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Post by rifle on Jul 25, 2022 5:53:49 GMT -5
Lost 2-0
I only watched the first twenty minutes then fell asleep. AU looked nervous under pressure playing from the back, then gave up a poor goal at 7’ after a sketchy passed ball from the GK (Rios). They also appeared to need to rush forward immediately anytime they gained possession - with no organization at all.
Anybody else watch the game? I do see in the box score that Josef got to play the whole second half. Apparently he’d been benched. Six yellow cards in the game.
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 25, 2022 7:29:32 GMT -5
Atlanta played as you described for the entire first half. Looked much better in the second half and had some opportunities to tie the game. Gave up some chances chasing the game including the second goal at end of stoppage time.
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Post by newposter on Jul 25, 2022 7:58:08 GMT -5
They looked lost in the first half and played very uninspired. Not sure how the defense in the back continues to get minutes. Wasnt good enough soccer to warrant staying up for the second half.
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2022 8:06:04 GMT -5
Time to clean house?
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 25, 2022 8:51:17 GMT -5
What is happening now is not working from the bottom academy to the top team and everything in between. Results indicate that for sure. Bringing in high priced transfer individuals does not make a team.
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Post by rifle on Jul 25, 2022 11:45:06 GMT -5
As much as I dislike closed league soccer, MLS will definitely punish a team that doesn’t have its crap together. Boca has to be getting nervous.
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2022 13:07:40 GMT -5
Maybe a group of young but unproven players needs a proven coach? One that is familiar with their brand of soccer?
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 25, 2022 13:35:51 GMT -5
Maybe a group of young but unproven players needs a proven coach? One that is familiar with their brand of soccer? You mean like Frank de Boer (although he did win US Open Cup and Campeones Cup) or maybe Gabriel Heinze. Other than Martino, Rob Valentino had the best record at 4-2-2. Hard to believe that we are on our 4th head coach with two interims when the club has only been in existence since 2017. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2022 16:33:07 GMT -5
Maybe a group of young but unproven players needs a proven coach? One that is familiar with their brand of soccer? You mean like Frank de Boer (although he did win US Open Cup and Campeones Cup) or maybe Gabriel Heinze. Other than Martino, Rob Valentino had the best record at 4-2-2. Hard to believe that we are on our 4th head coach with two interims when the club has only been in existence since 2017. What’s the solution, then? |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 19:30:17 GMT -5
You mean like Frank de Boer (although he did win US Open Cup and Campeones Cup) or maybe Gabriel Heinze. Other than Martino, Rob Valentino had the best record at 4-2-2. Hard to believe that we are on our 4th head coach with two interims when the club has only been in existence since 2017. What’s the solution, then? New Technical Director and hire new Coach with a proven record at Tata's level or better. Spending more money in the MLS year after year and having these results and performance I would be going nuts if I was AB. Mistakes repeating themselves over and over become more than just mistakes. Some players just do not belong while a few others do not justify their salaries. Once again the team looked unprepared for a match, and had a very poor start digging themselves a hole (again). I do not understand the blackout in the first20' becoming a pattern (see Orlando, Austin etc), the formation, and why Almada and Josef do not start. This team has some very good and expensive players (but not too many) getting wasted and looking like being asked to do too much on their own. At the end of the day though it's not the player's fault but those above them... I miss 2017 and 2018 terribly. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 25, 2022 19:43:48 GMT -5
Here are our designed players. Lately, either we are doing a terrible job of selecting DPs or a terrible job of using DPs. Being that we are in coach 6, I tend to lean toward the former.
Player Years as DP
Héctor Villalba 2017
Miguel Almirón 2017–2018
Josef Martínez 2017–
Esequiel Barco 2018–2021
Pity Martínez 2019–2020
Marcelino Moreno 2020
Alan Franco 2021
Luiz Araújo 2021–
Thiago Almada 2022
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 25, 2022 20:53:56 GMT -5
Not sure what the solution is...
However, when you pay $11.5 million for the wages of Martinez, Arujo, Almada, and 50% of Barco. Then, invest little more than $2.5 million in your team's four primary defenders, Gutman, Lennon, Hernandez, and Robinson, even if the majority of them are hurt. You're left with the inexperienced DeJohn, Campbell, Ambrose, and Wiley, who make a combined $333,000 per year. But I understand why our defense is bad; what I don't get is why so many highly paid offensively oriented guys are doing absolutely nothing. That's half the team salary, at $460k, Moreno is starting to look like a bargain deal...
p.s. Our front 3 + Barco, make almost as much as the entire Philly Union team, who currently lead the eastern conference.
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 21:02:48 GMT -5
Not sure what the solution is... However, when you pay $11.5 million for the wages of Martinez, Arujo, Almada, and 50% of Barco. Then, invest little more than $2.5 million in your team's four primary defenders, Gutman, Lennon, Hernandez, and Robinson, even if the majority of them are hurt. You're left with the inexperienced DeJohn, Campbell, Ambrose, and Wiley, who make a combined $333,000 per year. But I understand why our defense is bad; what I don't get is why so many highly paid offensively oriented guys are doing absolutely nothing. That's half the team salary, at $460k, Moreno is starting to look like a bargain deal… Coaching has something to do with it. Araujo and Almada are vey good players if used correctly and get surrounded by a better supporting cast. Moreno holds the ball too long at the wrong time and slows everything down when we need the opposite. Other times he's great. Franco is not good enough to be a DP. And the solution really is not spending more money, but making better choices on whom you bring in! Money is NOT the issue. Plus you have to have a coach that top level players want to come in and play for. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 21:05:37 GMT -5
Here are our designed players. Lately, either we are doing a terrible job of selecting DPs or a terrible job of using DPs. Being that we are in coach 6, I tend to lean toward the former. Player Years as DP Héctor Villalba 2017 Miguel Almirón 2017–2018 Josef Martínez 2017– Esequiel Barco 2018–2021 Pity Martínez 2019–2020 Marcelino Moreno 2020 Alan Franco 2021 Luiz Araújo 2021– Thiago Almada 2022 Build a team by focusing a heck lot more on player #5-14 not just the top 3. This is football today. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 21:12:13 GMT -5
As much as I dislike closed league soccer, MLS will definitely punish a team that doesn’t have its crap together. Boca has to be getting nervous. He's very lucky AB rarely fires people. |
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2022 21:12:14 GMT -5
Here are our designed players. Lately, either we are doing a terrible job of selecting DPs or a terrible job of using DPs. Being that we are in coach 6, I tend to lean toward the former. Player Years as DP Héctor Villalba 2017 Miguel Almirón 2017–2018 Josef Martínez 2017– Esequiel Barco 2018–2021 Pity Martínez 2019–2020 Marcelino Moreno 2020 Alan Franco 2021 Luiz Araújo 2021– Thiago Almada 2022 You make a valid argument-I tend to believe we are selecting the wrong players and the wrong coaches…or the the wrong players for the wrong coaches. Injuries don’t help. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 21:16:01 GMT -5
Here are our designed players. Lately, either we are doing a terrible job of selecting DPs or a terrible job of using DPs. Being that we are in coach 6, I tend to lean toward the former. Player Years as DP Héctor Villalba 2017 Miguel Almirón 2017–2018 Josef Martínez 2017– Esequiel Barco 2018–2021 Pity Martínez 2019–2020 Marcelino Moreno 2020 Alan Franco 2021 Luiz Araújo 2021– Thiago Almada 2022 You make a valid argument-I tend to believe we are selecting the wrong players and the wrong coaches. Injuries don’t help. Ask yourselves who's ego drove Tata away, and who made bad decisions after another and another once Tata left. Also Tata was the one who brought Miggy and Josef in and had the most say in building that team. |
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