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Post by socceristhebest on Mar 3, 2022 11:15:46 GMT -5
This is probably a controversial opinion and an in my opinion what is wrong with soccer in America.
I know last nights Atlanta United 2 roster for their last preseason game is still missing some late signed players.
But I'm very confident that their are many current 04's and 05's playing for clubs in the Atlanta market that are better than some of the players rostered last night. I can think of a few 05s alone. My intent isn't to call out any players specifically, but to me it's comical how some of these very talented 04 and 05 ecnl players will never get the exposure they deserve.
I'll take it even further, the amount of 02 college players currently playing are much better future prospects as well. I get it different ages, but still -- until this country figures out how to use and embrace college soccer correctly - we will never get over the mountain top.
NYFC signed a 14 year old to homegrown deal yesterday, I mean come on? 14 really? Kid could be middle school still.....
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Post by rifle on Mar 3, 2022 11:57:43 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying about players who won’t get the opportunity. It’s true but “embracing college soccer” isn’t the answer. An open pyramid is. Perhaps the current baseball lockout will help people realize that domestic Pro sports hierarchy is about control first money second and sport third. And players last.
People constantly shizat on “the sixth level of English football” and “teams who will never finish above 12th in EPL” but they ignore the fact that those levels are real and players have opportunities within them. The bottom of the pyramid is more important than the top in a real developmental hierarchy.
Our country is a soccer dead end until lower league clubs can climb and overtake crappy higher leagues clubs by winning. Otherwise there is zero incentive to invest in the game and it’ll remain a dead end.
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Post by socceristhebest on Mar 3, 2022 12:02:46 GMT -5
For sure you are 100% right. I oversimplified it for sure, but I think some how college soccer has to get worked into that open pyramid, but again like you said its not the bigger problem....
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 3, 2022 15:19:18 GMT -5
You both are so right.
Even the current academy stock at AU preforms very well but sadly won't get the chance. Only the "chosen ones"
A lot of "egos" in the soccer world. Being a good former player doesn't necessarily make you a great coach for development.
The goal for these MLS academy coaches should be how many players can I get to pro or college and helping them achieve those goals. So so many lower level international spots division 1-3, D1-3, NAIA etc, College routs. HELP the player get into those locations. Call, email, invite... I don't see a lot of that at all.
I honestly think a lot of that is just being lazy.
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Post by trainsoccer on Mar 3, 2022 15:38:41 GMT -5
So great to see young players given a chance to perform at one of the highest levels of soccer in the city. Definitely agree that there are plenty of other 05's or 04's who are talented in the city but maybe they just don't fit the profile that ATL UTD is looking for? Maybe they have to many people in that position? Who knows... just glad to see the young bucks given a chance!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 3, 2022 17:06:26 GMT -5
You both are so right. Even the current academy stock at AU preforms very well but sadly won't get the chance. Only the "chosen ones" A lot of "egos" in the soccer world. Being a good former player doesn't necessarily make you a great coach for development. The goal for these MLS academy coaches should be how many players can I get to pro or college and helping them achieve those goals. So so many lower level international spots division 1-3, D1-3, NAIA etc, College routs. HELP the player get into those locations. Call, email, invite... I don't see a lot of that at all. I honestly think a lot of that is just being lazy. Yea - I have relatives/friends in other cities, where the youth soccer isn't nearly as competitive, but they are surrounded by top tier d1 schools for both men and women. Their coaches are extremely honest, and can literally pick up the phone and call to speak to schools directly on players behalf's. they seem to be much more helpful to be honest and better connected. Full support and endorsement by a coach with contacts goes a long long way. Let me reiterate, their club and coaches are doing everything in their power to help kids. I'm so over having a roster of 18 - 23 kids in a an age group and then openingly showing the chosen ones favoritism. I have full confidence that players 6-23 could become gems also with time, patients and maturity. Develop them all, don't close doors. I honestly think the only value of the domestic player in the MLS is they are cheap and can help fill your roster. They have very little leverage when it comes to contract negations.
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Post by Respect on Mar 3, 2022 20:24:32 GMT -5
I’m not sure I get what y’all are saying here. MLS clubs have an intrinsic interests to choose, develop the best prospects. They can make tons of money in transfer fees so why will they choose someone who they think have no transfer value?
I believe that what your are saying is that they don’t know how to evaluate talent, which a different thing than try to play favorites. I always say that incentives drive behavior. Or is it the other way around, that we don’t know yet how to recognize soccer talent that can succeed at the highest professional levels?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 3, 2022 22:27:15 GMT -5
This is probably a controversial opinion and an in my opinion what is wrong with soccer in America. I know last nights Atlanta United 2 roster for their last preseason game is still missing some late signed players. But I'm very confident that their are many current 04's and 05's playing for clubs in the Atlanta market that are better than some of the players rostered last night. I can think of a few 05s alone. My intent isn't to call out any players specifically, but to me it's comical how some of these very talented 04 and 05 ecnl players will never get the exposure they deserve. I'll take it even further, the amount of 02 college players currently playing are much better future prospects as well. I get it different ages, but still -- until this country figures out how to use and embrace college soccer correctly - we will never get over the mountain top. NYFC signed a 14 year old to homegrown deal yesterday, I mean come on? 14 really? Kid could be middle school still..... I hear what you're saying but keep in mind that there is always an incentive to sign a HG. MLS mandates that slots 29 and 30 on a roster can only be occupied by a HG player. I think it also has to be pointed out that many local players across the AU academy ages get chances to trial with the team on an ongoing basis. The real question is this, is this trialist better than what you currently have? Most of the time, no for a myriad of reasons. Some players can't keep up with the pace, some are not fit enough, some are good playing in the ECNL but are just okay in the MLS Pro route and others may be talented enough but just don't have the willingness or mindset to thrive in a highly competitive environment. The AU United Georgia Cup that occurred last year really showcased the drop off in talent at the U14/15/17 age groups, especially in the 04/05 group. There truly was no competition. Now, could other players outside AU get the opportunity to develop and get better, absolutely. I think AU, ODP, Local Clubs should work together to identify the really talented non AU players and train and challenge them in other non-MLS tourneys and games. Think of it as an ongoing RDS program or a reserves team for the current AU Players. It gives those players who were missed, undersized, undeveloped another pathway on to all the benefits and opportunities AU provides...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 3, 2022 22:48:46 GMT -5
Teams Vs individuals is 2 different things
It’s so much easier to play when surrounded by talent and playing teams lacking the depth of an AU roster.
Their is no question there are some 05s in this town that are better than some of those getting all the attention. Look no further than Ufa’s 05s.
And their needs to be better callaboration like you said, I just don’t see it happening.
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Post by rifle on Mar 4, 2022 5:45:02 GMT -5
Teams Vs individuals is 2 different things It’s so much easier to play when surrounded by talent and playing teams lacking the depth of an AU roster. Their is no question there are some 05s in this town that are better than some of those getting all the attention. Look no further than Ufa’s 05s. And their needs to be better callaboration like you said, I just don’t see it happening. I used to believe that a talented player could not remain a secret. That scouts would find them. Today I’m not so sure. Theory: having multiple “elite” leagues hinders the talent identification system. For players AND coaching talent.
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