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Post by bogan on Dec 18, 2021 10:05:11 GMT -5
Never thought I’d be sitting here near the end of 2021 watching Tunisia play Algeria b/c the EPL was mostly canceled due to COViD…I figured we’d be in the clear by now. I wonder how spring sports will be affected (hopefully they won’t be).
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Post by soccerfan30 on Dec 18, 2021 10:54:25 GMT -5
COVID related hospitalization rates are up 60% in GA, with the holidays here and large gatherings I would suspect that number to rise significantly over the next few months.
If NFL teams are postponing games due to lack of players, those same players who probably take more extreme safeguards than the average citizen, I would suspect it's going to get worse.
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Post by Keeper on Dec 18, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
Well it’s a good thing Covid doesn’t exist in the South.
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Post by footyfan on Dec 18, 2021 19:08:54 GMT -5
Well it’s a good thing Covid doesn’t exist in the South. Hello darkness, my old friend... |
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Post by rifle on Dec 18, 2021 20:27:25 GMT -5
Pandemic gonna win
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Post by bolo on Dec 20, 2021 11:19:27 GMT -5
COVID related hospitalization rates are up 60% in GA, with the holidays here and large gatherings I would suspect that number to rise significantly over the next few months. If NFL teams are postponing games due to lack of players, those same players who probably take more extreme safeguards than the average citizen, I would suspect it's going to get worse. Let's please keep these stats and numbers in perspective. I'm not sure the timeframe you're citing for Covid-related hospitalization rates being "up 60%", or where from specifically, but as of Friday in Georgia (the most recent date data is available for), there were 1,152 patients hospitalized in Georgia with Covid. Not FOR or BECAUSE OF Covid, but WITH Covid. That's an important distinction, because everyone who is admitted to the hospital is tested for Covid, even if they are there for a completely unrelated reason and are asymptomatic. Doesn't matter, they're still counted as a "Covid admission" if they're Covid-positive. But as far as that number goes: - 1,152 Covid-related patients make up 7.3% of all hospitalized patients in Georgia. That's not a high percentage at all. You're over 9 times more likely to be hospitalized without Covid than with it. - On Dec. 17, 2020, there were roughly 3,300 Covid-related hospitalizations out of around 16,750 total hospitalized patients, or 19.7%. That's more than 2.5 times the hospitalized Covid percentage right now. - When school started this past August, case counts and hospitalizations were roughly 3-4 times higher than they are right now, and were still rising. And yet, we kept schools & sports leagues open for business pretty much as usual, other than some school districts still requiring masks. - It's interesting to me that we have such an absolute focus on the number of cases and hospitalizations, and very little comparative focus on Covid-related deaths these days. I'm not 100% sure why that is, other than Covid-related deaths are so far down comparatively that they can't be used to alarm or scare people anymore. And yet, many still equate Covid with a death sentence. To put some numbers behind that, using Date of Death rather than Date of Report of Death (since Covid-related deaths are typically reported weeks or even months after they actually happen), using the most updated data from the state, Georgia's 7-day average for Covid-related deaths is 7.6 deaths per day (and again, that is deaths both OF or WITH Covid- important but often ignored distinction). That is almost the lowest figure since the start of the pandemic, other than a period from mid-June through late July 2021 when it was below 7. For comparison, the average for the same period in 2020 was 37 deaths per day. At the peak of the Delta surge in early September- even with wide vaccine availability for months- we were seeing an average of 118 Covid-related deaths per day. - A few things we have learned about the Covid vaccines and boosters we have available are that they do not do as good of a job as we originally thought or hoped in preventing the spread of the virus. That is due in large part to variants & mutations, which every virus goes through, so that shouldn't be a huge surprise. However, they do an excellent job of reducing the severity of disease for those that do get infected with Covid. That is reflected in the low numbers/ratios of hospitalizations and deaths to cases compared to pre-vaccine availability. And yet, you see these professional leagues- most of which are near 100% vaccination rates for their players and coaches/staffs- still continuing to test and then quarantine asymptomatic Covid-positive players, even though the players have pretty much zero chance of a bad outcome from Covid as they are vaccinated and, on top of that, young & healthy when compared to the general population. I'm at the point now where I feel the days of testing asymptomatic, vaccinated players or even people in general- even if they have been "exposed to Covid"- should be over. Everyone is going to be exposed to Covid- at this point, it's unavoidable, just like the common cold or the seasonal flu. It's all around us, and always will be. And luckily we have developed very effective methods to treat & lessen the impact for those that do catch it, just like we have for the seasonal flu (which also kills tens of thousands of Americans per year on average). And yes, I acknowledge that Covid has killed many more people than the seasonal flu does, but at this point in the pandemic, we really should have learned that for the people that we're forcing to sit out of these games, Covid and the flu are basically the same. And honestly for many, the flu is typically worse, as you virtually never hear about asymptomatic flu cases. And yet, we never force players to sit out if they have the seasonal flu. You hear all the time about players still playing while "battling through a flu bug going around the team". It's happened this fall to numerous college & pro football teams that we've heard about, and in other sports as well. And yet, as long as it wasn't Covid, we let those players play. Even though Covid would likely be "easier" on them if they're vaccinated than the flu would be. How does that make any sense? Like many things during the pandemic, it simply doesn't- at least not to me. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now- I'm sure I've pissed off enough people by even daring to try to have a fact & data-based conversation about this flashpoint topic! FYI- All numbers & stats I cited can be found here: dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Dec 20, 2021 11:34:05 GMT -5
COVID related hospitalization rates are up 60% in GA, with the holidays here and large gatherings I would suspect that number to rise significantly over the next few months. If NFL teams are postponing games due to lack of players, those same players who probably take more extreme safeguards than the average citizen, I would suspect it's going to get worse. Let's please keep these stats and numbers in perspective. I'm not sure the timeframe you're citing for Covid-related hospitalization rates being "up 60%", or where from specifically, but as of Friday in Georgia (the most recent date data is available for), there were 1,152 patients hospitalized in Georgia with Covid. Not FOR or BECAUSE OF Covid, but WITH Covid. That's an important distinction, because everyone who is admitted to the hospital is tested for Covid, even if they are there for a completely unrelated reason and are asymptomatic. Doesn't matter, they're still counted as a "Covid admission". But as far as that number goes: - 1,152 Covid-related patients make up 7.3% of all hospitalized patients in Georgia. That's not a high percentage at all. You're over 9 times more likely to be hospitalized without Covid than with it. - On Dec. 17, 2020, there were roughly 3,300 Covid-related hospitalizations out of around 16,750 total hospitalized patients, or 19.7%. That's more than 2.5 times the hospitalized Covid percentage right now. - When school started this past August, case counts and hospitalizations were roughly 3-4 times higher than they are right now, and were still rising. And yet, we kept schools & sports leagues open for business pretty much as usual, other than some school districts still requiring masks. - It's interesting to me that we have such an absolute focus on the number of cases and hospitalizations, and very little comparative focus on Covid-related deaths these days. I'm not 100% sure why that is, other than Covid-related deaths are so far down comparatively that they can't be used to alarm or scare people anymore. And yet, many still equate Covid with a death sentence. To put some numbers behind that, using Date of Death rather than Date of Report of Death (since Covid-related deaths are typically reported weeks or even months after they actually happen), using the most updated data from the state, Georgia's 7-day average for Covid-related deaths is 7.6 deaths per day (and again, that is deaths both OF or WITH Covid- important but often ignored distinction). That is almost the lowest figure since the start of the pandemic, other than a period from mid-June through late July 2021 when is was below 7. For comparison, the average for the same period in 2020 was 37 deaths per day. At the peak of the Delta surge in early September- even with wide vaccine availability for months- we were seeing an average of 118 Covid-related deaths per day. - A few things we have learned about the Covid vaccines and boosters we have available are that they do not do as good of a job as we originally thought or hoped in preventing the spread of the virus, due in large part to variants & mutations, which every virus goes through, so that shouldn't be a huge surprise. However, they do an excellent job of reducing the severity of disease for those that do get infected with Covid. That is reflected in the low numbers/ratios of hospitalizations and deaths to cases compared to pre-vaccine availability. And yet, you see these professional leagues- most of which are near 100% vaccination rates for their players and coaches/staffs- still continuing to test and then quarantine asymptomatic players, even though the players have pretty much zero chance of a bad outcome from Covid as they are vaccinated and, on top of that, young & healthy when compared to the general population. I'm at the point now where I feel the days of testing asymptomatic, vaccinated players or even people in general- even if they have been "exposed to Covid"- should be over. Everyone is going to be exposed to Covid- at this point, it's unavoidable, just like the common cold or the seasonal flu. It's all around us, and always will be. And luckily we have developed very effective methods to treat & lessen the impact for those that do catch it, just like we have for the seasonal flu (which also kills tens of thousands of Americans per year on average). And yes, I acknowledge that Covid has killed many more people than the seasonal flu does, but at this point in the pandemic, we really should have learned that for the people that we're forcing to sit out of these games, Covid and the flu are basically the same. And honestly for many, the flu is typically worse, as you virtually never hear about asymptomatic flu cases. And yet, we never force players to sit out if they have the seasonal flu. You hear all the time about players still playing while "battling through a flu bug going around the team". It's happened this fall to numerous college & pro football teams that we've heard about, and in other sports as well. And yet, as long as it wasn't Covid, we let those players play. Even though Covid would likely be "easier" on them if they're vaccinated than the flu would be. How does that make any sense? Like many things during the pandemic, it simply doesn't- at least not to me. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now- I'm sure I've pissed off enough people by even daring to try to have a fact & data-based conversation about this flashpoint topic! FYI- All numbers & stats I cited can be found here: dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-reportAgree 100%, well said! I will say one thing about the current rate of deaths in GA - they always trail cases by 2-3 weeks, so I'm sure they will increase in the next few weeks. But like you said, it shouldn't rise to the level of what we saw pre-vaccines. |
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Post by bolo on Dec 20, 2021 11:54:40 GMT -5
Let's please keep these stats and numbers in perspective. I'm not sure the timeframe you're citing for Covid-related hospitalization rates being "up 60%", or where from specifically, but as of Friday in Georgia (the most recent date data is available for), there were 1,152 patients hospitalized in Georgia with Covid. Not FOR or BECAUSE OF Covid, but WITH Covid. That's an important distinction, because everyone who is admitted to the hospital is tested for Covid, even if they are there for a completely unrelated reason and are asymptomatic. Doesn't matter, they're still counted as a "Covid admission". But as far as that number goes: - 1,152 Covid-related patients make up 7.3% of all hospitalized patients in Georgia. That's not a high percentage at all. You're over 9 times more likely to be hospitalized without Covid than with it. - On Dec. 17, 2020, there were roughly 3,300 Covid-related hospitalizations out of around 16,750 total hospitalized patients, or 19.7%. That's more than 2.5 times the hospitalized Covid percentage right now. - When school started this past August, case counts and hospitalizations were roughly 3-4 times higher than they are right now, and were still rising. And yet, we kept schools & sports leagues open for business pretty much as usual, other than some school districts still requiring masks. - It's interesting to me that we have such an absolute focus on the number of cases and hospitalizations, and very little comparative focus on Covid-related deaths these days. I'm not 100% sure why that is, other than Covid-related deaths are so far down comparatively that they can't be used to alarm or scare people anymore. And yet, many still equate Covid with a death sentence. To put some numbers behind that, using Date of Death rather than Date of Report of Death (since Covid-related deaths are typically reported weeks or even months after they actually happen), using the most updated data from the state, Georgia's 7-day average for Covid-related deaths is 7.6 deaths per day (and again, that is deaths both OF or WITH Covid- important but often ignored distinction). That is almost the lowest figure since the start of the pandemic, other than a period from mid-June through late July 2021 when is was below 7. For comparison, the average for the same period in 2020 was 37 deaths per day. At the peak of the Delta surge in early September- even with wide vaccine availability for months- we were seeing an average of 118 Covid-related deaths per day. - A few things we have learned about the Covid vaccines and boosters we have available are that they do not do as good of a job as we originally thought or hoped in preventing the spread of the virus, due in large part to variants & mutations, which every virus goes through, so that shouldn't be a huge surprise. However, they do an excellent job of reducing the severity of disease for those that do get infected with Covid. That is reflected in the low numbers/ratios of hospitalizations and deaths to cases compared to pre-vaccine availability. And yet, you see these professional leagues- most of which are near 100% vaccination rates for their players and coaches/staffs- still continuing to test and then quarantine asymptomatic players, even though the players have pretty much zero chance of a bad outcome from Covid as they are vaccinated and, on top of that, young & healthy when compared to the general population. I'm at the point now where I feel the days of testing asymptomatic, vaccinated players or even people in general- even if they have been "exposed to Covid"- should be over. Everyone is going to be exposed to Covid- at this point, it's unavoidable, just like the common cold or the seasonal flu. It's all around us, and always will be. And luckily we have developed very effective methods to treat & lessen the impact for those that do catch it, just like we have for the seasonal flu (which also kills tens of thousands of Americans per year on average). And yes, I acknowledge that Covid has killed many more people than the seasonal flu does, but at this point in the pandemic, we really should have learned that for the people that we're forcing to sit out of these games, Covid and the flu are basically the same. And honestly for many, the flu is typically worse, as you virtually never hear about asymptomatic flu cases. And yet, we never force players to sit out if they have the seasonal flu. You hear all the time about players still playing while "battling through a flu bug going around the team". It's happened this fall to numerous college & pro football teams that we've heard about, and in other sports as well. And yet, as long as it wasn't Covid, we let those players play. Even though Covid would likely be "easier" on them if they're vaccinated than the flu would be. How does that make any sense? Like many things during the pandemic, it simply doesn't- at least not to me. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now- I'm sure I've pissed off enough people by even daring to try to have a fact & data-based conversation about this flashpoint topic! FYI- All numbers & stats I cited can be found here: dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-reportAgree 100%, well said! I will say one thing about the current rate of deaths in GA - they always trail cases by 2-3 weeks, so I'm sure they will increase in the next few weeks. But like you said, it shouldn't rise to the level of what we saw pre-vaccines. Yeah, I'm sure the death number will rise, but I don't see it getting anywhere close to the peaks we saw previously, for a variety of reasons. One of which that some are (almost reluctantly) starting to acknowledge is that the omicron variant, which will soon be the dominant strain worldwide, is highly transmissible but also appears to be much milder in terms of severity than delta or the original strain(s). If that ends up bearing out, then cases will likely spike, but luckily hospitalizations and deaths should lag far behind the levels we saw during & after previous case spikes. But again, as far as public policy & response goes, if we continue with this absolute focus on cases, cases, cases, it might not matter that these cases aren't producing bad outcomes- we'll still see overly draconian & heavy-handed responses & policies put in place because the people in charge won't look beyond raw case numbers to see what it really means. |
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Post by mamadona on Dec 20, 2021 11:55:09 GMT -5
I'm more worried about long covid than death. It sounds awful. Young people with mild cases can get it too. I hope there will be some cure for that soon.
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Post by mamadona on Dec 20, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -5
Agree 100%, well said! I will say one thing about the current rate of deaths in GA - they always trail cases by 2-3 weeks, so I'm sure they will increase in the next few weeks. But like you said, it shouldn't rise to the level of what we saw pre-vaccines. Yeah, I'm sure the death number will rise, but I don't see it getting anywhere close to the peaks we saw previously, for a variety of reasons. One of which that some are (almost reluctantly) starting to acknowledge is that the omicron variant, which will soon be the dominant strain worldwide, is highly transmissible but also appears to be much milder in terms of severity than delta or the original strain(s). If that ends up bearing out, then cases will likely spike, but luckily hospitalizations and deaths should lag far behind the levels we saw during & after previous case spikes. But again, as far as public policy & response goes, if we continue with this absolute focus on cases, cases, cases, it might not matter that these cases aren't producing bad outcomes- we'll still see overly draconian & heavy-handed responses & policies put in place because the people in charge won't look beyond raw case numbers to see what it really means. It’s hitting London, NYC and other places badly and unfortunately it doesn’t seem milder. Especially not for kids, they get sicker from Omicron. This is from reports & statistics I’ve read on Twitter. I hope I’m wrong. |
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Post by bolo on Dec 20, 2021 14:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure the death number will rise, but I don't see it getting anywhere close to the peaks we saw previously, for a variety of reasons. One of which that some are (almost reluctantly) starting to acknowledge is that the omicron variant, which will soon be the dominant strain worldwide, is highly transmissible but also appears to be much milder in terms of severity than delta or the original strain(s). If that ends up bearing out, then cases will likely spike, but luckily hospitalizations and deaths should lag far behind the levels we saw during & after previous case spikes. But again, as far as public policy & response goes, if we continue with this absolute focus on cases, cases, cases, it might not matter that these cases aren't producing bad outcomes- we'll still see overly draconian & heavy-handed responses & policies put in place because the people in charge won't look beyond raw case numbers to see what it really means. It’s hitting London, NYC and other places badly and unfortunately it doesn’t seem milder. Especially not for kids, they get sicker from Omicron. This is from reports & statistics I’ve read on Twitter. I hope I’m wrong. Yeah, I guess it remains to be seen how it will affect different countries, states, ages/populations, etc. One thing we have (or should have) learned by now is that it always seems to come in waves, and those waves spike tend to upwards quickly, but then fall back down just as quickly. As far as New York & NYC specifically goes, I found a graph with their Covid hospitalization stats (you can sort by NYC or other regions of the state, or the state as a whole). I don't see total hospitalizations listed which would allow us to see what percentage those positive for Covid make up of the total hospitalized population. They are definitely seeing an increase in Covid-positive hospitalized patients in recent weeks, though not to what I would think would be alarming levels quite yet. But like I said, who knows exactly where it will go from here. coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summaryOn whether it will be milder or not, here is an article from NPR speculating as to whether omicron will be as mild in the US as it has been in South Africa. Basically it talked a lot about "immune protection" within a given population due either to vaccine or prior infection. It discussed high levels of prior infection in South Africa (compared to the US) as being a reason they may have so far had a milder response to omicron, but one thing I found puzzling was the article saying that "about 20% of Americans had been infected with COVID from the start of the pandemic, through August, 2021." First of all, that figure seems low from everything I have read. That would equate to roughly 67 million Americans who have had Covid out of 333 million. We are currently reporting around 52 million documented cases of Covid as a country, and we know that especially in the early days of the pandemic, before testing was widely available, millions (tens of millions?) of cases went undocumented. And plenty more are in that same boat today- not every case is actually counted. Plus, the 20% figure they cite was through the period ending in August 2021- right when the Delta spike was hitting the hardest. On August 1 we were at about 36 million documented cases. As of today that number is up to almost 52 million. So 31% of our total documented cases have come since August 1. Based on all of that I would say a lot more than 20% of the US population has had Covid. So hopefully that translates into less severe outcomes here in the US as well. www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/17/1065315661/omicron-may-be-less-severe-in-south-africa-that-may-not-be-the-case-for-the-u-s |
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Post by mamadona on Dec 20, 2021 17:17:38 GMT -5
It’s hitting London, NYC and other places badly and unfortunately it doesn’t seem milder. Especially not for kids, they get sicker from Omicron. This is from reports & statistics I’ve read on Twitter. I hope I’m wrong. Yeah, I guess it remains to be seen how it will affect different countries, states, ages/populations, etc. One thing we have (or should have) learned by now is that it always seems to come in waves, and those waves spike tend to upwards quickly, but then fall back down just as quickly. As far as New York & NYC specifically goes, I found a graph with their Covid hospitalization stats (you can sort by NYC or other regions of the state, or the state as a whole). I don't see total hospitalizations listed which would allow us to see what percentage those positive for Covid make up of the total hospitalized population. They are definitely seeing an increase in Covid-positive hospitalized patients in recent weeks, though not to what I would think would be alarming levels quite yet. But like I said, who knows exactly where it will go from here. coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summaryOn whether it will be milder or not, here is an article from NPR speculating as to whether omicron will be as mild in the US as it has been in South Africa. Basically it talked a lot about "immune protection" within a given population due either to vaccine or prior infection. It discussed high levels of prior infection in South Africa (compared to the US) as being a reason they may have so far had a milder response to omicron, but one thing I found puzzling was the article saying that "about 20% of Americans had been infected with COVID from the start of the pandemic, through August, 2021." First of all, that figure seems low from everything I have read. That would equate to roughly 67 million Americans who have had Covid out of 333 million. We are currently reporting around 52 million documented cases of Covid as a country, and we know that especially in the early days of the pandemic, before testing was widely available, millions (tens of millions?) of cases went undocumented. And plenty more are in that same boat today- not every case is actually counted. Plus, the 20% figure they cite was through the period ending in August 2021- right when the Delta spike was hitting the hardest. On August 1 we were at about 36 million documented cases. As of today that number is up to almost 52 million. So 31% of our total documented cases have come since August 1. Based on all of that I would say a lot more than 20% of the US population has had Covid. So hopefully that translates into less severe outcomes here in the US as well. www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/17/1065315661/omicron-may-be-less-severe-in-south-africa-that-may-not-be-the-case-for-the-u-sApparently prior infection doesn't protect against omicron. Neither does 2 doses of vaccine much if it was months ago. Booster does protect to around 70% but this is not for certain as far as I can understand. SA has a very young population. It hasn't been just mild there either, lots of people in hospital, including kids and around 20 young kids have died. Hospitalizations for covid for kids age 0-5 just hit a record high in England in just one week. And apparently omicron gives more severe illness in kids compared to delta. These young kids are of course unvaccinated. (In England they haven't approved it yet for 5-11 either.) I get a lot of this info from @drericding on Twitter |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Dec 20, 2021 17:35:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it remains to be seen how it will affect different countries, states, ages/populations, etc. One thing we have (or should have) learned by now is that it always seems to come in waves, and those waves spike tend to upwards quickly, but then fall back down just as quickly. As far as New York & NYC specifically goes, I found a graph with their Covid hospitalization stats (you can sort by NYC or other regions of the state, or the state as a whole). I don't see total hospitalizations listed which would allow us to see what percentage those positive for Covid make up of the total hospitalized population. They are definitely seeing an increase in Covid-positive hospitalized patients in recent weeks, though not to what I would think would be alarming levels quite yet. But like I said, who knows exactly where it will go from here. coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summaryOn whether it will be milder or not, here is an article from NPR speculating as to whether omicron will be as mild in the US as it has been in South Africa. Basically it talked a lot about "immune protection" within a given population due either to vaccine or prior infection. It discussed high levels of prior infection in South Africa (compared to the US) as being a reason they may have so far had a milder response to omicron, but one thing I found puzzling was the article saying that "about 20% of Americans had been infected with COVID from the start of the pandemic, through August, 2021." First of all, that figure seems low from everything I have read. That would equate to roughly 67 million Americans who have had Covid out of 333 million. We are currently reporting around 52 million documented cases of Covid as a country, and we know that especially in the early days of the pandemic, before testing was widely available, millions (tens of millions?) of cases went undocumented. And plenty more are in that same boat today- not every case is actually counted. Plus, the 20% figure they cite was through the period ending in August 2021- right when the Delta spike was hitting the hardest. On August 1 we were at about 36 million documented cases. As of today that number is up to almost 52 million. So 31% of our total documented cases have come since August 1. Based on all of that I would say a lot more than 20% of the US population has had Covid. So hopefully that translates into less severe outcomes here in the US as well. www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/17/1065315661/omicron-may-be-less-severe-in-south-africa-that-may-not-be-the-case-for-the-u-sApparently prior infection doesn't protect against omicron. Neither does 2 doses of vaccine much if it was months ago. Booster does protect to around 70% but this is not for certain as far as I can understand. SA has a very young population. It hasn't been just mild there either, lots of people in hospital, including kids and around 20 young kids have died. Hospitalizations for covid for kids age 0-5 just hit a record high in England in just one week. And apparently omicron gives more severe illness in kids compared to delta. These young kids are of course unvaccinated. (In England they haven't approved it yet for 5-11 either.) I get a lot of this info from @drericding on Twitter Do yourself a favor and unfollow Feigl-Ding ASAP. I cannot emphasize this enough. His whole schtick on Twitter is to twist data into making things seem a million times worse than they are. His use of all-caps and emojis make him a popular follow on Twitter but he's an alarmist. I would fact-check anything you see from him on Twitter. |
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Post by rifle on Dec 20, 2021 18:47:06 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and unfollow Feigl-Ding ASAP. I cannot emphasize this enough. His whole schtick on Twitter is to twist data into making things seem a million times worse than they are. His use of all-caps and emojis make him a popular follow on Twitter but he's an alarmist. I would fact-check anything you see from him on Twitter. I never heard of that guy. Who do you consider a reliable source? |
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Post by mamadona on Dec 20, 2021 19:28:23 GMT -5
Apparently prior infection doesn't protect against omicron. Neither does 2 doses of vaccine much if it was months ago. Booster does protect to around 70% but this is not for certain as far as I can understand. SA has a very young population. It hasn't been just mild there either, lots of people in hospital, including kids and around 20 young kids have died. Hospitalizations for covid for kids age 0-5 just hit a record high in England in just one week. And apparently omicron gives more severe illness in kids compared to delta. These young kids are of course unvaccinated. (In England they haven't approved it yet for 5-11 either.) I get a lot of this info from @drericding on Twitter Do yourself a favor and unfollow Feigl-Ding ASAP. I cannot emphasize this enough. His whole schtick on Twitter is to twist data into making things seem a million times worse than they are. His use of all-caps and emojis make him a popular follow on Twitter but he's an alarmist. I would fact-check anything you see from him on Twitter. I follow some others too saying similar things. It's not stuff he makes up, it's data mostly. He said he hasn't felt this worried since the beginning of the pandemic. At least he's saying boosters work. Some IMO too alarmist people say omicron is totally vaccine resistant. (Chris Turnbull) I don't believe that's true. But I do believe this will be pretty bad here in GA too, probably in a few weeks or so.  |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Dec 21, 2021 7:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Dec 21, 2021 8:23:44 GMT -5
Dr. Campbell is a bit long winded but always presents the facts as he gets them. No sensationalism.
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Post by mamadona on Dec 21, 2021 9:56:03 GMT -5
I think when you show the UK & USA as a whole, the hospitalizations don’t look too bad… yet. It’s rising quickly in some cities.
Not trying to be alarmist but don’t like downplaying either. We don’t know. Prepare for the worst but hope for the best?
Hopefully the outdoor soccer season won’t be affected too much.
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Post by bolo on Dec 21, 2021 11:06:42 GMT -5
I think when you show the UK & USA as a whole, the hospitalizations don’t look too bad… yet. It’s rising quickly in some cities. Not trying to be alarmist but don’t like downplaying either. We don’t know. Prepare for the worst but hope for the best? Hopefully the outdoor soccer season won’t be affected too much. Again, make sure to take hospitalization numbers with a grain of salt- EVERYONE who gets admitted to the hospital these days is going to get tested for Covid, whether what they are being admitted for has anything to do with Covid or whether they have any Covid symptoms at all. If they test positive, they will show up as a "Covid 19 patient" on the Georgia DPH Dashboard, again, whether Covid is their reason for admission or not. Right now the state is showing around 1,200 Covid positive patients in its hospitals. That's still on the very low side as far as the pandemic goes, and almost 3 times lower than the same date in 2020. Inpatient & ICU beds are at 81-82% of capacity statewide, which is pretty normal and not a cause for concern, as hospitals- much like hotels- are built to be full. Now, that doesn't account for nursing & other staffing shortages, which are a bigger issue than bed capacity right now. Like you said, things don't look too bad yet, so I'm just hoping people don't blindly focus on & panic over case counts, if those cases aren't ultimately leading to bad outcomes at the level they have in the past. |
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Post by rifle on Dec 21, 2021 12:32:38 GMT -5
Downplaying reality hasn’t proven to be an effective cure - you could argue it has perpetuated the pandemic.
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Post by bolo on Dec 21, 2021 12:59:46 GMT -5
Downplaying reality hasn’t proven to be an effective cure - you could argue it has perpetuated the pandemic. I'm assuming you're talking to me here. I would argue that I'm not "downplaying reality", I'm just not overplaying the situation like so many have done and will continue to do. I'm not some Covid denier or anti-vaxxer or anything (I'm vaxxed & will be getting my booster later this week), I'm just one that doesn't believe many of the heavy-handed interventions that have been foisted on so many of us and society in general are really necessary, or have accomplished what they supposedly were put in place to do. On mask mandates, for example- why is there no discernable difference in community spread rates among cities or school districts where masking is forced vs. masking optional? And yet, we're told if we even dare to question something like that, we are conspiracy theorists that want to kill grandma. Why is the generally superior protection provided by prior infection almost completely discounted or ignored, with vaccines being touted as the only way to slow the spread- even though it's clear at this point that vaccines have done very little to actually slow the spread of these most recent two variants, as it seems like every case or outbreak you hear about in the media comes from vaccinated people? Again, I feel there is room for reasonable conversation and debate on this critically important subject, and that it would be extremely productive and could help build bridges around what is currently a very polarized issue. Unfortunately there are too many in media, government, and elsewhere that feel completely differently. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Dec 21, 2021 14:23:32 GMT -5
Downplaying reality hasn’t proven to be an effective cure - you could argue it has perpetuated the pandemic. I'm assuming you're talking to me here. I would argue that I'm not "downplaying reality", I'm just not overplaying the situation like so many have done and will continue to do. I'm not some Covid denier or anti-vaxxer or anything (I'm vaxxed & will be getting my booster later this week), I'm just one that doesn't believe many of the heavy-handed interventions that have been foisted on so many of us and society in general are really necessary, or have accomplished what they supposedly were put in place to do. On mask mandates, for example- why is there no discernable difference in community spread rates among cities or school districts where masking is forced vs. masking optional? And yet, we're told if we even dare to question something like that, we are conspiracy theorists that want to kill grandma. Why is the generally superior protection provided by prior infection almost completely discounted or ignored, with vaccines being touted as the only way to slow the spread- even though it's clear at this point that vaccines have done very little to actually slow the spread of these most recent two variants, as it seems like every case or outbreak you hear about in the media comes from vaccinated people? Again, I feel there is room for reasonable conversation and debate on this critically important subject, and that it would be extremely productive and could help build bridges around what is currently a very polarized issue. Unfortunately there are too many in media, government, and elsewhere that feel completely differently. Spot-on. I feel the exact same way. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Dec 22, 2021 10:09:26 GMT -5
Downplaying reality hasn’t proven to be an effective cure - you could argue it has perpetuated the pandemic. I'm assuming you're talking to me here. I would argue that I'm not "downplaying reality", I'm just not overplaying the situation like so many have done and will continue to do. I'm not some Covid denier or anti-vaxxer or anything (I'm vaxxed & will be getting my booster later this week), I'm just one that doesn't believe many of the heavy-handed interventions that have been foisted on so many of us and society in general are really necessary, or have accomplished what they supposedly were put in place to do. On mask mandates, for example- why is there no discernable difference in community spread rates among cities or school districts where masking is forced vs. masking optional? And yet, we're told if we even dare to question something like that, we are conspiracy theorists that want to kill grandma. Why is the generally superior protection provided by prior infection almost completely discounted or ignored, with vaccines being touted as the only way to slow the spread- even though it's clear at this point that vaccines have done very little to actually slow the spread of these most recent two variants, as it seems like every case or outbreak you hear about in the media comes from vaccinated people? Again, I feel there is room for reasonable conversation and debate on this critically important subject, and that it would be extremely productive and could help build bridges around what is currently a very polarized issue. Unfortunately there are too many in media, government, and elsewhere that feel completely differently. To broadly answer your question.. the reason that measures here haven't worked well is because we never had anywhere NEAR 100% acceptance. Way too many people ignored it and were not careful.. too many refused masks, gatherings, etc.. too many have refused vaccinations.
Lets look at a country for comparison that took it seriously and got everyone on board. South Korea. They have roughly 1/6 of the population of the US. If masks, distancing, lockdowns, etc didn't work - you'd expect that they'd have roughly 1/6 of our cases. Also - their population density is MUCH worse than ours - more comparable to our cities than rural America. Except - they don't have 1/6 of our cases and deaths.. they have had barely over a half million total cases and under 5000 deaths. We are over 800k deaths and 50M cases.
If people had cooperated from day one, we'd be in a much better place. Instead it got politicized and people dug their heels in and.. well, here we are.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Dec 22, 2021 13:36:45 GMT -5
You cant compare South Korea with USA. The obesity rate is way way higher in the US. 800k deaths in the US over 2 years. Out of how many confirmed cases? How many was covid the only reason? So 1.5% that get it die or 0.0024% of total US population. The fact is.. You can get covid with or without being vaxed. You can die with or without being vaxed. My understanding that vac·ci·na·tion means- treatment with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease. This vaccine (1,2,3,4 etc..) DOES not do that. Why no study on natural immunity? UAE has some of the strictest and most vaxed. Why so many new cases. Seems like we get a spike after every new booster...?? www.timesofisrael.com/uae-reports-major-virus-surge-despite-boasting-99-vaccination-rate/2300 children are missing PER DAY in the US. over 800k a year. THAT IS THE PANDEMIC. Why no coverage? Where are they? |
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Post by rifle on Dec 22, 2021 20:28:04 GMT -5
There sure are a lot of people saying “*uck those fat people” now a days. Pretty ironic considering all the pearl clutching over non existent death panels “deciding to let grandma die” a few years ago.. We sure have become a selfish country.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Dec 22, 2021 21:29:12 GMT -5
There sure are a lot of people saying “*uck those fat people” now a days. Pretty ironic considering all the pearl clutching over non existent death panels “deciding to let grandma die” a few years ago.. We sure have become a selfish country. 100% true - most people don't care unless it directly impacts them. I see on FB or Twitter from the anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists with the same refrain "but COVID only kills 1% of those infected" My reply is typically "if 1% isn't a big deal please tag 1 or 2 of your family members who you will be ok with losing", not surprisingly no one ever takes me up on that offer. Again those people don't care about that 1% until it hits close to home. Look at the hundreds of reports of children that are now orphans because both their parents literally died on that anti vax hill. Saw a post from Gov Kemp on FB today about his suit against the mask/vaccine mandate, the responses to his post clearly show why GA is typically near the worst nationally in terms of academic benchmarks. Some examples 1. Kids shouldn't wear masks in school because the lack of oxygen will diminish their brain development 2. Kids will develop speech impediments because they can't see the teachers mouth and won't learn to properly speak. We're never getting out of this mess because low information people are the most dangerous segment of society. |
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Post by soccerspin on Dec 28, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -5
Do yourself a favor and unfollow Feigl-Ding ASAP. I cannot emphasize this enough. His whole schtick on Twitter is to twist data into making things seem a million times worse than they are. His use of all-caps and emojis make him a popular follow on Twitter but he's an alarmist. I would fact-check anything you see from him on Twitter. I never heard of that guy. Who do you consider a reliable source? Scott Gottlieb MD (and former FDA Commissioner) has been pretty good…. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Dec 28, 2021 11:44:02 GMT -5
There sure are a lot of people saying “*uck those fat people” now a days. Pretty ironic considering all the pearl clutching over non existent death panels “deciding to let grandma die” a few years ago.. We sure have become a selfish country. 100% true - most people don't care unless it directly impacts them. I see on FB or Twitter from the anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists with the same refrain "but COVID only kills 1% of those infected" My reply is typically "if 1% isn't a big deal please tag 1 or 2 of your family members who you will be ok with losing", not surprisingly no one ever takes me up on that offer. Again those people don't care about that 1% until it hits close to home. Look at the hundreds of reports of children that are now orphans because both their parents literally died on that anti vax hill. Saw a post from Gov Kemp on FB today about his suit against the mask/vaccine mandate, the responses to his post clearly show why GA is typically near the worst nationally in terms of academic benchmarks. Some examples 1. Kids shouldn't wear masks in school because the lack of oxygen will diminish their brain development 2. Kids will develop speech impediments because they can't see the teachers mouth and won't learn to properly speak. We're never getting out of this mess because low information people are the most dangerous segment of society. Point to the percentages of Covid deaths, worldwide, without any co-morbidities. You'd be hard pressed to do so. Additionally, obesity is the most common factor of all co-morbidities in covid deaths... so if you want to have mandates - why not mandate a national exercise program? That would help lower death rates more than the other mandates. When it's just the dumb-hick rubes dying, you guys don't seem to give a sh#t... they get what they deserve. But now that EVERYONE is going to be infected - regardless of vaccination status - and you can't lord your status over those rubes... well let's just lock down everything again. How about you just learn to live with it. Mitigate your exposures. Do what you're comfortable doing and leave everyone else alone to do the same. And by they way... LEAVE THE KIDS THE F#CK ALONE YOU A$$HOLES... |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Dec 28, 2021 16:06:02 GMT -5
Little Covid humor to lighten the discussion.
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Post by rifle on Dec 28, 2021 18:08:23 GMT -5
Point to the percentages of Covid deaths, worldwide, without any co-morbidities. You'd be hard pressed to do so. Additionally, obesity is the most common factor of all co-morbidities in covid deaths... so if you want to have mandates - why not mandate a national exercise program? That would help lower death rates more than the other mandates. Have you found that data anywhere? I agree about the obesity problem. …The rest of your rant got flushed. |
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