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Post by winning on Apr 15, 2022 11:31:19 GMT -5
Please, name a game they would win. JUST ONE. Got to love this time of year... Someone creates a new account and almost all post begin to bash another club. I love that TH lives rent free in your head. Just because you say something 3 times on the forum doesnt make it true... TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Please state what club you favor so we can analyse the results... TH 06 Gold have not lost players and are not struggling. Some girls left the NAVY team and are major contributors on ECNL teams... That actually points to the depth and development at the club and I'm happy they found great homes. Please check your facts bro. I will state it again for the people in the back and the current parents know this. They have seen the top colleges at GA showcases since the blackout period has been lifted... You will be seen and featured at TH. LOL teams stuggling... Yes you can point to the ECNL being a more established league... No one is going to debate that... Once again... You gotta love this time of year... Hahahaha, nice post. Actually, this is not a new account. I’ve had it for a couple of years now; I just rarely post (nice try but you gotta get your facts straight next time). Also, it’s not that Tophat’s in my head—I’m simply calling BS at the antiquated idea that many Tophat parents have—and have the gall to endlessly try to claim on this forum—that (i) Tophat is somehow THE club in Atlanta a la its “Tophat 23 Gold” days and (ii) GAL is a league on par with ECNL. I’ll admit there was a time when the former may have been the case, but that time has long since passed (and the latter has yet to come to be, if it ever does). The steady and unrelenting exodus of Tophat’s top talent to rival clubs, the consequential hits its top teams have taken as a result and the club’s relegation to GAL appear to confirm this (and I say “relegation“ because if the powers-that-be over there were completely happy about being in GAL, they wouldn’t keep trying to get back into ECNL year after year as has been mentioned many times by others on this forum). As for my thoughts on this issue, it’s not like I’m coming out of left field on this one, as I’m using YOUR POST AS A TOPHAT PARENT from a few weeks ago as the basis for my argument. “Yes the TH 04 and 07 teams took hits as people searched for this exposure BEFORE GA was fully functional.” Those are your words, correct? That was your response to another poster’s argument that “the 08 gold team is by far the strongest team for their age of all the TH gold teams. They were the only TH team to make the finals of Champions League last week. The 09 gold has struggled all year. If TH doesn’t keep the 08 team together, can’t be looking good for TH In the future and trying to sell GA league as an equal to ECNL without stellar teams to back it up..” Have no clue who that other poster is but clearly I’m not alone in my position, as others have echoed similar opinions in the past re: the waning relevance of Tophat as a soccer club in metro Atlanta. Unlike my question re: how the 04-06 Tophat Gold teams would fare against its top ECNL counterparts at Concorde, GDA and UFA that went unanswered, I will actually address your questions. 1. “TH 06 Gold have not lost players and are not struggling.” Sorry, but as the Gen Zers like to say, I’m gonna have to call cap on that. Over the course of the last 2 seasons, Tophat 06 Gold has lost its starting center forward, arguably its best on-ball defender and it’s ONLY GK all at the same time to 2 separate teams at 2 different clubs (not counting the GK there, as she stayed with Tophat and simply moved to 05 Gold). Throw in losing its starting center mid as well last year, and that makes 4 players and 3/4 of that team’s starting spine that have moved on over the last 2 seasons, not to mention an additional 3 other players as well. Doesn’t sound to me like 06 Gold hasn’t lost any players. 2. TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Again, I direct you to your own words above re: 04 Gold and 07 Gold, but if you require another example, I give you Tophat 05 Gold. Now, you know from my posts that I feel strongly that the GAL SE conference is the weakest in all of GAL and ECNL combined. So this squad—tops in the GAL 05 SE conference—goes to a national showcase last month to compete. Now, I will be the first to admit that ANY team can have a bad game or 2, so when 05 Gold went 0-2 in its first 2 matches, that wasn’t a big deal, as eventually, it did find a way to bring home the W in game 3. What IS unbelievable, however, is that because of that 1-2 record, once the schedules were reworked based on all teams’ performances, that squad was essentially banished to the LOSERS’ bracket so that it could battle against a fellow 1-2 team in its fourth and final match. Can you guess where I’m going with this? You got it—a THIRD loss (this time in the losers’ bracket) and a 1-3 record overall. Did I forget to mention that the starting center mid, starting holding mid and only GK at the time left for greener pastures over a 2 year period as well, significantly contributing to the steady decline in this team’s performance outside of GAL SE over the last 3 seasons? I’m sorry, but if that ain’t the very definition of “struggling,” then I dont know what is… |
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Post by Strikeorkeep on Apr 15, 2022 11:54:19 GMT -5
Got to love this time of year... Someone creates a new account and almost all post begin to bash another club. I love that TH lives rent free in your head. Just because you say something 3 times on the forum doesnt make it true... TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Please state what club you favor so we can analyse the results... TH 06 Gold have not lost players and are not struggling. Some girls left the NAVY team and are major contributors on ECNL teams... That actually points to the depth and development at the club and I'm happy they found great homes. Please check your facts bro. I will state it again for the people in the back and the current parents know this. They have seen the top colleges at GA showcases since the blackout period has been lifted... You will be seen and featured at TH. LOL teams stuggling... Yes you can point to the ECNL being a more established league... No one is going to debate that... Once again... You gotta love this time of year... Hahahaha, nice post. Actually, this is not a new account. I’ve had it for a couple of years now; I just rarely post (nice try but you gotta get your facts straight next time). Also, it’s not that Tophat’s in my head—I’m simply calling BS at the antiquated idea that many Tophat parents have—and have the gall to endlessly try to claim on this forum—that (i) Tophat is somehow THE club in Atlanta a la its “Tophat 23 Gold” days and (ii) GAL is a league on par with ECNL. I’ll admit there was a time when the former may have been the case, but that time has long since passed (and the latter has yet to come to be, if it ever does). The steady and unrelenting exodus of Tophat’s top talent to rival clubs, the consequential hits its top teams have taken as a result and the club’s relegation to GAL appear to confirm this (and I say “relegation“ because if the powers-that-be over there were completely happy about being in GAL, they wouldn’t keep trying to get back into ECNL year after year as has been mentioned many times by others on this forum). As for my thoughts on this issue, it’s not like I’m coming out of left field on this one, as I’m using YOUR POST AS A TOPHAT PARENT from a few weeks ago as the basis for my argument. “Yes the TH 04 and 07 teams took hits as people searched for this exposure BEFORE GA was fully functional.” Those are your words, correct? That was your response to another poster’s argument that “the 08 gold team is by far the strongest team for their age of all the TH gold teams. They were the only TH team to make the finals of Champions League last week. The 09 gold has struggled all year. If TH doesn’t keep the 08 team together, can’t be looking good for TH In the future and trying to sell GA league as an equal to ECNL without stellar teams to back it up..” Have no clue who that other poster is but clearly I’m not alone in my position, as others have echoed similar opinions in the past re: the waning relevance of Tophat as a soccer club in metro Atlanta. Unlike my question re: how the 04-06 Tophat Gold teams would fare against its top ECNL counterparts at Concorde, GDA and UFA that went unanswered, I will actually address your questions. 1. “TH 06 Gold have not lost players and are not struggling.” Sorry, but as the Gen Zers like to say, I’m gonna have to call cap on that. Over the course of the last 2 seasons, Tophat 06 Gold has lost its starting center forward, arguably its best on-ball defender and it’s ONLY GK all at the same time to 2 separate teams at 2 different clubs (not counting the GK there, as she stayed with Tophat and simply moved to 05 Gold). Throw in losing its starting center mid as well last year, and that makes 4 players and 3/4 of that team’s starting spine that have moved on over the last 2 seasons, not to mention an additional 3 other players as well. Doesn’t sound to me like 06 Gold hasn’t lost any players. 2. TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Again, I direct you to your own words above re: 04 Gold and 07 Gold, but if you require another example, I give you Tophat 05 Gold. Now, you know from my posts that I feel strongly that the GAL SE conference is the weakest in all of GAL and ECNL combined. So this squad—tops in the GAL 05 SE conference—goes to a national showcase last month to compete. Now, I will be the first to admit that ANY team can have a bad game or 2, so when 05 Gold went 0-2 in its first 2 matches, that wasn’t a big deal, as eventually, it did find a way to bring home the W in game 3. What IS unbelievable, however, is that because of that 1-2 record, once the schedules were reworked based on all teams’ performances, that squad was essentially banished to the LOSERS’ bracket so that it could battle against a fellow 1-2 team in its fourth and final match. Can you guess where I’m going with this? You got it—a THIRD loss (this time in the losers’ bracket) and a 1-3 record overall. Did I forget to mention that the starting center mid, starting holding mid and only GK at the time left for greener pastures over a 2 year period as well, significantly contributing to the steady decline in this team’s performance outside of GAL SE over the last 3 seasons? I’m sorry, but if that ain’t the very definition of “struggling,” then I dont know what is… We have a ton of friends on that 06 team (my kids younger). They lost a few here and there but why are they having better results this year than in the past few? Scoring more goals and giving up less. With all the changes you noted and the assumption it only weakend that team, I would have guessed their record and stats would have dipped. League aside, I think some success is measured by a) # of coaches at your games/practices and b) how many of your kids move on to next level. Yea, going to nationals and having a great record is certainly a good measure but whats the endgame goal for most? Moving on to the next level? National team participation? TH is still managing to do this without the ECNL logo on their sleeve. |
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Post by mamadona on Apr 15, 2022 13:11:38 GMT -5
I don't really know that much about the TH teams but I've heard that the 2010 team is very strong, they play up in 09 DPL currently. Wonder if they'll stay together.
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Post by forumlurker on Apr 15, 2022 13:28:02 GMT -5
The 09 gold has struggled all year. If TH doesn’t keep the 08 team together, can’t be looking good for TH In the future and trying to sell GA league as an equal to ECNL without stellar teams to back it up..” Have no clue who that other poster is but clearly I’m not alone in my position, as others have echoed similar opinions in the past re: the waning relevance of Tophat as a soccer club in metro Atlanta. Unlike my question re: how the 04-06 Tophat Gold teams would fare against its top ECNL counterparts at Concorde, GDA and UFA that went unanswered, I will actually address your questions. 2. TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Again, I direct you to your own words above re: 04 Gold and 07 Gold, but if you require another example,... Didn't half (5) of the 07s that left TH when DA went away try to come back to TH after one year somewhere else (Concorde Platinum)? Some made it back on top team and a couple did not but are on top ECNL teams now. Also the 09s while struggling in GA also beat the local ECNL teams GSA (3rd 10-2-2) and Concorde Platinum (4th 11-3-1) head to head (haven't played UFA). So doesn't seem like they would struggle in the local ECNL or local GA league. 2010s and 2011s while not yet GA have beaten all the local teams by a pretty substantial margin. 2008s haven't been a part of the conversation so no need to put their resume against the other Atlanta teams 2007s beat a common opponent 2007 CF Platinum lost to but no head to head 2006, 2005, and 2003/04 no head to head. 2005s at Concorde are weak and TH 2005s aren't super strong either. But to say Concorde Platinum or Premier could beat TH 05 is pretty laughable because we will never know and you are talking teams with some pretty atrocious results. Also to be fair outside of the 06 TH Gold team I am not sure the 06-03/04 CF or TH top teams have had a ton of success outside of the SE conference. Although the TH 05s did pretty well last year in the national playoffs. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 15, 2022 14:50:32 GMT -5
On the plus side, at least we're really not discussing some new league this year (other than that new USYS 64 whatever its called, not super relevant).
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Post by soccernoleuk on Apr 15, 2022 16:27:09 GMT -5
On the plus side, at least we're really not discussing some new league this year (other than that new USYS 64 whatever its called, not super relevant). Apparently we aren't really even discussing the new landscape of ECNL here in the southeast. Instead we are talking about how good Tophat is compared to the ECNL teams. It is amazing how easily threads tangent off into Tophat vs. the world. |
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Post by bogan on Apr 15, 2022 16:30:33 GMT -5
Top Hat lives rent free…
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 15, 2022 16:58:41 GMT -5
Hmm, Tophat still exists? Interesting.
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Post by mightydawg on Apr 20, 2022 11:20:56 GMT -5
Not really sure where to put this and not worth creating its own thread, but ECNL announced the addition of new clubs into Regional leagues. No teams were added in either girls or boys to Southeast. On the girls side, Carolinas did get a new team--Highland FC out of Ashville, and Florida added 2 new teams--Swan city and Braden River.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 20, 2022 12:09:08 GMT -5
Not really sure where to put this and not worth creating its own thread, but ECNL announced the addition of new clubs into Regional leagues. No teams were added in either girls or boys to Southeast. On the girls side, Carolinas did get a new team--Highland FC out of Ashville, and Florida added 2 new teams--Swan city and Braden River. Just a reminder to all that Florida is still in girls Southeast ECNL conference Florida Premier and Florida West were added to girls ECNL. I imagine the new ECRL teams are to back fill the two that left. |
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Apr 20, 2022 16:47:47 GMT -5
What “common opponent” did TH 07 beat that CF Plat lost too? 🤨 The 09 gold has struggled all year. If TH doesn’t keep the 08 team together, can’t be looking good for TH In the future and trying to sell GA league as an equal to ECNL without stellar teams to back it up..” Have no clue who that other poster is but clearly I’m not alone in my position, as others have echoed similar opinions in the past re: the waning relevance of Tophat as a soccer club in metro Atlanta. Unlike my question re: how the 04-06 Tophat Gold teams would fare against its top ECNL counterparts at Concorde, GDA and UFA that went unanswered, I will actually address your questions. 2. TH teams struggline? When, where, how? Again, I direct you to your own words above re: 04 Gold and 07 Gold, but if you require another example,... Didn't half (5) of the 07s that left TH when DA went away try to come back to TH after one year somewhere else (Concorde Platinum)? Some made it back on top team and a couple did not but are on top ECNL teams now. Also the 09s while struggling in GA also beat the local ECNL teams GSA (3rd 10-2-2) and Concorde Platinum (4th 11-3-1) head to head (haven't played UFA). So doesn't seem like they would struggle in the local ECNL or local GA league. 2010s and 2011s while not yet GA have beaten all the local teams by a pretty substantial margin. 2008s haven't been a part of the conversation so no need to put their resume against the other Atlanta teams 2007s beat a common opponent 2007 CF Platinum lost to but no head to head 2006, 2005, and 2003/04 no head to head. 2005s at Concorde are weak and TH 2005s aren't super strong either. But to say Concorde Platinum or Premier could beat TH 05 is pretty laughable because we will never know and you are talking teams with some pretty atrocious results. Also to be fair outside of the 06 TH Gold team I am not sure the 06-03/04 CF or TH top teams have had a ton of success outside of the SE conference. Although the TH 05s did pretty well last year in the national playoffs. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 20, 2022 20:18:29 GMT -5
Maybe this website should have a permanently pinned topic thread where Tophat and CF can go to crap on each other??? I dunno, just a thought  Call it "Tophat sucks, no, Concorde Fire sucks!" It would potentially free up the people interested in the actual topic headers like... "Possible additions to SE ECNL Girls Conference" |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 21, 2022 14:26:22 GMT -5
I don't think they would ever have a single conference divided such that games were not evenly weighted across the board. They did this last year for some conferences due to the pandemic and the end result was a disaster in terms of the final standings and teams awarded playoff spots. ECNL's announcement of 5 clubs getting promoted from ECRL doesn't say anything about conference realignment. The Southeast Conference will now have 14 teams next year and the Mid-Atlantic Conference will now have 15 teams. It wouldn't make sense to send CESA and SCUFC to Southeast in terms of balancing the conferences out. www.ecnlgirls.com/2022/03/22/ecnl-girls-promotes-five-clubs-from-regional-league-to-club-competition-for-2022-23-season/And STILL no ECNL for Tophat!!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 You gotta love it!!! Thank you so much for applying logic my original post...people are so quick to accuse of conjecture, when they are mad that they just didn't know first...The ECNL map will be out shortly folks... As far as the schedule, all teams in the SE Conference will play each other once. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 21, 2022 14:32:55 GMT -5
SE ECNL Conference expanding with 4 new teams...2 from S. Carolina and 2 new Florida teams. Teams will only play each other once, not twice. Let's argue... Which clubs? Why is S. Carolina being placed into SE? Are they new clubs from S. Carolina or just the same ones (CESA and SC United) being moved from mid-Atlantic over to SE? I cannot explain the, "why," just sharing the, "what." It would be too many games to play everyone twice, so it will be one per... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 21, 2022 15:04:12 GMT -5
Which clubs? Why is S. Carolina being placed into SE? Are they new clubs from S. Carolina or just the same ones (CESA and SC United) being moved from mid-Atlantic over to SE? I cannot explain the, "why," just sharing the, "what." It would be too many games to play everyone twice, so it will be one per... Makes more sense now why AFU and UFA did the Elite 64. Fewer ECNL games. Now they add the games another way. |
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Post by coffee on Apr 21, 2022 20:49:52 GMT -5
I cannot explain the, "why," just sharing the, "what." It would be too many games to play everyone twice, so it will be one per... Makes more sense now why AFU and UFA did the Elite 64. Fewer ECNL games. Now they add the games another way. With ECNL adding more teams to the SE conference, resulting in fewer regular season games, it does start to make the Elite 64 adjunct league (if that’s what it is) more appealing. |
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Post by coffee on Apr 21, 2022 21:00:50 GMT -5
Makes more sense now why AFU and UFA did the Elite 64. Fewer ECNL games. Now they add the games another way. With ECNL adding more teams to the SE conference, resulting in fewer regular season games, it does start to make the Elite 64 adjunct league (if that’s what it is) more appealing. ……except now we may have additional league fees. Crap! |
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