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Post by dc on Jun 5, 2022 11:28:06 GMT -5
I guess what surprises me is that people experience these things. All together, my kids have had about 25 years of club soccer and numerous seasons of other sports and have maybe experienced one of these things one time. What clubs are these happening at and at what level??? I suppose we've just been lucky to avoid these.
A few of them do seem avoidable with just some communication with the club or coach. My experience has been when other parents complain to me about what the club/coach has or has not done that there has not been any communication between parent/player and the club regarding the issue.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 5, 2022 12:06:51 GMT -5
I guess what surprises me is that people experience these things. All together, my kids have had about 25 years of club soccer and numerous seasons of other sports and have maybe experienced one of these things one time. What clubs are these happening at and at what level??? I suppose we've just been lucky to avoid these. A few of them do seem avoidable with just some communication with the club or coach. My experience has been when other parents complain to me about what the club/coach has or has not done that there has not been any communication between parent/player and the club regarding the issue. Clubs: UFA, Tophat and one small club Levels: top pool academy-GA, 3rd team, 2nd team as well. But I know of people that have seen these things at 4th team UFA as well. Communication only works if it is two way street and if they don't lie or promise things that don't happen.
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Post by rifle on Jun 5, 2022 12:33:03 GMT -5
I heard that some moms at a club on the north side of town are filming a show right now that has been green lit. If true, and I have no reason to doubt this is true due to the general success of the genre - it is gonna be like watching a car crash. Can’t look away. We need to start a new thread guessing the name of the show.
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Post by dabe on Jun 5, 2022 12:41:35 GMT -5
I heard that some moms at a club on the north side of town are filming a show right now that has been green lit. If true, and I have no reason to doubt this is true due to the general success of the genre - it is gonna be like watching a car crash. Can’t look away. We need to start a new thread guessing the name of the show. My girls watch dance moms. I've sat through more episodes than I would care to say and it's a train wreck. I hope their show is focused on soccer, but I know fist-fights and berating children bring in the ratings... Guessing it will be called "Soccer Moms".
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 5, 2022 12:48:02 GMT -5
I heard that some moms at a club on the north side of town are filming a show right now that has been green lit. If true, and I have no reason to doubt this is true due to the general success of the genre - it is gonna be like watching a car crash. Can’t look away. We need to start a new thread guessing the name of the show. Of all the locations, why Atlanta? I doubt we are the craziest of the bunch. Texas, Cali, New Jersey... idk. Maybe it has to do with all the studio and production companies we now have in the ATL???
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 5, 2022 13:11:57 GMT -5
I heard that some moms at a club on the north side of town are filming a show right now that has been green lit. If true, and I have no reason to doubt this is true due to the general success of the genre - it is gonna be like watching a car crash. Can’t look away. We need to start a new thread guessing the name of the show. Real SoccerMoms Gon’ Wild
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Jun 5, 2022 13:24:19 GMT -5
If true, and I have no reason to doubt this is true due to the general success of the genre - it is gonna be like watching a car crash. Can’t look away. We need to start a new thread guessing the name of the show. Of all the locations, why Atlanta? I doubt we are the craziest of the bunch. Texas, Cali, New Jersey... idk. Maybe it has to do with all the studio and production companies we now have in the ATL??? I have seen some stuff on ATL sidelines that I thought would make must see TV. The only part that surprises me is that it has taken this long.
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Post by flix on Jun 5, 2022 13:33:14 GMT -5
I don’t know who remembers “Friday Nite Tykes”, used to come on Esquire but that show was my favorite show for the first couple seasons. After it moved to Pennsylvania I lost interest. However, I was obsessed with watching 9 and 10 years olds play football for a time. I was shocked to see that those boys are seniors and some are in college now, times flies.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 6, 2022 7:45:37 GMT -5
I actually had a parent say "You're absolutely right coach, my child does need to work harder if she wants to start"
I almost fell out dead
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Post by blu on Jun 6, 2022 8:28:22 GMT -5
I actually had a parent say "You're absolutely right coach, my child does need to work harder if she wants to start" I almost fell out dead I feel like parents who have played at a higher level understand this better.
I honestly would rather my kid not play D1. I'd prefer they go D2, D3 or NAIA and play all 4 years and enjoy it.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 6, 2022 8:36:43 GMT -5
I actually had a parent say "You're absolutely right coach, my child does need to work harder if she wants to start" I almost fell out dead In order to get that response, it means that you actually had a conversation with either the player or parent that the child needed work harder. Good for you. Honestly, I think that is all anyone wants--feedback.
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 6, 2022 8:44:20 GMT -5
I actually had a parent say "You're absolutely right coach, my child does need to work harder if she wants to start" I almost fell out dead I feel like parents who have played at a higher level understand this better.
I honestly would rather my kid not play D1. I'd prefer they go D2, D3 or NAIA and play all 4 years and enjoy it.
Really? In my experience, parents who played at a high level fall into 1 of 2 buckets. They are completely hands off and keep a low profile or they are the most obnoxious. The second bucket feel like because they played at a high level, they know everything and everyone, including the coach, should listen to them. They coach from the sideline. Argue with the referees and generally feel like they are God's gift to soccer.
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Post by kickpuncher on Jun 6, 2022 15:35:09 GMT -5
It's probably far too late for anyone to pay attention to my response, but here goes...
I have played a different high level sport. My kids have and do play across a variety of other sports along with soccer, often at mid to high levels. No other sport approaches soccer when it comes to the inability to move up levels at the current club. From an early age, you are generally going to be locked into a certain box and moving upward is quite unlikely. Soccer is the only sport where the ability to move up is essentially an overlapping Venn diagram with moving onward to a different club. I've never seen coaches so entranced by the shiny new toy and immediately fixating on that player while already deciding everyone else is who they always have been. I've never quite understood that concept and the near total lack of true tryout opportunity that exists in soccer compared to other sports. It has often led me to wonder if that type of thinking is part of what is holding the men's teams back internationally and why we see so many early risers and ultimate flameouts when it comes to projection vs. ultimate outcome.
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Post by bogan on Jun 6, 2022 16:49:08 GMT -5
“ It has often led me to wonder if that type of thinking is part of what is holding the men's teams back internationally and why we see so many early risers and ultimate flameouts when it comes to projection vs. ultimate outcome.”
Yes.
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Post by rifle on Jun 6, 2022 20:42:28 GMT -5
“ It has often led me to wonder if that type of thinking is part of what is holding the men's teams back internationally and why we see so many early risers and ultimate flameouts when it comes to projection vs. ultimate outcome.” Yes. Closed leagues from youth to pro? Yes.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 6, 2022 20:53:18 GMT -5
I actually had a parent say "You're absolutely right coach, my child does need to work harder if she wants to start" I almost fell out dead In order to get that response, it means that you actually had a conversation with either the player or parent that the child needed work harder. Good for you. Honestly, I think that is all anyone wants--feedback. I have always been accessible to parents and give whatever time I can to talk/answer questions, that being said you have to establish boundaries or people will try to monopolize your time.
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Jun 6, 2022 21:30:10 GMT -5
How about this… is it normal for at club to not have provided feedback by now regarding offers on teams? One parent reached out to one of the named coaches that was at try outs… publicly named as having a team… and later emailed a response that he is not coaching that said year team but coaching an alternate team at same club. Many people here are not in this scenario because their child is in a too 1,2,3 team which get offers before or during tryouts. But I have never in my life heard of a club posting the coaches for all teams and later be told they are coaching a different team after tryouts. My experience is limited, so thought I would post here.
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Post by dabe on Jun 6, 2022 21:56:37 GMT -5
How about this… is it normal for at club to not have provided feedback by now regarding offers on teams? One parent reached out to one of the named coaches that was at try outs… publicly named as having a team… and later emailed a response that he is not coaching that said year team but coaching an alternate team at same club. Many people here are not in this scenario because their child is in a too 1,2,3 team which get offers before or during tryouts. But I have never in my life heard of a club posting the coaches for all teams and later be told they are coaching a different team after tryouts. My experience is limited, so thought I would post here. Unfortunately, iI've heard of this before. Although in my experience it is not the "norm" and should be a red flag for larger issues at the club. Lack of transparency. I don't even know how a club would go about this if the new coach was watching different kids during tryouts. Did the coaches switch within the same age group?
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Post by soccer888 on Jun 6, 2022 21:56:41 GMT -5
We've had a coach change on us twice. Not during tryout week, though, but in the summer once we committed. I'm not surprised by anything anymore. These clubs don't have kids' or customers' best interests in mind. Only their own.
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Post by rifle on Jun 7, 2022 2:57:53 GMT -5
We've had a coach change on us twice. Not during tryout week, though, but in the summer once we committed. I'm not surprised by anything anymore. These clubs don't have kids' or customers' best interests in mind. Only their own. That definitively sucks but keep in mind that coaches and directors are people too.. and club situations are fluid. Just like players, coaches sometimes seek a better situation for themselves. Or life simply changes. They may not always provide reasonable notification. Nothing is guaranteed and EVERYBODY cuts their own deal. I liken it to this analogy.. In Myrtle Beach SC there are around 90 golf courses. When a head golf pro or course superintendent leaves one - do you think they just hire somebody new and no other domino falls? Or does the entire hierarchy re-arrange constantly?
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Post by soccer888 on Jun 7, 2022 6:48:16 GMT -5
We've had a coach change on us twice. Not during tryout week, though, but in the summer once we committed. I'm not surprised by anything anymore. These clubs don't have kids' or customers' best interests in mind. Only their own. That definitively sucks but keep in mind that coaches and directors are people too.. and club situations are fluid. Just like players, coaches sometimes seek a better situation for themselves. Or life simply changes. They may not always provide reasonable notification. Nothing is guaranteed and EVERYBODY cuts their own deal. I liken it to this analogy.. In Myrtle Beach SC there are around 90 golf courses. When a head golf pro or course superintendent leaves one - do you think they just hire somebody new and no other domino falls? Or does the entire hierarchy re-arrange constantly? Oh I agree, but this wasn't that. Both times the club simply moved the coach to a "better" team within the club.
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Jun 7, 2022 7:03:44 GMT -5
How about this… is it normal for at club to not have provided feedback by now regarding offers on teams? One parent reached out to one of the named coaches that was at try outs… publicly named as having a team… and later emailed a response that he is not coaching that said year team but coaching an alternate team at same club. Many people here are not in this scenario because their child is in a too 1,2,3 team which get offers before or during tryouts. But I have never in my life heard of a club posting the coaches for all teams and later be told they are coaching a different team after tryouts. My experience is limited, so thought I would post here. Unfortunately, iI've heard of this before. Although in my experience it is not the "norm" and should be a red flag for larger issues at the club. Lack of transparency. I don't even know how a club would go about this if the new coach was watching different kids during tryouts. Did the coaches switch within the same age group? Right now there is no idea if there is a replacement coach or even a team. In my understanding no offers have gone out for this team, but the coach who was reassigned (not switched) has said “they should hear something from someone in the next few weeks”. There are soccer players who are stressing thinking they do not have a team. There appears to be some open goalie spots at other clubs so I have been passing that info along to the friend who has a goalie.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jun 7, 2022 7:20:16 GMT -5
And finally … thinking I had seen it all and knowing there is probably more out there to see LOL Still shocked that youth soccer is not a reality tv show I heard that some moms at a club on the north side of town are filming a show right now that has been green lit. what club so I know where not to show up at to referee or to watch my kid play.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jun 7, 2022 7:43:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately, iI've heard of this before. Although in my experience it is not the "norm" and should be a red flag for larger issues at the club. Lack of transparency. I don't even know how a club would go about this if the new coach was watching different kids during tryouts. Did the coaches switch within the same age group? Right now there is no idea if there is a replacement coach or even a team. In my understanding no offers have gone out for this team, but the coach who was reassigned (not switched) has said “they should hear something from someone in the next few weeks”. There are soccer players who are stressing thinking they do not have a team. There appears to be some open goalie spots at other clubs so I have been passing that info along to the friend who has a goalie. If I had a child in this situation, I'd be contacting other clubs to see if they have a spot available. Similar situation happened to us at Concorde for my oldest daughter in her very first year in Academy (U10) and frankly I should've jumped at the spot UFA Norcross had available but instead we stuck it out to stay with friends on the team. The team eventually formed but it was a disaster.
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Post by dc on Jun 7, 2022 8:10:03 GMT -5
I guess what surprises me is that people experience these things. All together, my kids have had about 25 years of club soccer and numerous seasons of other sports and have maybe experienced one of these things one time. What clubs are these happening at and at what level??? I suppose we've just been lucky to avoid these. A few of them do seem avoidable with just some communication with the club or coach. My experience has been when other parents complain to me about what the club/coach has or has not done that there has not been any communication between parent/player and the club regarding the issue. Clubs: UFA, Tophat and one small club Levels: top pool academy-GA, 3rd team, 2nd team as well. But I know of people that have seen these things at 4th team UFA as well. Communication only works if it is two way street and if they don't lie or promise things that don't happen.
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Post by dc on Jun 7, 2022 8:11:22 GMT -5
Clubs: UFA, Tophat and one small club Levels: top pool academy-GA, 3rd team, 2nd team as well. But I know of people that have seen these things at 4th team UFA as well. Communication only works if it is two way street and if they don't lie or promise things that don't happen. That's interesting to hear. We've always had great communication with Iggy and Mo at UFA.
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Post by corditedad on Jun 7, 2022 10:33:14 GMT -5
Right now there is no idea if there is a replacement coach or even a team. In my understanding no offers have gone out for this team, but the coach who was reassigned (not switched) has said “they should hear something from someone in the next few weeks”. There are soccer players who are stressing thinking they do not have a team. There appears to be some open goalie spots at other clubs so I have been passing that info along to the friend who has a goalie. If I had a child in this situation, I'd be contacting other clubs to see if they have a spot available. Similar situation happened to us at Concorde for my oldest daughter in her very first year in Academy (U10) and frankly I should've jumped at the spot UFA Norcross had available but instead we stuck it out to stay with friends on the team. The team eventually formed but it was a disaster. All those parents with kids that are early in their club soccer experience, pay attention to this response by Dunwoody Soccer Dad. If your child does not start out in the top team at Concorde (U8-U10) then take them elsewhere. 2nd/3rd team kids are just income producers for the club. At Concorde they will see coach turnover every year, will never have an actual licensed or experienced coach, and will not receive the level of development and team consistency that they need in those early years. Go to a smaller club and have them transfer to Concorde at U12-U14 level if they must. That's the age group where Concorde starts to add ECNL teams and add shiny new talent from other clubs because Concorde hasn't put the resources into developing this talent internally. We wish we had heard this advice with our first child. Fortunately, we figured it out with our 2nd two and they thrived in small clubs (pre u14) before moving to larger clubs with competitive ECNL programs. And yes, Concorde places more value on transfers than they do on talent in their own system.
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Post by rifle on Jun 7, 2022 11:02:17 GMT -5
That definitively sucks but keep in mind that coaches and directors are people too.. and club situations are fluid. Just like players, coaches sometimes seek a better situation for themselves. Or life simply changes. They may not always provide reasonable notification. Nothing is guaranteed and EVERYBODY cuts their own deal. I liken it to this analogy.. In Myrtle Beach SC there are around 90 golf courses. When a head golf pro or course superintendent leaves one - do you think they just hire somebody new and no other domino falls? Or does the entire hierarchy re-arrange constantly? Oh I agree, but this wasn't that. Both times the club simply moved the coach to a "better" team within the club. Thats awful. Having no definite team is the kind of thing that makes kids quit the game. Name the club!!
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 7, 2022 11:08:05 GMT -5
If I had a child in this situation, I'd be contacting other clubs to see if they have a spot available. Similar situation happened to us at Concorde for my oldest daughter in her very first year in Academy (U10) and frankly I should've jumped at the spot UFA Norcross had available but instead we stuck it out to stay with friends on the team. The team eventually formed but it was a disaster. All those parents with kids that are early in their club soccer experience, pay attention to this response by Dunwoody Soccer Dad. If your child does not start out in the top team at Concorde (U8-U10) then take them elsewhere. 2nd/3rd team kids are just income producers for the club. At Concorde they will see coach turnover every year, will never have an actual licensed or experienced coach, and will not receive the level of development and team consistency that they need in those early years. Go to a smaller club and have them transfer to Concorde at U12-U14 level if they must. That's the age group where Concorde starts to add ECNL teams and add shiny new talent from other clubs because Concorde hasn't put the resources into developing this talent internally. We wish we had heard this advice with our first child. Fortunately, we figured it out with our 2nd two and they thrived in small clubs (pre u14) before moving to larger clubs with competitive ECNL programs. And yes, Concorde places more value on transfers than they do on talent in their own system. That is not entirely accurate and is not limited to Concorde. The key is to find good coaches that care about developing players. Dunwoody Soccer Dad's situation is entirely different than what you described. His daughter joined at U10 and they did not have enough players to make a team. Instead of telling the girls there was no spot for them, they formed a team with 7-8 players. The team constantly needed players to be able to play a game and constantly had players rotating in to play with them. The coach was not very good. It is very easy to get pigeonholed at any club. Once you are on the first team, someone has to be clearly better than you to move you down. Likewise, if you are on the 2nd or 3rd team, you have to be clearly better to move up. Oftentimes, the easiest way to move up is to move clubs so that you get a fresh look. However, every club asks on your registration paperwork what team you were on before so it is not an entirely fresh start. Coaches are still aware of the level that you played previously. At the younger ages, they look past it more than at the upper ages. There are some coaches at Concorde, as there are anywhere, that will not look to lower teams to fill spots. There are other coaches that listen to the coaches below and will elevate players that deserve to be elevated. From my son's U8 3rd team at Concorde, over half played ECNL. From my son's U10 team 3rd team, one third are playing ECNL. Those kids worked their butts off to move up but they moved up.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jun 7, 2022 12:02:54 GMT -5
All those parents with kids that are early in their club soccer experience, pay attention to this response by Dunwoody Soccer Dad. If your child does not start out in the top team at Concorde (U8-U10) then take them elsewhere. 2nd/3rd team kids are just income producers for the club. At Concorde they will see coach turnover every year, will never have an actual licensed or experienced coach, and will not receive the level of development and team consistency that they need in those early years. Go to a smaller club and have them transfer to Concorde at U12-U14 level if they must. That's the age group where Concorde starts to add ECNL teams and add shiny new talent from other clubs because Concorde hasn't put the resources into developing this talent internally. We wish we had heard this advice with our first child. Fortunately, we figured it out with our 2nd two and they thrived in small clubs (pre u14) before moving to larger clubs with competitive ECNL programs. And yes, Concorde places more value on transfers than they do on talent in their own system. That is not entirely accurate and is not limited to Concorde. The key is to find good coaches that care about developing players. Dunwoody Soccer Dad's situation is entirely different than what you described. His daughter joined at U10 and they did not have enough players to make a team. Instead of telling the girls there was no spot for them, they formed a team with 7-8 players. The team constantly needed players to be able to play a game and constantly had players rotating in to play with them. The coach was not very good. It is very easy to get pigeonholed at any club. Once you are on the first team, someone has to be clearly better than you to move you down. Likewise, if you are on the 2nd or 3rd team, you have to be clearly better to move up. Oftentimes, the easiest way to move up is to move clubs so that you get a fresh look. However, every club asks on your registration paperwork what team you were on before so it is not an entirely fresh start. Coaches are still aware of the level that you played previously. At the younger ages, they look past it more than at the upper ages. There are some coaches at Concorde, as there are anywhere, that will not look to lower teams to fill spots. There are other coaches that listen to the coaches below and will elevate players that deserve to be elevated. From my son's U8 3rd team at Concorde, over half played ECNL. From my son's U10 team 3rd team, one third are playing ECNL. Those kids worked their butts off to move up but they moved up. Correct - that's what happened and wish I'd made a different choice in retrospect, however, I learned a lot through that experience and we made a lot of good friends there. Silver lining in everything.
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