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Post by soccer_uber_driver on May 20, 2022 7:24:01 GMT -5
We're likely not interested/competitive in ECNL/RL and need a quick primer: In brief/basic layman's terms (to the uninitiated...), summarily, what is the difference between SCCL/DPL/E64?
Thanks!
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Post by mightydawg on May 20, 2022 8:10:40 GMT -5
We're likely not interested/competitive in ECNL/RL and need a quick primer: In brief/basic layman's terms (to the uninitiated...), summarily, what is the difference between SCCL/DPL/E64? Thanks! SCCL was created by the big clubs in Atlanta to take over the scheduling and running of teams that were previously in Classic (boys) and Athena (girls). It has now gone to full promotion and relegation so the top division, SCCL Champion will have the best teams, Premier 1 the next best and so on down the line. For the larger clubs, the top team in SCCL is usually its 2 through 5 team depending on the club. DPL was created a few years ago as a new top league for girls. Then GA was developed and it became by and large a league for 2nd teams for GA clubs--similar to ECNL Regional for GA clubs. It houses some 1st teams (Roswell) of clubs trying to break into GA. E64 was created this year so no one is completely sure of what it will be or how good the competition will be. In theory, there will be 8 teams each in the Southeast and you will play each team home and away over a 10 month season--14 games in 10 months. There will also be national showcases. For the Atlanta clubs, most clubs are having their 3rd team (or in Concorde's case, its 5th team for boys) compete in E64.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 20, 2022 11:22:24 GMT -5
E64 clarification
The ten months is an open window that teams have to compete in. The purpose of having 10 months is so that teams can schedule either in fall if they have spring high school soccer or in spring if they have fall high school soccer or if clubs use E64 as a showcase league they can schedule around a supplemental league.
In Georgia every club has indicated that they will schedule league games in fall.
The E64 also includes national showcases similar to DPL
SCCL has no national league showcases
Tell us what age/gender and we can give you a pretty good idea of where you will be traveling locally, regionally or nationally in each league.
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Post by diamondmid on May 20, 2022 15:55:11 GMT -5
We're likely not interested/competitive in ECNL/RL and need a quick primer: In brief/basic layman's terms (to the uninitiated...), summarily, what is the difference between SCCL/DPL/E64? Thanks! E64 was created this year so no one is completely sure of what it will be or how good the competition will be. In theory, there will be 8 teams each in the Southeast and you will play each team home and away over a 10 month season--14 games in 10 months. There will also be national showcases. For the Atlanta clubs, most clubs are having their 3rd team (or in Concorde's case, its 5th team for boys) compete in E64. Depends on the club and sometimes location... UFA is placing E64 at Norcross and it will be an E64 team. (For pyramid purposes, UFA is considering E64 to be equal in level to ECNL/RL and above NPL (3) and SCCL (4). So it will be UFA's 2nd-ish team. Concorde will depend on age group and location... for some ages, it will be location dependent and a unique team. For most, it will be made up of their ECNL Platinum, Premier. and ECNL/RL-Platinum players - I would not say that's a 5th team. That's a 1st-3rd-ish team. And who knows what other teams are doing... a club can pool players so a team like IMG may field an MLS Next plus others team. The competition should be a pretty good level if it works out but only time will tell.
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Post by mightydawg on May 20, 2022 16:24:54 GMT -5
E64 was created this year so no one is completely sure of what it will be or how good the competition will be. In theory, there will be 8 teams each in the Southeast and you will play each team home and away over a 10 month season--14 games in 10 months. There will also be national showcases. For the Atlanta clubs, most clubs are having their 3rd team (or in Concorde's case, its 5th team for boys) compete in E64. Depends on the club and sometimes location... UFA is placing E64 at Norcross and it will be an E64 team. (For pyramid purposes, UFA is considering E64 to be equal in level to ECNL/RL and above NPL (3) and SCCL (4). So it will be UFA's 2nd-ish team. Concorde will depend on age group and location... for some ages, it will be location dependent and a unique team. For most, it will be made up of their ECNL Platinum, Premier. and ECNL/RL-Platinum players - I would not say that's a 5th team. That's a 1st-3rd-ish team. And who knows what other teams are doing... a club can pool players so a team like IMG may field an MLS Next plus others team. The competition should be a pretty good level if it works out but only time will tell. UFA can have whatever they want to in the pyramid, but look at how they are conducting tryouts. ECNL and ECNL Regional are club wide tryouts at a different time than the rest of tryouts. E64 is the tryout at Norcross, just like SCCL is the tryout at Fowler. E64 is the 1st team out of Norcross but 3rd team for the club. Also, even though Concorde initially said that it would pool players, that does not appear to be the case. Look at the tryout info. E64 teams are being assigned to specific branches for tryouts. 2010 is out of West; 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005 are out of Cobb.
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Post by soccer_uber_driver on May 20, 2022 16:37:40 GMT -5
My player is a 2010Girl keeper...
Thanks
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Post by greenmonkey on May 20, 2022 18:33:08 GMT -5
SCCL GIRLS UFA Forsyth AFU Duluth Concorde Ambush - Alpharetta GSA - Lilburn Inter Atlanta Tophat - location Rush SSA Local Tournaments and the opportunity to play in US Club Regional Tournament in the summer
DPL GIRLS Southeast Region SSA TH AFC InterAtlanta Charlotte NC Charleston SC Vestivia AL Hoover AL Triangle NC Wake NC DPL National Showcases FL and CA DPL Championship Series
E64 - 8 Teams in the SouthEast UFA Norcross AFU NCFC NC Charlotte NC BOCA FL Liverpool Academy Central FL TBA TBA (Two TBA will be SC or AL or maybe TN?) College Tournament Showcases 64 team League Championship Tournaments
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Post by greenmonkey on May 20, 2022 18:39:10 GMT -5
My player is a 2010Girl keeper... Thanks Also for what it’s worth since you have a girl goalkeeper the 2010 E64 coach at UFA Norcross has an impressive coaching resume as a former FL ODP and collegiate goalkeeper herself. Club and College Coaching experience. Scouting and College contacts for players looking for the next level.
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Post by ga3v3 on May 21, 2022 5:57:34 GMT -5
Get your kids out of youth soccer as soon as you can. It’s such a racket nowadays. No tryouts for my family this year and it’s amazing how good it feels
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Post by bogan on May 21, 2022 8:44:36 GMT -5
Get your kids out of youth soccer as soon as you can. It’s such a racket nowadays. No tryouts for my family this year and it’s amazing how good it feels 😯
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 21, 2022 9:33:05 GMT -5
Get your kids out of youth soccer as soon as you can. It’s such a racket nowadays. No tryouts for my family this year and it’s amazing how good it feels There are still places and levels to play that are not a "racket" I am glad you are happy to be out, but some people have kids that love to play. There are still places to go where they can play for the love!
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Post by redhawk on May 21, 2022 10:44:12 GMT -5
My player is a 2010Girl keeper... Thanks Also for what it’s worth since you have a girl goalkeeper the 2010 E64 coach at UFA Norcross has an impressive coaching resume as a former FL ODP and collegiate goalkeeper herself. Club and College Coaching experience. Scouting and College contacts for players looking for the next level. It looks like the same UFA-Norcross female coach has the U15’s (2008) and the U17’s (2006). Pretty cool to have a built in female goalie coach that has collegiate experience to learn from at the youth level. I have stopped by a couple of practices the last couple of weeks to check her out as an option for my kid (field player). She is taking the time during practice to show some of the goalies techniques that they seemed to not know. Not afraid to get down on the ground and get dirty. Pretty cool. I think people miss the fact that the Norcross location is less than 10 minutes South from both AFU training sites with teams just below the ECNL level. This could be a “new” option for some goalies in the North Atlanta area.
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Post by Keeper on May 22, 2022 18:07:23 GMT -5
Also for what it’s worth since you have a girl goalkeeper the 2010 E64 coach at UFA Norcross has an impressive coaching resume as a former FL ODP and collegiate goalkeeper herself. Club and College Coaching experience. Scouting and College contacts for players looking for the next level. It looks like the same UFA-Norcross female coach has the U15’s (2008) and the U17’s (2006). Pretty cool to have a built in female goalie coach that has collegiate experience to learn from at the youth level. I have stopped by a couple of practices the last couple of weeks to check her out as an option for my kid (field player). She is taking the time during practice to show some of the goalies techniques that they seemed to not know. Not afraid to get down on the ground and get dirty. Pretty cool. I think people miss the fact that the Norcross location is less than 10 minutes South from both AFU training sites with teams just below the ECNL level. This could be a “new” option for some goalies in the North Atlanta area. Kirby is a great coach but she’s a very flakey and unreliable. This what 6 clubs in 4 years for her? DDYSC, Rush, Alliance, Inter Atlanta, Ssa Northside and now Norcross. What are the odds she stays there more then a year or two?
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Post by striker4life on May 23, 2022 19:00:18 GMT -5
It looks like the same UFA-Norcross female coach has the U15’s (2008) and the U17’s (2006). Pretty cool to have a built in female goalie coach that has collegiate experience to learn from at the youth level. I have stopped by a couple of practices the last couple of weeks to check her out as an option for my kid (field player). She is taking the time during practice to show some of the goalies techniques that they seemed to not know. Not afraid to get down on the ground and get dirty. Pretty cool. I think people miss the fact that the Norcross location is less than 10 minutes South from both AFU training sites with teams just below the ECNL level. This could be a “new” option for some goalies in the North Atlanta area. Kirby is a great coach but she’s a very flakey and unreliable. This what 6 clubs in 4 years for her? DDYSC, Rush, Alliance, Inter Atlanta, Ssa Northside and now Norcross. What are the odds she stays there more then a year or two? I think you missed that Kirby was also at All-In (for maybe a month) and LSA a few years ago. Based on that alone and some other things I've heard, I wouldn't bank on her being at UFA very long. Flakey is putting it nicely.
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Post by dabe on May 23, 2022 20:45:18 GMT -5
Kirby is a great coach but she’s a very flakey and unreliable. This what 6 clubs in 4 years for her? DDYSC, Rush, Alliance, Inter Atlanta, Ssa Northside and now Norcross. What are the odds she stays there more then a year or two? I think you missed that Kirby was also at All-In (for maybe a month) and LSA a few years ago. Based on that alone and some other things I've heard, I wouldn't bank on her being at UFA very long. Flakey is putting it nicely. Both my kids played with her when she was at DDY. She is flakey and retaliatory towards players. She left on bad terms along with the head coach. It was a huge blowout with long term effects for lots of players. Maybe now that she is in a director's position and with older kids she will stay longer? One can hope. Heed this warning!
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Post by redhawk on May 24, 2022 0:06:03 GMT -5
I think you missed that Kirby was also at All-In (for maybe a month) and LSA a few years ago. Based on that alone and some other things I've heard, I wouldn't bank on her being at UFA very long. Flakey is putting it nicely. Both my kids played with her when she was at DDY. She is flakey and retaliatory towards players. She left on bad terms along with the head coach. It was a huge blowout with long term effects for lots of players. Maybe now that she is in a director's position and with older kids she will stay longer? One can hope. Heed this warning! The good thing about technology is that it allows you to go back in time and check out comments and postings from several social media sites from year’s past. From what I read, it sounds like Coach Kirby has had to deal with being a female trying to succeed in a male leadership dominated sport. Not many female coaches or directors in the ATL area in charge of girl’s programs or coaching at the top levels in the clubs. How many ECNL, ECNL-RL, GA, DPL, E64, etc. teams have female coaches in the top slot? It is sad, and I’ll bet it is less than 10% of the coaches. Worse, some of the male leaders still have no respect for women in leadership roles when they get there. Just like in the non-sports world, the average tenure in a job these days is a little over 2 years. In a lot of companies, you have to leave to move up. Sounds like there might be some good reasons for her to have switched a few times. I don’t think throwing out the different clubs without looking behind the scene is fair. Maybe with Mo Ganda at UFA Forsyth and Jennifer Kirby at UFA-Norcross, a focus on hiring and developing female leaders and coaches that can be role models for the girls going through the programs will happen. Only time will tell. I have seen first hand how male coaches struggle to understand pre-teen and teenage girls at several different clubs. Why is it okay for a male coach to be hard on girls, but a female coach that is hard on them is looked at differently? I have heard this about several female coaches in my kids age group at different clubs. I don’t know, but my wife has a better chance of motivating my kid than I do. Guess maybe it is time to search out those strong female coaches and see how she responds. Tryouts right around the corner. She needs a good, strong female role model that is going to motivate her to be the best soccer player, leader, teammate and person she can be….
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 24, 2022 10:48:41 GMT -5
With now so many leagues above it inside of us club, SCCL is now 3rd, 4th or possibly 5th teams at a club so basically equivalent of the old Athena B, it’s basically on organized step above REC.
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Post by dabe on May 24, 2022 10:52:02 GMT -5
Both my kids played with her when she was at DDY. She is flakey and retaliatory towards players. She left on bad terms along with the head coach. It was a huge blowout with long term effects for lots of players. Maybe now that she is in a director's position and with older kids she will stay longer? One can hope. Heed this warning! The good thing about technology is that it allows you to go back in time and check out comments and postings from several social media sites from year’s past. From what I read, it sounds like Coach Kirby has had to deal with being a female trying to succeed in a male leadership dominated sport. Not many female coaches or directors in the ATL area in charge of girl’s programs or coaching at the top levels in the clubs. How many ECNL, ECNL-RL, GA, DPL, E64, etc. teams have female coaches in the top slot? It is sad, and I’ll bet it is less than 10% of the coaches. Worse, some of the male leaders still have no respect for women in leadership roles when they get there. Just like in the non-sports world, the average tenure in a job these days is a little over 2 years. In a lot of companies, you have to leave to move up. Sounds like there might be some good reasons for her to have switched a few times. I don’t think throwing out the different clubs without looking behind the scene is fair. Maybe with Mo Ganda at UFA Forsyth and Jennifer Kirby at UFA-Norcross, a focus on hiring and developing female leaders and coaches that can be role models for the girls going through the programs will happen. Only time will tell. I have seen first hand how male coaches struggle to understand pre-teen and teenage girls at several different clubs. Why is it okay for a male coach to be hard on girls, but a female coach that is hard on them is looked at differently? I have heard this about several female coaches in my kids age group at different clubs. I don’t know, but my wife has a better chance of motivating my kid than I do. Guess maybe it is time to search out those strong female coaches and see how she responds. Tryouts right around the corner. She needs a good, strong female role model that is going to motivate her to be the best soccer player, leader, teammate and person she can be… Hope not to hijack this thread too much. I will say this- My kids have had 10 coaches (7 women, 3 men) over the course of their soccer lives and the only complaint they have had with a female coach has been Jen. They were the "favorites" on their teams at DDY. They were okay after practice, but other girls left crying. To this day some still post on social media about the trauma they dealt with at the club because of her and the other coach for the team. It was brutal, and I will never be able to advocate for a coach that said so many hurtful things to kids, that they are still processing it 4-5 years later. This is someone you're supposed to leave your kids with for hours at a time. Especially at the more elite levels. During the season they spend more time with their coach than they do at home. Another coach at DDY was very very tough on them. She understood that being tough also calls for gentleness and kindness. They're kids. Feelings are bound to get hurt. IMO it's okay if feelings are hurt over not getting enough playing time, or not making a team. Feelings should never be hurt because of the words of a coach or because of humiliation at the hands of a coach. With Jen specifically, she seems unaware that there is a line between being tough on players and berating them. In our experience, and from what we have heard from friends who also had her as a coach that line was crossed. For the 3 male coaches that my daughters have been with, there was one instance when the coach also crossed that line. We left. If his name ever comes up, I will give the same warning. My post is not a dig at female coaches, but rather speaking about one woman in particular. I am not trying to take away from the adversity Jen has faced. I'm sure when she is at her best she is a great coach. That does not excuse her past behavior and lack of accountability.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 24, 2022 11:00:39 GMT -5
The good thing about technology is that it allows you to go back in time and check out comments and postings from several social media sites from year’s past. From what I read, it sounds like Coach Kirby has had to deal with being a female trying to succeed in a male leadership dominated sport. Not many female coaches or directors in the ATL area in charge of girl’s programs or coaching at the top levels in the clubs. How many ECNL, ECNL-RL, GA, DPL, E64, etc. teams have female coaches in the top slot? It is sad, and I’ll bet it is less than 10% of the coaches. Worse, some of the male leaders still have no respect for women in leadership roles when they get there. Just like in the non-sports world, the average tenure in a job these days is a little over 2 years. In a lot of companies, you have to leave to move up. Sounds like there might be some good reasons for her to have switched a few times. I don’t think throwing out the different clubs without looking behind the scene is fair. Maybe with Mo Ganda at UFA Forsyth and Jennifer Kirby at UFA-Norcross, a focus on hiring and developing female leaders and coaches that can be role models for the girls going through the programs will happen. Only time will tell. I have seen first hand how male coaches struggle to understand pre-teen and teenage girls at several different clubs. Why is it okay for a male coach to be hard on girls, but a female coach that is hard on them is looked at differently? I have heard this about several female coaches in my kids age group at different clubs. I don’t know, but my wife has a better chance of motivating my kid than I do. Guess maybe it is time to search out those strong female coaches and see how she responds. Tryouts right around the corner. She needs a good, strong female role model that is going to motivate her to be the best soccer player, leader, teammate and person she can be… Hope not to hijack this thread too much. I will say this- My kids have had 10 coaches (7 women, 3 men) over the course of their soccer lives and the only complaint they have had with a female coach has been Jen. They were the "favorites" on their teams at DDY. They were okay after practice, but other girls left crying. To this day some still post on social media about the trauma they dealt with at the club because of her and the other coach for the team. It was brutal, and I will never be able to advocate for a coach that said so many hurtful things to kids, that they are still processing it 4-5 years later. This is someone you're supposed to leave your kids with for hours at a time. Especially at the more elite levels. During the season they spend more time with their coach than they do at home. Another coach at DDY was very very tough on them. She understood that being tough also calls for gentleness and kindness. They're kids. Feelings are bound to get hurt. IMO it's okay if feelings are hurt over not getting enough playing time, or not making a team. Feelings should never be hurt because of the words of a coach or because of humiliation at the hands of a coach. With Jen specifically, she seems unaware that there is a line between being tough on players and berating them. In our experience, and from what we have heard from friends who also had her as a coach that line was crossed. For the 3 male coaches that my daughters have been with, there was one instance when the coach also crossed that line. We left. If his name ever comes up, I will give the same warning. My post is not a dig at female coaches, but rather speaking about one woman in particular. I am not trying to take away from the adversity Jen has faced. I'm sure when she is at her best she is a great coach. That does not excuse her past behavior and lack of accountability. I have never encountered her as a coach for my kids though I do know her somewhat. I cannot speak to your situation with HER, but I think what you said about crossing the line and toughness but also being kind and gentle too is important. Verbal abuse by coaches is a real thing and it must be addressed to prevent harm coming to these kids. And for anyone that says this is "being soft" it really is not. This is being addressed in the workplace too. For example surgeons that abuse staff members like nurses and techs are being disciplined as well including being fired. Mental health struggles are everywhere. Don't be that person who CAUSES mental health issues for another person or worsens them. Coaches need to understand that too!
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