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Post by soccerdad67 on May 9, 2022 7:07:31 GMT -5
If they see someone they are considering strongly they will ask the kid their name at some point if they don't know them. I would say that goes for ECNL. Not sure the ECRL coaches will do that yet as they don't know who ECNL will take. On the girls side I know of a great keeper that the coaches say they are considering. She has trained with them already. But they won't give a commitment to her until they see what happens at tryouts and they want two keepers for the top team. They have two good keepers already so they are not desperate, but I thought it was odd that they wanted to wait that long because other clubs won't. It's hard to just wait until tryouts for coaches to make decisions, that's when the bait and switch comes and you're stuck if you waited that long. Curious what year you are referring to? 09 Boys.. |
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Post by patrick on May 9, 2022 7:49:48 GMT -5
report from my kid (07G): afu ECNL concorde premier ssa almost the entire current ufa ECNL squad was there Good info! I had heard a rumor TH players were going. I wonder if the afu and cf crowd has to do with the coaching changes two years in a row. There were several Tophat kids as well. And no one was missing from the current UFA ECNL team - everyone was there. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 9, 2022 9:58:42 GMT -5
Good info! I had heard a rumor TH players were going. I wonder if the afu and cf crowd has to do with the coaching changes two years in a row. There were several Tophat kids as well. And no one was missing from the current UFA ECNL team - everyone was there. How many spots can a team headed to nationals really be looking for? Even if you had a kid that could take any of the players playing time away what does their ultimate playing time or likelihood of making the team even look like? |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 9, 2022 10:49:04 GMT -5
Good info! I had heard a rumor TH players were going. I wonder if the afu and cf crowd has to do with the coaching changes two years in a row. There were several Tophat kids as well. And no one was missing from the current UFA ECNL team - everyone was there. Also how many of those tophat players were gold players? |
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Post by soccerman on May 9, 2022 14:49:05 GMT -5
One good thing about the UFA ID camp from those not looking at ECNL was that it confirmed the ECRL coach (which I had 99% confidence that I knew already) and for those who might not make the cut they even told you who the third team coach was and confirmed that SCCL is pro/rel. So at least some additional information was also gained. Which age group? And boys or girls? |
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Post by coffee on May 9, 2022 15:36:47 GMT -5
One good thing about the UFA ID camp from those not looking at ECNL was that it confirmed the ECRL coach (which I had 99% confidence that I knew already) and for those who might not make the cut they even told you who the third team coach was and confirmed that SCCL is pro/rel. So at least some additional information was also gained. Which age group? And boys or girls? Sunday was for girls and boys. Girls at South Forsyth, and boys at Fowler park. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on May 10, 2022 1:02:00 GMT -5
How many spots can a team headed to nationals really be looking for? Even if you had a kid that could take any of the players playing time away what does their ultimate playing time or likelihood of making the team even look like? Maybe more than you think. Not necessarily to go to Nationals, but for next season. Looking back on this I do not believe I worded my comment well at all. At what point does a team no longer look for new people in hopes to build chemistry with prior year team might be a better way to put my comment? Seems like every team always has some movement. |
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Post by roki12 on May 10, 2022 9:56:04 GMT -5
Looking back on this I do not believe I worded my comment well at all. At what point does a team no longer look for new people in hopes to build chemistry with prior year team might be a better way to put my comment? Seems like every team always has some movement. I think both your comments make a lot of sense. I would think for Concorde Platinum and UFA both, very few kids could make those teams and take a lot of minutes from the players already there. Between the two teams, they made up something like 70% of the most recent US Soccer ID Center in Atlanta for the 2007 girls. I would bet the percentage of players at the ID Center that US Soccer is paying much attention to would be 95-100% kids from those two teams. Both groups are fantastic to watch. So much talent on the field when they play each other. Maybe the question is what positions are the coaches looking to fill based on that? I’m also hearing that some of the 07/08 UFA and Platinum players are trading teams with players from Platinum interested in going to UFA and vice versa. |
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Post by soccerman on May 10, 2022 14:07:17 GMT -5
Which age group? And boys or girls? Sunday was for girls and boys. Girls at South Forsyth, and boys at Fowler park. Sorry I wasn't clear 😀 who were the coaches that were announced? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 10, 2022 14:41:33 GMT -5
Sunday was for girls and boys. Girls at South Forsyth, and boys at Fowler park. Sorry I wasn't clear 😀 who were the coaches that were announced? I assume that every age group it was told the ECRL coach (because they would need to be watching at least some of the time) and possibly the 3rd team coach as well. The age group referred to in my post was 2010 girls. Nk for ECRL Alex Pama (spelling?) SCCL Champions or whatever the top level is... |
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Post by newposter on May 10, 2022 18:38:04 GMT -5
In most cases at older ages, the top players generally don't move unless the team was a dumpster fire. The truly top teams improve teams by improving players 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16. They have important minutes to play and eat up. A huge drop off can spell trouble. If you ask the players themselves, they know who the best players are.
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Post by dabe on May 10, 2022 18:44:44 GMT -5
report from my kid (07G): afu ECNL concorde premier ssa almost the entire current ufa ECNL squad was there I have never met the 07 ECNL coach personally but I like what I see from him on Twitter. He promotes his players with video clips and comments. He compliments the opponents too. He seems to make a lot of sense when speaking on topics. Seems like he is a good one. My thoughts exactly. Winning does not seem at the forefront. His players win because he develops them. |
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Post by dabe on May 10, 2022 18:48:00 GMT -5
Good info! I had heard a rumor TH players were going. I wonder if the afu and cf crowd has to do with the coaching changes two years in a row. There were several Tophat kids as well. And no one was missing from the current UFA ECNL team - everyone was there. Wasn’t sure about the current squad, good to know they were all there. |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on May 11, 2022 6:58:49 GMT -5
As ID camps are going on and anxiety in tryouts is up … was told ECNL or RL or NL is best to target for HS age for college recruiting. If your child who is Middle school age and might be on the bubble of making ECNL or RL or NL (likely not start), would you recommend staying with a state level competition team (GA/SCCL/etc) where you know they will start and be developed by a familiar coach? Also another parent told me that ECNL or RL Costs are about 10-15k per year when you factor in travel for showcases, weekend trips, friendlies, and nationals. Is that a fair cost estimate and Is anyone’s teams doing any fundraising for that or is it just expected to pay to play? I suspect it’s the latter.
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Post by bogan on May 11, 2022 7:29:42 GMT -5
As ID camps are going on and anxiety in tryouts is up … was told ECNL or RL or NL is best to target for HS age for college recruiting. If your child who is Middle school age and might be on the bubble of making ECNL or RL or NL (likely not start), would you recommend staying with a state level competition team (GA/SCCL/etc) where you know they will start and be developed by a familiar coach? Also another parent told me that ECNL or RL Costs are about 10-15k per year when you factor in travel for showcases, weekend trips, friendlies, and nationals. Is that a fair cost estimate and Is anyone’s teams doing any fundraising for that or is it just expected to pay to play? I suspect it’s the latter. There’s a lot here so let me start with “how high should they play?” My answer would be to play as high as you can where your player is getting an ample (at least a half) playing time in games. If you think your player has a high(er) ceiling than where they are currently at and they have the commitment to get better, private training/TOCA would help. Along with good nutrition, ample sleep, and soccer specific weight training. I can’t speak for the others but all in all for National League for us was probably $8to $10k all in. It sounds like less travel this year for ECNL, too. Most clubs have some scholarship money available that comes with a service component-varies by club. This is my 2 cents-I only know the boys side of things. We will probably never recover even half the money we’ve spent but it’s been (mostly) a good ride! (Scholarship). Edit: About the coaches- a good/great one can make all the difference, especially when it comes to developing players and knowing college coaches. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 11, 2022 8:31:58 GMT -5
As ID camps are going on and anxiety in tryouts is up … was told ECNL or RL or NL is best to target for HS age for college recruiting. If your child who is Middle school age and might be on the bubble of making ECNL or RL or NL (likely not start), would you recommend staying with a state level competition team (GA/SCCL/etc) where you know they will start and be developed by a familiar coach? Also another parent told me that ECNL or RL Costs are about 10-15k per year when you factor in travel for showcases, weekend trips, friendlies, and nationals. Is that a fair cost estimate and Is anyone’s teams doing any fundraising for that or is it just expected to pay to play? I suspect it’s the latter. I will give you my perspective on this from girls side but I will say gender likely does not play much of a role. The cost estimate is legit. 10k minimum if you start including gas and meals etc. ECNL/RL/NL/GA/DPL can all give you great exposure for college. (Boys side MLS next). Coach is number 1. A good coach can do wonders. A bad coach can kill the love. I have seen many kids drop out even at ECNL/GA level due to bad coaches. Even more likely at the middle school age. I have a middle school age kid rn and am going through the same issues. Unfortunately can't stay with the same coach and team due to too many leaving but if I had the option we would have stayed. Good luck. |
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Post by coffee on May 11, 2022 9:11:08 GMT -5
…Coach is number 1. A good coach can do wonders. A bad coach can kill the love. I have seen many kids drop out even at ECNL/GA level due to bad coaches. … A bad coach can have great soccer IQ, but drive players away from the club, or the sport. I’ve seen both happen. I know one girl that quit club soccer because of the coach. She still enjoys HS soccer, and is a starter for a high school team that reached one of the state championship games. |
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Post by dadofthree on May 11, 2022 9:48:08 GMT -5
…Coach is number 1. A good coach can do wonders. A bad coach can kill the love. I have seen many kids drop out even at ECNL/GA level due to bad coaches. … A bad coach can have great soccer IQ, but drive players away from the club, or the sport. I’ve seen both happen. I know one girl that quit club soccer because of the coach. She still enjoys HS soccer, and is a starter for a high school team that reached one of the state championship games. I can't agree more with this. The coach not only has to motivate the kids but also give them the solid base for their continued development. The motivate thing is the hard one because for each kid it is different. One of mine if the coach yelled (that's really her words the coaches more talked strongly) at her she would shut down. One of my other ones wants that and it motivates her to work harder. I am almost done with the club phase since it is my youngest last year but I always said if you can see you kids making progress and they want to go do extra things and go back to practice etc then they are in the right spot. |
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Post by sailingaway on May 11, 2022 10:44:33 GMT -5
As ID camps are going on and anxiety in tryouts is up … was told ECNL or RL or NL is best to target for HS age for college recruiting. If your child who is Middle school age and might be on the bubble of making ECNL or RL or NL (likely not start), would you recommend staying with a state level competition team (GA/SCCL/etc) where you know they will start and be developed by a familiar coach? Also another parent told me that ECNL or RL Costs are about 10-15k per year when you factor in travel for showcases, weekend trips, friendlies, and nationals. Is that a fair cost estimate and Is anyone’s teams doing any fundraising for that or is it just expected to pay to play? I suspect it’s the latter. IMO, If your child is currently MS age and bubble, I would play on highest state level and get as much field time, confidence, and technical training this go around. It will be fairly easy to transition to the next level up the following year without the risk of burn out by playing a higher level too early and/or possibly becoming discouraged. All this said, I would let your player know what is most important to them. Do they want to move up now out of frustration with current level? The costs for those top level teams are no joke and the training/event commitments are non-negotiable. How much of their social lives are they ready to give up? How strong are they academically to balance the extra training, travel, etc? |
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Post by mindlessphilosopher on May 11, 2022 14:20:41 GMT -5
Coach is number 1. A good coach can do wonders. A bad coach can kill the love. I have seen many kids drop out even at ECNL/GA level due to bad coaches. Even more likely at the middle school age. #2 is playing time. Too many parents (and thus players) value winning over development. Your player's development will be severely stifled if its just at practice and sitting on the bench. |
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Post by 04gparent on May 12, 2022 8:28:46 GMT -5
As ID camps are going on and anxiety in tryouts is up … was told ECNL or RL or NL is best to target for HS age for college recruiting. If your child who is Middle school age and might be on the bubble of making ECNL or RL or NL (likely not start), would you recommend staying with a state level competition team (GA/SCCL/etc) where you know they will start and be developed by a familiar coach? Also another parent told me that ECNL or RL Costs are about 10-15k per year when you factor in travel for showcases, weekend trips, friendlies, and nationals. Is that a fair cost estimate and Is anyone’s teams doing any fundraising for that or is it just expected to pay to play? I suspect it’s the latter. IMO, If your child is currently MS age and bubble, I would play on highest state level and get as much field time, confidence, and technical training this go around. It will be fairly easy to transition to the next level up the following year without the risk of burn out by playing a higher level too early and/or possibly becoming discouraged. All this said, I would let your player know what is most important to them. Do they want to move up now out of frustration with current level? The costs for those top level teams are no joke and the training/event commitments are non-negotiable. How much of their social lives are they ready to give up? How strong are they academically to balance the extra training, travel, etc? @georgiasoccermom... you are asking great questions... I would say for college exposer GA is ahead of RL... Depending on where you live you may not have access to this option, but IMO consider the GA option to be national level as well. Current players and parents of GA can confirm the college exposure if they desire. As others are saying there is no onesize fits all answer. I would say try to join the best team possible where your player can play. If you consider your child to be on the bubble I would say to bubble upwards where the fit is correct. I have seen players on top teams with no playing time and thus when it comes to showcases they dont get a chance to show their skills. I hope this helps. |
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Post by coffee on May 12, 2022 9:16:56 GMT -5
…I have seen players on top teams with no playing time and thus when it comes to showcases they dont get a chance to show their skills. I hope this helps. At a showcase everyone should get play time. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 12, 2022 9:29:33 GMT -5
…I have seen players on top teams with no playing time and thus when it comes to showcases they dont get a chance to show their skills. I hope this helps. At a showcase everyone should get play time. But then the team may not win the shiny, tin medal. what is that, they don't pass out medals at showcases? Blasphemy |
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Post by Brinker on May 13, 2022 9:50:56 GMT -5
NTH NASA ECNL and ECRL boys had big numbers for all their older age group ID camps. Very impressive drawing power.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 13, 2022 19:27:36 GMT -5
NTH NASA ECNL and ECRL boys had big numbers for all their older age group ID camps. Very impressive drawing power. I wonder how many CF boys were at that ID camp? Two days before a big NASA-CF Platinum Saturday slate? So CF parents, ask yourselves who missed practice last night? Ramifications? |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on May 13, 2022 22:35:36 GMT -5
Lots of girls all ages at the GSA ID tonight. Saw some Concorde and TH. Not in the droves though.
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Post by messindreams on May 15, 2022 14:04:03 GMT -5
Any insights on turnout at our beloved Tophat?
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