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Post by lsagoalie on Feb 2, 2022 8:15:00 GMT -5
Does this become the top of the Pyramid at SSA? I heard that DPL and GAL teams might be switching and becoming under the umbrella of usys and the Elite 64
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Post by soccer888 on Feb 2, 2022 8:29:29 GMT -5
We heard that E64 is basically extra games for top players. In addition to MLSNext or ECNL or GA, not replacing those teams. More match ups vs ECNL and less reliance on bad local tournaments
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Post by lsagoalie on Feb 2, 2022 10:29:10 GMT -5
We heard that E64 is basically extra games for top players. In addition to MLSNext or ECNL or GA, not replacing those teams. More match ups vs ECNL and less reliance on bad local tournaments How can it be extra games when it is a 14 game regular season? Would seem to conflict with any other league |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 2, 2022 10:57:50 GMT -5
We heard that E64 is basically extra games for top players. In addition to MLSNext or ECNL or GA, not replacing those teams. More match ups vs ECNL and less reliance on bad local tournaments How can it be extra games when it is a 14 game regular season? Would seem to conflict with any other league It is a 10 month league so 14 games in 10 months is 1.4 games per month or a game every 3 weeks or so. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 2, 2022 11:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Feb 2, 2022 12:31:44 GMT -5
I’m waiting on the super duper elite league |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 2, 2022 14:53:23 GMT -5
If you read the comments from the directors you will see a comment towards the bottom where they confirm that it is not a league that separates but connects leagues. Playing GA vs ECNL vs other top clubs in USYS. Basically a Champions League. How can they do a 14 game league schedule? Well I say they do it via mostly 3 day weekends. It could easily be done. Currently the 20-22 league game seasons of ECNL and GA (don't know the boys side well enough) are put into a tight schedule for Georgia but let's not forget the additional tournaments and showcases. Plus Georgia teams could play in Dec/Jan and end of April/all of May. I would expect additional local teams in this league. At least I have been told a few other clubs submitted... |
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Post by hammertime on Feb 2, 2022 14:57:06 GMT -5
How can it be extra games when it is a 14 game regular season? Would seem to conflict with any other league It is a 10 month league so 14 games in 10 months is 1.4 games per month or a game every 3 weeks or so. Agree not many games. Of note it does say "A minimum of 14 league games over a 10-month season, with a schedule created to aid a player’s periodization and involvement in high school soccer." So older ages groups would get to 2.8 games a month over a five month season! Kidding on that but did go look to see if the league was going to allow for high school participations unlike MLS Next. Also of note and to a previous comment. It is a league run by USYS so they won't be any games against ECNL teams as players would be registered under different organizations. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 2, 2022 15:03:02 GMT -5
It is a 10 month league so 14 games in 10 months is 1.4 games per month or a game every 3 weeks or so. Agree not many games. Of note it does say "A minimum of 14 league games over a 10-month season, with a schedule created to aid a player’s periodization and involvement in high school soccer." So older ages groups would get to 2.8 games a month over a five month season! Kidding on that but did go look to see if the league was going to allow for high school participations unlike MLS Next. Also of note and to a previous comment. It is a league run by USYS so they won't be any games against ECNL teams as players would be registered under different organizations. No one says you can't register under both systems. We need to wait and see what other clubs are announced. I heard that there were ECNL teams that applied. They want to play against other leagues' teams. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 2, 2022 15:09:20 GMT -5
the timing of the finals could be problematic -- I assume if ecnl teams /mls next teams truly joined they would intentionally select different dates not to conflict with both MLS-next and ECNL
and saw this:
Q: How much is the per team entry fee to play in Elite 64?
The per team/per year Elite 64 entry fee is $4,800, payable to USYS.
18 players a team, ~$267 a player. Sounds like this would be on top of additional fees etc, and there would be additional fees to register players with USYS or state associations as well.
Any player who is registered with an Elite 64 club, and with their State Association
or USYS, is eligible to compete in an Elite 64 game.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 2, 2022 16:00:12 GMT -5
Last thing any ECNL team in the southeast conference needs is more games. Already have kids destroying their bodies all fall playing too many games with too much mindless travel. Then the kids head to high school programs playing 2-3 games each week all spring. Just an insane amount of games on young bodies. It's a brutal challenge, also because all the ages play and the addition of regional league teams -- i've seen it's hard to find bodies to fill in for injuries, because everyone is always playing games on the same day. |
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Post by justwatching on Feb 2, 2022 16:09:07 GMT -5
We heard that E64 is basically extra games for top players. In addition to MLSNext or ECNL or GA, not replacing those teams. More match ups vs ECNL and less reliance on bad local tournaments Sounds good in theory if they get a good mix of teams across leagues. I think it could work well if you cut out the home and away games in the regular leagues (why play a team twice anyways?). Play each team in your league (ECNL, MLS, GA, whatever) once and then have this and sounds like a good plan. That would take coordination across leagues which isn't likely. Can get rid of pre and post season tournaments. Add this on top of regular games and it doesn't sound that great. |
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Post by coffee on Feb 2, 2022 16:10:05 GMT -5
Q: How much is the per team entry fee to play in Elite 64? The per team/per year Elite 64 entry fee is $4,800, payable to USYS. 18 players a team, ~$267 a player. Sounds like this would be on top of additional fees etc, and there would be additional fees to register players with USYS or state associations as well. Any player who is registered with an Elite 64 club, and with their State Association or USYS, is eligible to compete in an Elite 64 game. And fees for practice and game Coach, field, club administrative time, and insurance; plus more travel fees (# of games/2 in additional hotels, flights, car rentals, and travel for coach). |
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Post by rifle on Feb 2, 2022 18:21:09 GMT -5
I remember $495 for a tournament. Only about a decade ago. Rich kid soccer has gotten insane.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 3, 2022 13:07:12 GMT -5
So glad I only have 3 more years of this club landscape...
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Post by footyfan on Feb 3, 2022 13:28:18 GMT -5
So, work with me here, if the best clubs are already supposed to be in ECNL/MLS-Not/USLA for boys and ECNL/GAL/USLA for girls, why don't those leagues just play each other? Did the non-elite-league clubs apply and not get in to these elite leagues? If so, why? If not, why not?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 3, 2022 15:56:21 GMT -5
This is USYS trying to get back a bigger share of the pie that they have lost over the past couple years to MLS Next/ECNL/GA.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 4, 2022 19:13:10 GMT -5
Heard during the convention last week that Rush Soccer, as a national organization will be entering as well. They’ll be taking the best players and teams from all of their local Rush clubs to compete in each region.
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Post by toddga675 on Feb 7, 2022 10:21:24 GMT -5
the timing of the finals could be problematic -- I assume if ecnl teams /mls next teams truly joined they would intentionally select different dates not to conflict with both MLS-next and ECNL and saw this: Q: How much is the per team entry fee to play in Elite 64? The per team/per year Elite 64 entry fee is $4,800, payable to USYS. 18 players a team, ~$267 a player. Sounds like this would be on top of additional fees etc, and there would be additional fees to register players with USYS or state associations as well. Any player who is registered with an Elite 64 club, and with their State Association or USYS, is eligible to compete in an Elite 64 game. Technically looks more like ~$450/player because of referee costs and the $8/month/player (minimum of 20 players) for the stats vest. All in all, the league would be very expensive add-on if it's simply to add more games for existing teams in existing leagues. |
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Post by toddga675 on Feb 7, 2022 10:24:44 GMT -5
Q: How much is the per team entry fee to play in Elite 64? The per team/per year Elite 64 entry fee is $4,800, payable to USYS. 18 players a team, ~$267 a player. Sounds like this would be on top of additional fees etc, and there would be additional fees to register players with USYS or state associations as well. Any player who is registered with an Elite 64 club, and with their State Association or USYS, is eligible to compete in an Elite 64 game. And fees for practice and game Coach, field, club administrative time, and insurance; plus more travel fees (# of games/2 in additional hotels, flights, car rentals, and travel for coach). Yep, sorry, you are right. Add to per player the additional coaching fees, field fees (if applicable), club admin time & expense, and most importantly the travel fees and coach per diem fees. Most likely adding another $5k of expense to each player net net. A substantial increase if this is supplemental games, i.e. not a replacement league. |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Feb 24, 2022 8:07:04 GMT -5
Just another way for kids to get more injuries and help parents get separated from their money. Wonder what college coaches think about this and if they see true value in it 🤔
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Post by forumlurker on Feb 24, 2022 9:30:08 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league.
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Post by bogan on Feb 24, 2022 9:37:54 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league. Sounds like a coalition of the willing …like Super Y. |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 24, 2022 9:46:40 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league. What do you mean they did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league? The players will be "elite". It is in the title of the league. |
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Post by forumlurker on Feb 24, 2022 10:47:35 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league. What do you mean they did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league? The players will be "elite". It is in the title of the league. Yes, excuse me they did indicate that in the title however they didn't say what they would be elite at |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 24, 2022 10:51:56 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league. Sounds like a coalition of the willing …like Super Y. yea, no thanks on that. not interested in being told on a wed, you need to travel location Y to play 2 games this weekend. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Feb 24, 2022 11:50:59 GMT -5
Has SSA or UFA communicated to their parents/kids how teams will be made up for this or what teams will play in it? I have seen where Charlotte SA says their teams will be selected weekly when there are matches and did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league. What do you mean they did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league? The players will be "elite". It is in the title of the league. They're bringing in a consultant to determine who is elite. (Kirby Smart enters the room . . . . . ) |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 24, 2022 12:00:53 GMT -5
What do you mean they did not indicate the level of the player that would be chosen for the league? The players will be "elite". It is in the title of the league. They're bringing in a consultant to determine who is elite. (Kirby Smart enters the room . . . . . ) You are either elite or you are not. In youth soccer, everyone is elite. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Feb 24, 2022 14:30:39 GMT -5
My guess is college coaches will not be interested in unknowns. They survive on limited budgets and will travel where they already know the best talent will be. The coaches know by u15/u16 who the top players are. I have said this before. The players know who the very top players are by that age and I am guessing they to will not care to play a team where the competition could be 3 or 4 levels below. I asked my kid and he said no thanks to this type of option.
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Post by greenmonkey on Feb 25, 2022 8:07:56 GMT -5
[brElite 64
(List compiled from Twitter releases so far over the past month)
Girls
Cedar Stars Academy (NJ)
Chicago Inter SC (IL)
Galaxy SC (IL)
NorCal Surf SC (CA)
Princeton Soccer Academy (NJ)
Southern Soccer Academy (GA)
TFA Cincinnati (OH)
West Florida Flames (FL)
Chicago FC United (IL)
FC Westlake (TX)
Greater Toledo FC Impact (OH)
Ohio Galaxies FC (OH)
St. Croix SC (MN)
Team Boca (FL)
Tonka Fusion Elite (MN)
Charlotte Soccer Academy (NC)
Las Vegas Surf SC (NV)
North Carolina FC Youth (NC)
Real Salt Lake – Arizona (AZ)
Soccer Association of Columbia (MD)
Utah Soccer Alliance (UT)
Madison 56ers SC (WI)
North Shore United (WI)
Renegades Soccer Club (TX)
Rockford Raptors FC (IL)
Seattle United (WA)
South Valley Surf (CA)
United Futbol Academy (GA)
Washington Premier FC (WA)
Boys
Beadling SC (PA)
Charlotte Soccer Academy (NC)
Las Vegas Surf SC (NV)
North Carolina FC Youth (NC)
Real Salt Lake – Arizona (AZ)
Soccer Association of Columbia (MD)
Cedar Stars Academy (NJ)
Galaxy SC (IL)
Jacksonville FC (FL)
Juventus Boston (MA)
NorCal Surf SC (CA)
Sparta United (UT)
Southern Soccer Academy (GA)
West Florida Flames (FL)
FC Westlake (TX)
Liverpool FC Int’l Academy Michigan (MI)
Ohio Galaxies FC (OH)
Princeton Soccer Academy (NJ)
Renegades Soccer Club (TX)
SC del Sol (AZ)
SC Wave (WI)
Madison 56ers SC (WI)
Michigan Tigers (MI)
Oregon Premier FC (OR)
Phoenix Rising FC Youth (AZ)
Rockford Raptors FC (IL)
Seattle United (WA)
United Futbol Academy (GA)
Washington Premier FC (WA)
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