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Post by profootballer on Dec 6, 2021 22:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2021 6:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Dec 7, 2021 7:48:59 GMT -5
So MLS is officially trying to wipe out USL?
Glad to see Rochester involved regardless. They had terrific support for years.
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2021 8:13:04 GMT -5
So MLS is officially trying to wipe out USL? Glad to see Rochester involved regardless. They had terrific support for years. Sad the leagues can’t work together |
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Post by newguy on Dec 7, 2021 8:38:01 GMT -5
So MLS is officially trying to wipe out USL? Glad to see Rochester involved regardless. They had terrific support for years. Sad the leagues can’t work together Different motives. USL is an established pro league. This new MlLS league is an even lower developmental league. AU2 and other academy teams were never going to try and win a USL championship at the expense of what was ultimately best for the big club. This is best for both league’s competitive integrity. |
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2021 8:42:55 GMT -5
Sad the leagues can’t work together Different motives. USL is an established pro league. This new MlLS league is an even lower developmental league. AU2 and other academy teams were never going to try and win a USL championship at the expense of what was ultimately best for the big club. This is best for both league’s competitive integrity. I see where you are coming from but I have to disagree-if there was a true hierarchy or pyramid these differences could be sorted out (look at the British and German systems for instance). I would like to see a system that wasn’t bifurcated. However, given the current system you are probably correct that it’s best if they go their own way. |
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Post by mightydawg on Dec 7, 2021 8:53:36 GMT -5
Different motives. USL is an established pro league. This new MlLS league is an even lower developmental league. AU2 and other academy teams were never going to try and win a USL championship at the expense of what was ultimately best for the big club. This is best for both league’s competitive integrity. I see where you are coming from but I have to disagree-if there was a true hierarchy or pyramid these differences could be sorted out (look at the British and German systems for instance). I would like to see a system that wasn’t bifurcated. However, given the current system you are probably correct that it’s best if they go there own way. The hope would be that overtime USL will build itself up to where MLS has to include it. Think ABA-NBA merger or NFL-AFL merger. Being completely separate probably gives an eventual merger and formation of a pyramid the best chance of happening. |
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Post by bogan on Dec 7, 2021 8:57:56 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from but I have to disagree-if there was a true hierarchy or pyramid these differences could be sorted out (look at the British and German systems for instance). I would like to see a system that wasn’t bifurcated. However, given the current system you are probably correct that it’s best if they go there own way. The hope would be that overtime USL will build itself up to where MLS has to include it. Think ABA-NBA merger or NFL-AFL merger. Being completely separate probably gives an eventual merger and formation of a pyramid the best chance of happening. That makes sense-but I doubt this is going to happen b/c MLS has the financial backing and USL in many respects is more grass roots. Although I will say USL has gained traction in recent years especially in smaller markets. Edit-what I fear is the USL eventually suing MLS and “winning” like the USFL did-getting $1 and becoming a footnote. |
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Post by mightydawg on Dec 7, 2021 9:59:03 GMT -5
The hope would be that overtime USL will build itself up to where MLS has to include it. Think ABA-NBA merger or NFL-AFL merger. Being completely separate probably gives an eventual merger and formation of a pyramid the best chance of happening. That makes sense-but I doubt this is going to happen b/c MLS has the financial backing and USL in many respects is more grass roots. Although I will say USL has gained traction in recent years especially in smaller markets. Edit-what I fear is the USL eventually suing MLS and “winning” like the USFL did-getting $1 and becoming a footnote. I doubt that it happens as well, but that is the hope. The way that it would have the best chance of happening is if USL can knock off MLS teams during the U.S. Open and gain champions league spots. Tall task for USL given the difference in resources. |
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Post by footyfan on Dec 7, 2021 11:04:21 GMT -5
Sad the leagues can’t work together Different motives. USL is an established pro league. This new MlLS league is an even lower developmental league. AU2 and other academy teams were never going to try and win a USL championship at the expense of what was ultimately best for the big club. This is best for both league’s competitive integrity. MLSC3PO is USSF D3. That is same level as USL1, where some MLS2 teams were already and most would have headed with USL internal pro-rel. There was no gap in the closed systems that needed filling with the league, they just didn't want to lose players from their system. D3 requirements will be tough for alot of MLS Next clubs to meet though. I think that's why USL1 only has ~10 teams and USL2 has ~100 |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Dec 7, 2021 13:55:25 GMT -5
Very interested in hearing how the rule structure will be. More and more kids taking the College Pro path, will they be able to come and join "play" during the off season if they are in College?
Will they have restrictions similar to USL where you can only have 5 academy players (i think 5 games max)?
My understanding is that players (MLS) when coming off injury or playing bad will be able to play in the league. Not sure how the cap works as well.
Is this the rumored U23 league but its sound like no age limit??
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Post by footyfan on Dec 7, 2021 14:14:46 GMT -5
Very interested in hearing how the rule structure will be. More and more kids taking the College Pro path, will they be able to come and join "play" during the off season if they are in College? Will they have restrictions similar to USL where you can only have 5 academy players (i think 5 games max)? My understanding is that players (MLS) when coming off injury or playing bad will be able to play in the league. Not sure how the cap works as well. Is this the rumored U23 league but its sound like no age limit?? Jamie vardy says no age limit, but he's a dim bulb on the tree so who knows. Also, I've heard no college kids, but perhaps there is a special academy contract like USL has. |
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Post by rifle on Dec 7, 2021 19:14:21 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from but I have to disagree-if there was a true hierarchy or pyramid these differences could be sorted out (look at the British and German systems for instance). I would like to see a system that wasn’t bifurcated. However, given the current system you are probably correct that it’s best if they go there own way. The hope would be that overtime USL will build itself up to where MLS has to include it. Think ABA-NBA merger or NFL-AFL merger. Being completely separate probably gives an eventual merger and formation of a pyramid the best chance of happening. MLS worked hard to manipulate their positions within USSF in order here to make sure that won’t happen. |
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Post by jesuslovesjustice on Dec 10, 2021 7:53:50 GMT -5
Next Season some USL teams(mainly the ones in League One) will depart to the MLSNEXT Pro League. Who do you think will get TV revenue, USL or MLS NEXT Pro? USL will still be around but will not compare to the MLSNEXT PRO. Hopefully, MLS supports overall player development by supporting the USL in some way.
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Post by footyfan on Dec 10, 2021 14:45:05 GMT -5
Next Season some USL teams(mainly the ones in League One) will depart to the MLSNEXT Pro League. Who do you think will get TV revenue, USL or MLS NEXT Pro? USL will still be around but will not compare to the MLSNEXT PRO. Hopefully, MLS supports overall player development by supporting the USL in some way. Those MLS2 teams averaged about 500 people per game and *no one* watched them on TV, except the fans of their opponents. No one will pay for rights to MLSC3PU. And no teams will join that league bc it won't prepare their players for MLS, let alone Europe. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 20, 2022 20:53:55 GMT -5
The Athletics' Jeff Rueter broke down the MLS Next Pro's brand new rules and regulations. theathletic.com/3071305/2022/01/14/mls-next-pro-to-have-no-salary-cap-other-key-differences-from-mls-structure-sources-say/Some of the interesting items: Players will experience a league far more similar to that of other international leagues where players sign with their club rather than with the league and can thus be transferred for cash fees within the league or outside of it. Gone are the salary caps, designated player slots, and other means of creating parity. The only limitations in place are the 7 international player slots per team that can be traded within the league. Teams won’t have requirements on how many players are on MLS Next Pro contracts; however, multiple sources expect teams to carry at least 12 contracted players. Teams will operate with a 24-man roster limit, but that number could rise up to 35 with an additional 11 amateur academy players. Teams will be required to have at least half of their players on the field (six or more) be professional players on contracts, leaving a maximum of five amateurs at any given time. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 21, 2022 9:55:23 GMT -5
seems unless their is major flexibility in substitutions, this could be very difficult to manage and adds an unnecessary complication to making subs.
Teams will be required to have at least half of their players on the field (six or more) be professional players on contracts, leaving a maximum of five amateurs at any given time.
so if lets say you are out of professional players in your 18 because of game day injuries etc, would you have to play a man down instead of adding an additional amateur to the field?
I've seen benches get thin on gameday.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 21, 2022 14:04:27 GMT -5
IMO I don't think it will be an issue. I think the limitations are already in place and being implemented at the USL level and I don't recall there being substitutions snafus' Most teams will primarily have paid professional players make the bulk of their roster and the occasional Academy star player gets minutes or a game or two to see how he fares under pressure. Could there be a club willing to give up to 5 of their current Academy players a chance on the field at the same time, now that would be special...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 21, 2022 15:26:12 GMT -5
IMO I don't think it will be an issue. I think the limitations are already in place and being implemented at the USL level and I don't recall there being substitutions snafus' Most teams will primarily have paid professional players make the bulk of their roster and the occasional Academy star player gets minutes or a game or two to see how he fares under pressure. Could there be a club willing to give up to 5 of their current Academy players a chance on the field at the same time, now that would be special... that's good news! |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2022 19:33:10 GMT -5
a few more new nuggets on MLS Next clubs:www.mlsnextpro.com/clubs/roster guidelines:www.mlsnextpro.com/about/roster-guidelinesthe roster composition is interesting 2022 MLS NEXT PRO ROSTER COMPOSITIONAn MLS NEXT Pro club's active roster is comprised of up to 35 players, all of whom are eligible for selection to each official match during the MLS NEXT Pro Season. 24 roster slots (1-24) may be filled with professional players. These roster slots include International and Domestic players, and players on loan. 11 roster slots (25-35) may be filled with amateur players. There shall be a maximum of five (5) MLS NEXT youth academy players per team on the field during an official match. A player is eligible to participate as an amateur (academy) player, provided that: a. he is under the age of 21 before the official start of the season, b. he has not competed in any college or university soccer programs, c. he has never been signed or recognized as a professional player as defined by the NCAA or FIFA, and d. he currently plays, or previously played, for the Club's MLS NEXT academy, or for a team which has a documented affiliation with the Club. ROSTER FLEXIBILITY
There is no salary cap in MLS NEXT Pro and there are no salary limits on player compensation (i.e., there is not a minimum salary or maximum salary). Additionally, there are no age limits for players, and clubs will be able to sign players directly to an MLS NEXT Pro agreement, as described above.
and lastly:MLS Next Pro: No draws, just penalty shootouts in inaugural season "Regulation wins will count as three points in the standings and if the game ends in a tie, both teams will received at least one point. The winner of the traditional penalty format -- alternating shooters for five rounds; single elimination if the teams are tied through five -- will get an additional point." www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4622788/mls-next-pro-no-drawsjust-penalty-shootouts-in-inaugural-season |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 23, 2022 21:47:17 GMT -5
What the heck is this?? So this is the new U19 league? lol
I just wonder how big this pool is going to be.
A player is eligible to participate as an amateur (academy) player, provided that:
a. he is under the age of 21 before the official start of the season,
b. he has not competed in any college or university soccer programs,
c. he has never been signed or recognized as a professional player as defined by the NCAA or FIFA, and
d. he currently plays, or previously played, for the Club's MLS NEXT academy, or for a team which has a documented affiliation with the Club.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 25, 2022 9:15:09 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't replace the MLS-Next U19s, because I think it gives the non-MLS clubs and players a chance to play high enough level soccer until they get on to their college campus. While there is no pro/rel, I do like that this league will be treated financially like a regular football league with trades and no salary cap limitations like we have in the parity focused MLS...
Discussion with the MLS Next Pro President
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Post by footyfan on Mar 25, 2022 10:16:46 GMT -5
What the heck is this?? So this is the new U19 league? lol I just wonder how big this pool is going to be. A player is eligible to participate as an amateur (academy) player, provided that: a. he is under the age of 21 before the official start of the season, b. he has not competed in any college or university soccer programs, c. he has never been signed or recognized as a professional player as defined by the NCAA or FIFA, and d. he currently plays, or previously played, for the Club's MLS NEXT academy, or for a team which has a documented affiliation with the Club. It narrows the player pool for sure and tries to act like a forcing mechanism to get youth/amateur clubs to align with MLS and against the burgeoning lower division soccer landscape. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 25, 2022 10:45:53 GMT -5
What the heck is this?? So this is the new U19 league? lol I just wonder how big this pool is going to be. A player is eligible to participate as an amateur (academy) player, provided that: a. he is under the age of 21 before the official start of the season, b. he has not competed in any college or university soccer programs, c. he has never been signed or recognized as a professional player as defined by the NCAA or FIFA, and d. he currently plays, or previously played, for the Club's MLS NEXT academy, or for a team which has a documented affiliation with the Club. It narrows the player pool for sure and tries to act like a forcing mechanism to get youth/amateur clubs to align with MLS and against the burgeoning lower division soccer landscape. It competes directly with the USL/USL academy-so yes, trying to squash competition. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 25, 2022 13:02:37 GMT -5
Charles Altchek is Harvard man, with an MBA from Columbia -- so he is no dummy. He's the current president of MLS next Pro from the interview above.
he spent the last 8 years with MLS, and most recently as the senior vice president of league growth & operations.
I'd argue he has failed miserably had league growth, because the only growth the league has had is through expansion and TV numbers are horrendous.
However, I'm all for MLS teams getting their 2nd teams out of USL. Most USL teams are trying to win and have different goals and motivations than these 2nd teams do.
I do think from a financial perspective u19 teams will become a huge part of these MLS next teams -- it's free labor.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 11, 2023 13:14:06 GMT -5
Looks like even with the backing of a big name like Jamie Vardy, Rochester FC was unable to keep the lights on...
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