to not retaliate) and good, smart players know to use this tool during the game. As a side note, the ref crew failed to warn the Duke players that came into the field after the goal was scored. This is a bit worrisome from a ref crew performance point of view. I agree with most of your post. Exception is that the crew's job is to maintain control of the field - and they lost it. If they were being assessed, they should have failed. The ref doesn't 'deserve' the red card. What I was trying to say was that sometimes referees 'earn' the cards they give by poor management. An example is failing to call persistent fouls which leads to retaliation which is then carded. The ref 'earned' the card by not controlling the game... Another common instance is giving two yellows back to back for dissent, particularly to a teen player. Give the card, move away, the player is always going to vent a bit more. As long as the venting is diminishing, it's the same incident. Anyone who has raised teens knows they shut up as soon as you tell them to, right? |
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 28, 2021 21:48:40 GMT -5
Last post - this comment:
If the players’ behavior is “understandable” then the ref crew missing the taunting call is “understandable” and we should not even have these posts, after all, it is “understandable.”
Understandable doesn't mean it was right. If you keep poking a dog and it finally bites you - that's an expected reaction, although not a good one. If you taunt a goalkeeper after a deciding goal in an emotional game, and the officials don't step in, expect a reaction from a nearby enforcer / defender. Again - all the players were wrong, none of their actions were appropriate.
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Post by brookhaven07 on Nov 29, 2021 8:33:15 GMT -5
The Duke player who taunted is from Iceland. His name is
THORLEIFUR ULFARSSON. He evidently played for an Icelandic 2nd division team. He is 21 and a sophomore. His coach did not let him start the next game (due to his taunting) in which Duke lost to St. Louis University. Unclear from reports how long he held him out.
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Post by datrain on Nov 29, 2021 16:11:58 GMT -5
20 minutes
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Post by kidsocceruber on Dec 6, 2021 9:11:08 GMT -5
For your amusement
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Post by flix on Dec 6, 2021 9:36:56 GMT -5
Thank you for posting. This was freaking hilarious. His breakdown of the goal celebration was too funny. I would have to say after seeing the entire sequence of events with the keeper wasting time, I can see why dude was mocking the keeper, not that I would recommend it but I laughed. |
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Post by rifle on Dec 6, 2021 21:08:29 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing - that was very entertaining. |
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