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Post by blu on May 18, 2022 15:00:29 GMT -5
You'd see the club become a shell of its former self and see GSA, Concorde and UFA benefit as they swallow up all of the best AFU players. I'd say GSA, Concorde and UFA have already swallowed up their better players if we're being honest. Most players bumped from those top teams go to AFU to stay in ECNL instead of moving down at their current clubs. |
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Post by diamondmid on May 18, 2022 18:58:42 GMT -5
I'd say GSA, Concorde and UFA have already swallowed up their better players if we're being honest. Most players bumped from those top teams go to AFU to stay in ECNL instead of moving down at their current clubs. That would be just one reason. There are other reasons to leave a club from players that aren't being bumped and have their spots. Plus, as several have said on this thread, a team's record doesn't tell the whole story. Pretty surprised so many are consumed with the wins and losses. No college coach or anyone beyond youth club cares about the team record. |
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Post by soccerdad67 on May 18, 2022 19:13:43 GMT -5
I'd say GSA, Concorde and UFA have already swallowed up their better players if we're being honest. Most players bumped from those top teams go to AFU to stay in ECNL instead of moving down at their current clubs. That would be just one reason. There are other reasons to leave a club from players that aren't being bumped and have their spots. Plus, as several have said on this thread, a team's record doesn't tell the whole story. Pretty surprised so many are consumed with the wins and losses. No college coach or anyone beyond youth club cares about the team record. Well……….a lot of the kids care. |
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Post by diamondmid on May 18, 2022 20:41:17 GMT -5
That would be just one reason. There are other reasons to leave a club from players that aren't being bumped and have their spots. Plus, as several have said on this thread, a team's record doesn't tell the whole story. Pretty surprised so many are consumed with the wins and losses. No college coach or anyone beyond youth club cares about the team record. Well……….a lot of the kids care. No doubt they do. But shouldn’t the adults help them look past immediate results for longer term goals? |
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Post by soccerdad67 on May 19, 2022 8:09:52 GMT -5
Well……….a lot of the kids care. No doubt they do. But shouldn’t the adults help them look past immediate results for longer term goals? To look at big picture? Sure. If you know the secret to teach kids the benefits of delayed gratification, let me know. Hard to do as adults. Tough and in many cases unfair to clubs that are not “performing” as well as peers. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 19, 2022 8:38:30 GMT -5
Well……….a lot of the kids care. No doubt they do. But shouldn’t the adults help them look past immediate results for longer term goals? Adults should never stop kids from caring about wanting to win. The desire to win is what pushes kids to be better and put them in a place to achieve longer term goals. Kids ought to be a little pissed when a game ends and they didn't win. They ought to care. The problem is not with kids wanting to win, it is with adults' sole focus being on winning. I will take the kid who will do whatever it takes to help a TEAM win over the kid that only cares about their long term goals and they really don't care if they win or lose. If losing doesn't hurt at least a little, they need to hang up the cleats. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on May 19, 2022 9:42:32 GMT -5
Agree with poster who said players should be mad if they lose. My kid would be ticked if they lost. Even reaching the finals of a top tournament and losing would tick him off. He didnt want the 2nd place medal. He would take it graciously but after he more times than not elude to a phrase he said on more than one occasion "second place is the first loser". He would be out using that as motivation to practice to get better for his team and for himself.
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Post by diamondmid on May 19, 2022 10:58:30 GMT -5
Think we are talking a bit past each other…
Of course competitors want to win. There’s not a thing wrong with that. I’m saying win/lose and focusing on the process/development are not mutually exclusive. Most ppl on this forum can point to the teams and or clubs that focus on winning at the sake of development (i.e. recruiting bigger, faster / boot up and run on, less technical or tactical). And there are those parents and players that just want to win - even if that means the player is a bench player… at least they are on the top, “winningest” team.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2022 13:17:09 GMT -5
Think we are talking a bit past each other… Of course competitors want to win. There’s not a thing wrong with that. I’m saying win/lose and focusing on the process/development are not mutually exclusive. Most ppl on this forum can point to the teams and or clubs that focus on winning at the sake of development (i.e. recruiting bigger, faster / boot up and run on, less technical or tactical). And there are those parents and players that just want to win - even if that means the player is a bench player… at least they are on the top, “winningest” team. Agreed. Both of my kids would rather win than develop themselves. I have told them that of course they want to win but you have to try to do more dribbling and taking people on and lose the ball over and over and over again to learn how to be successful. This is especially true in academy ages when wins and losses mean nothing. Make mistakes. Be the tiny player who has to defend against the one a head taller and 40 lbs heavier. Lose, lose, lose as long as you get better. Now you can't lose all of the time when super young or it takes the fun out but by U15 you should be focused more on the process. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on May 19, 2022 13:24:26 GMT -5
I say those teams that win have developed players regardless if they have developed them or not. Those players on the top team dont stop developing, they continue that process.
Players are always trying to get to the best places. Just read this forum to know that is true.
My kid did the same. Was best player on top 6 club team at his age group. Team results were not there. He was recruited by a top 5 club and started for them. That year 4 others moved to that club. Beautiful soccer. He made the choice, we supported him.
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Post by dadofthree on May 19, 2022 14:07:36 GMT -5
In my opinion it is when you see parents on the sideline caring more about the winning then what the team and their kids are learning is where the problem is. I want my KIDS to have the desire to win because that is what will drive them but if they win or lose it doesnt mean much to me. As an example with my 3 girls I have seen probably over a thousand games (of which we have wins at the highest levels and losses that were unimaginable) and of course I want them to win but now after the shear number of games I don't remember the game in the middle of an ecnl season where we won or not. I tell you what I do remember it is the coaches who were good and helped to develop my two older daughters who both play in college and the coaches who are helping to develop my youngest daughter. To go further I remember the grit my middle daughter had to work hard enough on her own to get a D1 scholarship and the same with my youngest one who came back from a serious illness. So for those that really think winning is the end all and be all think down the road some and try add some perspective.
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