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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Mar 22, 2022 12:38:06 GMT -5
SE ECNL Conference expanding with 4 new teams...2 from S. Carolina and 2 new Florida teams. Teams will only play each other once, not twice. Let's argue...
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 22, 2022 13:31:42 GMT -5
I assume that this is girls. Anything that eases the travel burden of girls SE ECNL is a good thing. ECNL really needs to gain enough clubs in Florida to separate Florida from the rest of the SE like they have done with boys.
Could very easily move the 2 South Carolina teams and the 2 Charlotte teams into SE ECNL and have 10 teams. Home and away for an 18 game schedule. Would still have 10 teams in the Mid-Atlantic division so it would work perfectly. All travel would be 4 hours or less except for Alabama, which would have 6.5 hours to Charlotte.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 22, 2022 13:55:37 GMT -5
SE ECNL Conference expanding with 4 new teams...2 from S. Carolina and 2 new Florida teams. Teams will only play each other once, not twice. Let's argue... Which clubs? Why is S. Carolina being placed into SE? Are they new clubs from S. Carolina or just the same ones (CESA and SC United) being moved from mid-Atlantic over to SE? |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Mar 22, 2022 15:39:41 GMT -5
I am guessing this is just your opinion and conjecture? I don't see anything about this floating around the web.
It would be weird for this to happen though as I believe the new SE Conference would then play fewer games than any other conference.
Instead maybe they will move the SC teams to the SE, add 2 in FL and split the SE conference (Florida & AL/GA/SC). By doing this they could have FL teams play each other twice while playing the others once. Then AL/GA/SC play each other twice and all the FL teams once. This would create a 22 game season, which is pretty much in line with what all ECNL conferences play (18-24 games).
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 22, 2022 16:20:31 GMT -5
Yea, no doubt is this facts or conjecture?
We are a facts based society here......
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Post by bogan on Mar 22, 2022 16:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by paterfamilias on Mar 23, 2022 3:44:24 GMT -5
Conjecture and speculation is frowned upon indeed.
I'd suggest that as long as people hide behind assumed identities, some "facts" will be in the eye of the beholder.
Geoff
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Post by bogan on Mar 23, 2022 5:23:50 GMT -5
Conjecture and speculation is frowned upon indeed. I'd suggest that as long as people hide behind assumed identities, some "facts" will be in the eye of the beholder. Geoff I agree- Gern Galackowitz, IV 😉 |
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Mar 23, 2022 7:52:25 GMT -5
I assume that this is girls. Anything that eases the travel burden of girls SE ECNL is a good thing. ECNL really needs to gain enough clubs in Florida to separate Florida from the rest of the SE like they have done with boys. Could very easily move the 2 South Carolina teams and the 2 Charlotte teams into SE ECNL and have 10 teams. Home and away for an 18 game schedule. Would still have 10 teams in the Mid-Atlantic division so it would work perfectly. All travel would be 4 hours or less except for Alabama, which would have 6.5 hours to Charlotte. I don't think they would ever have a single conference divided such that games were not evenly weighted across the board. They did this last year for some conferences due to the pandemic and the end result was a disaster in terms of the final standings and teams awarded playoff spots. ECNL's announcement of 5 clubs getting promoted from ECRL doesn't say anything about conference realignment. The Southeast Conference will now have 14 teams next year and the Mid-Atlantic Conference will now have 15 teams. It wouldn't make sense to send CESA and SCUFC to Southeast in terms of balancing the conferences out. www.ecnlgirls.com/2022/03/22/ecnl-girls-promotes-five-clubs-from-regional-league-to-club-competition-for-2022-23-season/ |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 23, 2022 8:21:08 GMT -5
I assume that this is girls. Anything that eases the travel burden of girls SE ECNL is a good thing. ECNL really needs to gain enough clubs in Florida to separate Florida from the rest of the SE like they have done with boys. Could very easily move the 2 South Carolina teams and the 2 Charlotte teams into SE ECNL and have 10 teams. Home and away for an 18 game schedule. Would still have 10 teams in the Mid-Atlantic division so it would work perfectly. All travel would be 4 hours or less except for Alabama, which would have 6.5 hours to Charlotte. I don't think they would ever have a single conference divided such that games were not evenly weighted across the board. They did this last year for some conferences due to the pandemic and the end result was a disaster in terms of the final standings and teams awarded playoff spots. ECNL's announcement of 5 clubs getting promoted from ECRL doesn't say anything about conference realignment. The Southeast Conference will now have 14 teams next year and the Mid-Atlantic Conference will now have 15 teams. It wouldn't make sense to send CESA and SCUFC to Southeast in terms of balancing the conferences out. www.ecnlgirls.com/2022/03/22/ecnl-girls-promotes-five-clubs-from-regional-league-to-club-competition-for-2022-23-season/I was talking about dividing the SE conference into 2 conferences like the boys. The boys currently have a Florida conference and a SE conference (GA, AL, TN, SC). Since TN girls plays high school soccer in the fall, they could not be added to SE conference so the idea was to take the two clubs from Charlotte and place them in SE. Mid-Atlantic would remain a separate conference with a few less teams. With the addition of 2 new Florida teams, to play home and home, that is now 4 trips to Florida in the fall. That is brutal. |
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Post by ncsoccerparent on Mar 23, 2022 9:42:23 GMT -5
How are games currently done with the Ohio Valley conference for girls? They have a North and South Division of 6 teams each.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 23, 2022 10:24:40 GMT -5
I don't think they would ever have a single conference divided such that games were not evenly weighted across the board. They did this last year for some conferences due to the pandemic and the end result was a disaster in terms of the final standings and teams awarded playoff spots. ECNL's announcement of 5 clubs getting promoted from ECRL doesn't say anything about conference realignment. The Southeast Conference will now have 14 teams next year and the Mid-Atlantic Conference will now have 15 teams. It wouldn't make sense to send CESA and SCUFC to Southeast in terms of balancing the conferences out. www.ecnlgirls.com/2022/03/22/ecnl-girls-promotes-five-clubs-from-regional-league-to-club-competition-for-2022-23-season/I was talking about dividing the SE conference into 2 conferences like the boys. The boys currently have a Florida conference and a SE conference (GA, AL, TN, SC). Since TN girls plays high school soccer in the fall, they could not be added to SE conference so the idea was to take the two clubs from Charlotte and place them in SE. Mid-Atlantic would remain a separate conference with a few less teams. With the addition of 2 new Florida teams, to play home and home, that is now 4 trips to Florida in the fall. That is brutal. At least they added a Tampa team so now when they go to Tampa they have two games. Then when they go to Ft Lauderdale they can drive across to that Florida West team. Much better than going from Tampa to Ft Lauderdale. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 23, 2022 10:36:20 GMT -5
All I know is this -- "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
But back to the thread--- removing Florida from the SE division for the boys ecnl was the greatest thing to happen to youth soccer in decades -- possibly the greatest thing in the history of US youth soccer
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Post by soccermom4 on Mar 23, 2022 15:34:42 GMT -5
What we have been told in Florida is that now everyone will only play each team in the conference once a year. Whether that is home or away will alternate each year. So in essence, the Atlanta teams will need to make two trips to Florida in the fall in the Florida teams will need to make two trips to Atlanta in the fall. Who knows if that is actually what will happen, but that is what is being said at the moment
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Post by winning on Mar 24, 2022 20:05:24 GMT -5
I assume that this is girls. Anything that eases the travel burden of girls SE ECNL is a good thing. ECNL really needs to gain enough clubs in Florida to separate Florida from the rest of the SE like they have done with boys. Could very easily move the 2 South Carolina teams and the 2 Charlotte teams into SE ECNL and have 10 teams. Home and away for an 18 game schedule. Would still have 10 teams in the Mid-Atlantic division so it would work perfectly. All travel would be 4 hours or less except for Alabama, which would have 6.5 hours to Charlotte. I don't think they would ever have a single conference divided such that games were not evenly weighted across the board. They did this last year for some conferences due to the pandemic and the end result was a disaster in terms of the final standings and teams awarded playoff spots. ECNL's announcement of 5 clubs getting promoted from ECRL doesn't say anything about conference realignment. The Southeast Conference will now have 14 teams next year and the Mid-Atlantic Conference will now have 15 teams. It wouldn't make sense to send CESA and SCUFC to Southeast in terms of balancing the conferences out. www.ecnlgirls.com/2022/03/22/ecnl-girls-promotes-five-clubs-from-regional-league-to-club-competition-for-2022-23-season/And STILL no ECNL for Tophat!!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You gotta love it!!! |
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Post by soccergurl on Mar 24, 2022 21:13:30 GMT -5
|me thinks tophat happi in gal|
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Post by happypeach on Mar 25, 2022 20:35:01 GMT -5
My BFF in SC has a kid playing for CESA and they definitely have been added to SE conference, they got a message from the club today.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 26, 2022 13:53:40 GMT -5
At this point why would Tophat want ECNL? They have their own league where they get likely controlling vote. They could probably put their top 3 or 4 teams in the league if they wanted to.
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Post by winning on Apr 2, 2022 11:38:22 GMT -5
At this point why would Tophat want ECNL? They have their own league where they get likely controlling vote. They could probably put their top 3 or 4 teams in the league if they wanted to. Why would they want to? BECAUSE THE ECNL IS THE BETTER LEAGUE (ESPECIALLY in the Southeastern Conference)!!! Also, there is NO WAY Tophat’s 3rd and 4th teams would even be even remotely competitive in the ECNL. |
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Post by fgug on Apr 2, 2022 21:17:02 GMT -5
Tophat 3rd and 4th teams would also not be competitive in GA. But let’s be honest - Concorde 2nd teams are not competitive in ECNL. It’s pretty remarkable they have a spot. Tophat 1st teams would destroy them and Tophat 2nd teams would likely beat them too.
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Post by collegesoccer on Apr 4, 2022 21:13:21 GMT -5
Tophat 3rd and 4th teams would also not be competitive in GA. But let’s be honest - Concorde 2nd teams are not competitive in ECNL. It’s pretty remarkable they have a spot. Tophat 1st teams would destroy them and Tophat 2nd teams would likely beat them too. This is true^^^ |
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 4, 2022 21:19:24 GMT -5
Tophat 3rd and 4th teams would also not be competitive in GA. But let’s be honest - Concorde 2nd teams are not competitive in ECNL. It’s pretty remarkable they have a spot. Tophat 1st teams would destroy them and Tophat 2nd teams would likely beat them too. This is true^^^ It is funny how people like to crap on Concorde premier but in every age group except U13, premier is ahead of at least 1 other Atlanta club in the standings. |
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Post by winning on Apr 4, 2022 23:48:13 GMT -5
It is funny how people like to crap on Concorde premier but in every age group except U13, premier is ahead of at least 1 other Atlanta club in the standings. True. The only reason Tophat’s 2nd teams are even remotely competitive in GA in the first place is because GAL’s SE conference is so incredibly weak. Would Tophat’s Gold teams beat some of the Premier teams? Sure, I’ll readily concede that. Would they DESTROY them all as fgug claims? Hell no! Here’s a better question. Why are the Tophat Gold teams struggling so badly? I mean, a Tophat parent in another thread recently conceded that the 04s and 07s suffered several defections in recent years (INTEGRAL ones, in fact)—fyi, so have the 05s and 06s (equally if not more so)—and that the 09s have struggled this year as well. Given that recurring theme, it should come as no surprise at all that I submit that given all of these defections to greener pastures elsewhere, between the 04s, 05s and 06s at each of Tophat, Concorde, UFA and GSA, Tophat’s Gold teams would lose EVERY SINGLE GAME against their top ECNL counterparts in each of those 3 age groups at each of those 3 ECNL clubs? Moreover, circling back to fgug’s argument above, I would argue that Concorde’s 05 Premier team would DEFEAT Tophat’s 05 Gold squad, and 06 Premier would give 06 Gold a battle that could go either way in the end (I can’t speak to 04 Premier simply because I don’t know that squad very well). I challenge anyone else who has similar knowledge of the rosters/talent on each of those 12 teams (i.e., every top team in each of the 04, 05 and 06 age groups at each of those 4 clubs) to argue otherwise. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 5, 2022 11:38:02 GMT -5
No dog in this fight, but looking at the ECNL girls standings, Concorde Premier would be a solid ECNL club IMO. Their average position is above 8 and have 2 age groups in the top half of the bracket. The Florida clubs are by-and-large weaker on average than CF Premier. Not sure why anyone would throw shade on that.
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 9, 2022 23:24:51 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. All but the 07 GA Navy team would likely beat most of the CF ECNL Premier teams.
Tophat Gold and IMG are the big dawgs in GA. Tophat is not leaving GA to go to ECNL ... pointless at this point. It's a growing league with top D1 schools coming to their showcases.
ECNL in Atlanta:
- AFU (struggling in most age groups)
- CF Platinum (top of most ages)
- CF Premier (middle of the road)
- GSA (strong competitor in most age groups)
- UFA (varies per age group)
GA in Atlanta:
- AFC (07s killing it, but middle to bottom of most age groups)
- SSA (middle to bottom of most age groups)
- Tophat Gold (top of most age groups)
- Tophat Navy (middle of the pack in most groups except the 07s)
To me it's not about the league but more about the coach and are they being taken to showcases that provide the best exposure for the players.
The 06 and 08 age groups are VERY competitive still. A lot of talent that needs to be properly nurtured.
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Post by BubbleDad on Apr 9, 2022 23:32:27 GMT -5
It is funny how people like to crap on Concorde premier but in every age group except U13, premier is ahead of at least 1 other Atlanta club in the standings. True. The only reason Tophat’s 2nd teams are even remotely competitive in GA in the first place is because GAL’s SE conference is so incredibly weak. Would Tophat’s Gold teams beat some of the Premier teams? Sure, I’ll readily concede that. Would they DESTROY them all as fgug claims? Hell no! Here’s a better question. Why are the Tophat Gold teams struggling so badly? I mean, a Tophat parent in another thread recently conceded that the 04s and 07s suffered several defections in recent years (INTEGRAL ones, in fact)—fyi, so have the 05s and 06s (equally if not more so)—and that the 09s have struggled this year as well. Given that recurring theme, it should come as no surprise at all that I submit that given all of these defections to greener pastures elsewhere, between the 04s, 05s and 06s at each of Tophat, Concorde, UFA and GSA, Tophat’s Gold teams would lose EVERY SINGLE GAME against their top ECNL counterparts in each of those 3 age groups at each of those 3 ECNL clubs? Moreover, circling back to fgug’s argument above, I would argue that Concorde’s 05 Premier team would DEFEAT Tophat’s 05 Gold squad, and 06 Premier would give 06 Gold a battle that could go either way in the end (I can’t speak to 04 Premier simply because I don’t know that squad very well). I challenge anyone else who has similar knowledge of the rosters/talent on each of those 12 teams (i.e., every top team in each of the 04, 05 and 06 age groups at each of those 4 clubs) to argue otherwise. With all due respect...06 CF Premier is NOT beating Tophat Gold. I've seen both teams and respect all players on both sides. Despite player loss on the Tophat side in the last few years ... the 06 Premier team has high turnover... we know of numerous girls who have come in and out of CF via that team as an entry way into ECNL and most have left that team. This harms team chemistry ... |
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Post by winning on Apr 10, 2022 13:27:25 GMT -5
True. The only reason Tophat’s 2nd teams are even remotely competitive in GA in the first place is because GAL’s SE conference is so incredibly weak. Would Tophat’s Gold teams beat some of the Premier teams? Sure, I’ll readily concede that. Would they DESTROY them all as fgug claims? Hell no! Here’s a better question. Why are the Tophat Gold teams struggling so badly? I mean, a Tophat parent in another thread recently conceded that the 04s and 07s suffered several defections in recent years (INTEGRAL ones, in fact)—fyi, so have the 05s and 06s (equally if not more so)—and that the 09s have struggled this year as well. Given that recurring theme, it should come as no surprise at all that I submit that given all of these defections to greener pastures elsewhere, between the 04s, 05s and 06s at each of Tophat, Concorde, UFA and GSA, Tophat’s Gold teams would lose EVERY SINGLE GAME against their top ECNL counterparts in each of those 3 age groups at each of those 3 ECNL clubs? Moreover, circling back to fgug’s argument above, I would argue that Concorde’s 05 Premier team would DEFEAT Tophat’s 05 Gold squad, and 06 Premier would give 06 Gold a battle that could go either way in the end (I can’t speak to 04 Premier simply because I don’t know that squad very well). I challenge anyone else who has similar knowledge of the rosters/talent on each of those 12 teams (i.e., every top team in each of the 04, 05 and 06 age groups at each of those 4 clubs) to argue otherwise. With all due respect...06 CF Premier is NOT beating Tophat Gold. I've seen both teams and respect all players on both sides. Despite player loss on the Tophat side in the last few years ... the 06 Premier team has high turnover... we know of numerous girls who have come in and out of CF via that team as an entry way into ECNL and most have left that team. This harms team chemistry ... Agree to disagree re: Concorde Premier because TH 06 Gold has had significant turnover in recent years as well. They’ve also had some “interesting” personnel as of late as well. A starting center back becomes your starting center forward? A back-up center forward becomes a center back? An outside back becomes a center back? A starting forward becomes your center mid? Curious to be sure and I think the seemingly haphazard movement to unfamiliar positions has contributed to their struggles. Not sure where you’re going re: Concorde Premier, as that squad clearly was not my point. My focus was that the #1 team at each of Concorde, UFA and GSA in the 04-06 age groups would absolutely SMOKE the Tophat Gold squad in each of those age groups and that Tophat as a whole has fallen off precipitously over the last 2-3 years (04, 05, 06, 07 and 09!). That’s pretty much the entirety of all their top GA teams. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 10, 2022 15:06:37 GMT -5
With all due respect...06 CF Premier is NOT beating Tophat Gold. I've seen both teams and respect all players on both sides. Despite player loss on the Tophat side in the last few years ... the 06 Premier team has high turnover... we know of numerous girls who have come in and out of CF via that team as an entry way into ECNL and most have left that team. This harms team chemistry ... Agree to disagree re: Concorde Premier because TH 06 Gold has had significant turnover in recent years as well. They’ve also had some “interesting” personnel as of late as well. A starting center back becomes your starting center forward? A back-up center forward becomes a center back? An outside back becomes a center back? A starting forward becomes your center mid? Curious to be sure and I think the seemingly haphazard movement to unfamiliar positions has contributed to their struggles. Not sure where you’re going re: Concorde Premier, as that squad clearly was not my point. My focus was that the #1 team at each of Concorde, UFA and GSA in the 04-06 age groups would absolutely SMOKE the Tophat Gold squad in each of those age groups and that Tophat as a whole has fallen off precipitously over the last 2-3 years (04, 05, 06, 07 and 09!). That’s pretty much the entirety of all their top GA teams. Position changes can certainly cause losses, but for recruiting it can be extremely helpful. I know our kid has been complimented for playing center back and outside back and doing very well at those in ID camps and neither is her regular position. TH has lost some great players in the last few years but I don't agree about being SMOKED by CF, UFA and GSA at all age groups. You can have your opinion but we will never know since they don't play each other. I do agree that TH would not win all of those games, but I think they would win some. Regardless we have once again gotten way off topic and fallen into bashing other clubs. So to get back on topic has anyone gotten confirmation on the SE ECNL girls plan for next season. Adding the two confirmed Florida teams (posted by ECNL) that is 14 teams and if CESA and SCUFC are truly in then 16 teams. How will that be scheduled? Also what is the plan for ECRL as I have a younger one that might go that route if current coach leaves team. |
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Post by winning on Apr 10, 2022 17:42:00 GMT -5
Agree to disagree re: Concorde Premier because TH 06 Gold has had significant turnover in recent years as well. They’ve also had some “interesting” personnel as of late as well. A starting center back becomes your starting center forward? A back-up center forward becomes a center back? An outside back becomes a center back? A starting forward becomes your center mid? Curious to be sure and I think the seemingly haphazard movement to unfamiliar positions has contributed to their struggles. Not sure where you’re going re: Concorde Premier, as that squad clearly was not my point. My focus was that the #1 team at each of Concorde, UFA and GSA in the 04-06 age groups would absolutely SMOKE the Tophat Gold squad in each of those age groups and that Tophat as a whole has fallen off precipitously over the last 2-3 years (04, 05, 06, 07 and 09!). That’s pretty much the entirety of all their top GA teams. Position changes can certainly cause losses, but for recruiting it can be extremely helpful. I know our kid has been complimented for playing center back and outside back and doing very well at those in ID camps and neither is her regular position. TH has lost some great players in the last few years but I don't agree about being SMOKED by CF, UFA and GSA at all age groups. You can have your opinion but we will never know since they don't play each other. I do agree that TH would not win all of those games, but I think they would win some. Regardless we have once again gotten way off topic and fallen into bashing other clubs. So to get back on topic has anyone gotten confirmation on the SE ECNL girls plan for next season. Adding the two confirmed Florida teams (posted by ECNL) that is 14 teams and if CESA and SCUFC are truly in then 16 teams. How will that be scheduled? Also what is the plan for ECRL as I have a younger one that might go that route if current coach leaves team. Please, name a game they would win. JUST ONE. |
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Post by 04gparent on Apr 10, 2022 20:12:23 GMT -5
Position changes can certainly cause losses, but for recruiting it can be extremely helpful. I know our kid has been complimented for playing center back and outside back and doing very well at those in ID camps and neither is her regular position. TH has lost some great players in the last few years but I don't agree about being SMOKED by CF, UFA and GSA at all age groups. You can have your opinion but we will never know since they don't play each other. I do agree that TH would not win all of those games, but I think they would win some. Regardless we have once again gotten way off topic and fallen into bashing other clubs. So to get back on topic has anyone gotten confirmation on the SE ECNL girls plan for next season. Adding the two confirmed Florida teams (posted by ECNL) that is 14 teams and if CESA and SCUFC are truly in then 16 teams. How will that be scheduled? Also what is the plan for ECRL as I have a younger one that might go that route if current coach leaves team. Please, name a game they would win. JUST ONE. Got to love this time of year... Someone creates a new account and almost all post begin to bash another club. I love that TH lives rent free in your head. Just because you say something 3 times on the forum doesnt make it true... TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Please state what club you favor so we can analyse the results... TH 06 Gold have not lost players and are not struggling. Some girls left the NAVY team and are major contributors on ECNL teams... That actually points to the depth and development at the club and I'm happy they found great homes. Please check your facts bro. I will state it again for the people in the back and the current parents know this. They have seen the top colleges at GA showcases since the blackout period has been lifted... You will be seen and featured at TH. LOL teams stuggling... Yes you can point to the ECNL being a more established league... No one is going to debate that... Once again... You gotta love this time of year... |
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