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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 8, 2022 10:29:35 GMT -5
Just a reminder to parents, referees, players, etc.... hydrate 24-48 hours before being out in this heat. I did so last week in preparation for the Nike Cup tournament and still was pretty exhausted and couldn't keep enough fluids in me no matter how hard I tried. There was one center referee that collapsed late Sunday at McCurry and had to have the paramedics come. I assume it was from heat exhaustion. I don't know his condition right now. I am hoping he is doing better.
Know your limits, don't take more games than you can physically handle. As a player, don't ignore warning signs of heat exhaustion. Ask to come out if you need to. Hopefully these wet bulb temps of 100-115 degrees breaks soon.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 8, 2022 11:01:33 GMT -5
Completely agree. We had some players struggling at the end of the day Sunday. Glad to see our players recognize their symptoms. It is a tragedy that anyone dies from a preventable issue like this. (Not always preventable for the elderly living without A/C, but always preventable for athletes, coaches, refs and spectators. As spectators we went through 12 20oz Gatorades and 4 12 Oz body armors and our first game was not very hot...just humid. Our 1.5 year old Lab went through 6 20 Oz waters. We couldn't leave her home since we were gone from before 6 am until after 6 pm.
It was a brutal day out there. I am sure next weekend will be just as bad.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 8, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired...
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Post by bolo on Aug 8, 2022 12:53:40 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired... "Fall" sports do typically begin in August, or even late July, you're right about that. Since you think that's bananas, when would you propose they start? Keeping in mind that you only have a finite amount of time to get a season in & completed before the next sports season starts. Look, we're in the South, it's going to be hot for a lot of the year. The hottest part of this summer so far was back in mid-to-late June, when we were in the mid-to-high 90's, even touching 100, for a few weeks. I remember late May tournaments in past years where temps were in the 90's (UFA on the Fowler turf 4 years ago was brutal). So I don't know what your suggestion is other than to turn soccer into an October-to-April sport, maybe? Does that go for all other sports as well?
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Post by Keeper on Aug 8, 2022 13:16:49 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired... I’ve said before, we need to push back to the actual seasons. Fall sports start in Sept and wrap up in Dec/Jan. I’d rather play “southern cold” game in December & January over what we through past weekend and the next few weekends. . Spring games should go to June or at least the beginning of Summer in late June. August always be an off season month.
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Post by bolo on Aug 8, 2022 13:38:48 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired... I’ve said before, we need to push back to the actual seasons. Fall sports start in Sept and wrap up in Dec/Jan. I’d rather play “southern cold” game in December & January over what we through past weekend and the next few weekends. . Spring games should go to June or at least the beginning of Summer in late June. August always be an off season month. That's all a lot easier said than done. Ideally sports seasons line up pretty closely with school calendars to maximize player and family availability. For better or worse- and I know there's a loud contingent that thinks school in the South should be like it is up North, starting after Labor Day and ending in mid-June- most schools in the South start in early-to-mid August and end in late May. So lining the sports calendars up with that makes too much sense logistically to change. Like I said, it was hotter in June than it was in July or has been so far in August this year, so if the spring season ran through June- with tryouts to follow, I guess?- you'd be complaining that it was too hot to be playing then. Also, keep in mind that not everyone who has kids that play soccer wants their lives to revolve around youth soccer. When school is out- again, from late May to early/mid August in the South- people want to take vacations, send their kids to camp, etc. They don't want to be chained to a soccer field because the season hasn't ended and tryouts haven't happened yet. You already hear about some people that miss tryouts now because they happen, especially for the older ages, after school has already let out and vacations have started. You all can yell until you're hoarse that we should just change the school calendar then, but again, we've been going in the opposite direction with that for the past 30 years or so- it's not happening. Just move back up North if it's that important to you!
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 8, 2022 13:48:11 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired... Concorde did not have an ice bath or an availability of ice at McCurry South. I bet it was similar at all their venues. For an organization as big and taking in as much money as they do, they really do the minimum for referees, teams, trainers, etc... at these venues. No extra water for referees that I saw, no fruit or snacks etc.... Every other tournament does this for their referees especially, not Concorde. From what I saw the referee in question the parents brought down like 4 Ryobi fans for him and some parents had ice in their cooler to help. It's sad they had to depend on parents rather than the Tournament club to provide stuff to potentially save this Referee's life. Ok off of my soap box now.
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Post by dc on Aug 8, 2022 13:50:03 GMT -5
Hydration or cooling the body after the onset of heat exhaustion itself is not enough. Players and referees need to acclimate to the heat for a minimum of 1-2 weeks by gradually increasing the duration and work load. The body will acclimatize only to the level of stress put upon it. Just spending time out in the heat will only acclimatize your body to being in the heat, not exercising in it.
All players should have an acclimatize plan prior to attending late-Summer team camps or regular practices. Referees should do the same prior to working early season tournaments.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 8, 2022 16:08:30 GMT -5
I'm thinking it would help players a lot if they actually went out in the summer heat for some fitness training between tryouts & early season tournaments. I'm not saying every day, and I'm not saying a 10 minute jog at 9am. Go out maybe 3 days a week for 40-60 minutes a day and actually work out. It will definitely help keep your body acclimated to the heat.
I know on our team we could definitely tell who did fitness training over the summer and who did not.
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Aug 8, 2022 18:04:49 GMT -5
The “Liquid IV” was really good for my family when practicing and playing soccer & other sports this summer.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 8, 2022 18:37:08 GMT -5
Just a reminder to parents, referees, players, etc.... hydrate 24-48 hours before being out in this heat. I did so last week in preparation for the Nike Cup tournament and still was pretty exhausted and couldn't keep enough fluids in me no matter how hard I tried. There was one center referee that collapsed late Sunday at McCurry and had to have the paramedics come. I assume it was from heat exhaustion. I don't know his condition right now. I am hoping he is doing better. Know your limits, don't take more games than you can physically handle. As a player, don't ignore warning signs of heat exhaustion. Ask to come out if you need to. Hopefully these wet bulb temps of 100-115 degrees breaks soon. Know your limits, don't take more games than you can physically handle. As a player, don't ignore warning signs of heat exhaustion. Ask to come out if you need to. Hopefully these wet bulb temps of 100-115 degrees breaks soon.
Good luck with that. There are more games than referees and assignors show no mercy. If you're wondering why the refs in your afternoon game aren't running and don't care, it's because they're just trying to stay alive. Can't tell you how many times I've requested a 3 game set and been assigned 6. Um no, it's 90 in August, 3 is plenty. No referee, I don't care how physically and mentally fit you are, is worth a damn in game 4 and beyond for a day. In tournaments, you're starting day 2 at a deficit. It's a recipe for player injury, IMO.
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 8, 2022 18:53:59 GMT -5
My daughter does pretty good with drinking fluids with electrolytes throughout the week. She reffed 5 games back to back at the Nike tournament this weekend.
She had an umbrella chair that ended up getting overtaken by ants. Her cooler was loaded with fruit, other snacks along with 2 bottles of water, one large Body Armor water and a canister of fruit juice. I also brought her an large Body Armor orange mango before her last game.
She drank all of the drinks she had ya'll! She was out there 1230pm to 830pm. Long day cut short by thunderstorms...
PS. She had an ice pack in the cooler too just in case she needed something to cool her down
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 8, 2022 19:43:25 GMT -5
Saturday was bad enough, Sunday just felt brutal and most of us were just sitting or standing on the sidelines and could at least try to hide from the sun(I failed miserably at that according to my skin). I've been seeing more of those hybrid fans out there, which is a great idea even if it's just blowing the hot air around(maybe with some ice in front to kick up some colder air). Major props to all the players and refs who were out there battling, it definitely was not easy on anyone.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 8, 2022 20:52:38 GMT -5
Youth sports begin the season in the hottest month of the year, and I think that is just bananas, especially after a lazy summer. It's particularly scarier because most training grounds lack ice. You can halt disaster in its tracks by placing ice behind a dehydrated person's neck, between their armpits, or between their legs. This should keep them alive until the paramedics arrive, preventing a tragedy even though an ice bath is desired... "Fall" sports do typically begin in August, or even late July, you're right about that. Since you think that's bananas, when would you propose they start? Keeping in mind that you only have a finite amount of time to get a season in & completed before the next sports season starts. Look, we're in the South, it's going to be hot for a lot of the year. The hottest part of this summer so far was back in mid-to-late June, when we were in the mid-to-high 90's, even touching 100, for a few weeks. I remember late May tournaments in past years where temps were in the 90's (UFA on the Fowler turf 4 years ago was brutal). So I don't know what your suggestion is other than to turn soccer into an October-to-April sport, maybe? Does that go for all other sports as well? While I think sports for children, should begin in September, I realize that is an ardent wish that is not practical. I am just honestly suggesting we get these clubs and parents to protect our kids from a fate that is truly preventable. Much like the whole concussion issue, I am trying to educate and inform. Here is the story that clued me in on the dangers of heat stroke, et.al. www.news4jax.com/health/2018/08/02/her-son-died-from-heat-stroke-she-wants-to-protect-other-child-athletes/
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 8, 2022 21:21:07 GMT -5
"Fall" sports do typically begin in August, or even late July, you're right about that. Since you think that's bananas, when would you propose they start? Keeping in mind that you only have a finite amount of time to get a season in & completed before the next sports season starts. Look, we're in the South, it's going to be hot for a lot of the year. The hottest part of this summer so far was back in mid-to-late June, when we were in the mid-to-high 90's, even touching 100, for a few weeks. I remember late May tournaments in past years where temps were in the 90's (UFA on the Fowler turf 4 years ago was brutal). So I don't know what your suggestion is other than to turn soccer into an October-to-April sport, maybe? Does that go for all other sports as well? While I think sports for children, should begin in September, I realize that is an ardent wish that is not practical. I am just honestly suggesting we get these clubs and parents to protect our kids from a fate that is truly preventable. Much like the whole concussion issue, I am trying to educate and inform. Here is the story that clued me in on the dangers of heat stroke, et.al. www.news4jax.com/health/2018/08/02/her-son-died-from-heat-stroke-she-wants-to-protect-other-child-athletes/This is information that is pounded into sports docs, ATC's and in our area the coaches of football and other fall and spring sports. Football is the biggest risk because it has helmets and pads and a lot of overweight and obese kids. The internally applied time constraints make it hard to have the coaches as the sole people responsible for acclimation. I think the parents need to be educated. Maybe when we sign those concussion waivers and info sheets they should provide heat illness information too.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 9, 2022 7:14:10 GMT -5
Just a reminder to parents, referees, players, etc.... hydrate 24-48 hours before being out in this heat. I did so last week in preparation for the Nike Cup tournament and still was pretty exhausted and couldn't keep enough fluids in me no matter how hard I tried. There was one center referee that collapsed late Sunday at McCurry and had to have the paramedics come. I assume it was from heat exhaustion. I don't know his condition right now. I am hoping he is doing better. Know your limits, don't take more games than you can physically handle. As a player, don't ignore warning signs of heat exhaustion. Ask to come out if you need to. Hopefully these wet bulb temps of 100-115 degrees breaks soon. Know your limits, don't take more games than you can physically handle. As a player, don't ignore warning signs of heat exhaustion. Ask to come out if you need to. Hopefully these wet bulb temps of 100-115 degrees breaks soon.
Good luck with that. There are more games than referees and assignors show no mercy. If you're wondering why the refs in your afternoon game aren't running and don't care, it's because they're just trying to stay alive. Can't tell you how many times I've requested a 3 game set and been assigned 6. Um no, it's 90 in August, 3 is plenty. No referee, I don't care how physically and mentally fit you are, is worth a damn in game 4 and beyond for a day. In tournaments, you're starting day 2 at a deficit. It's a recipe for player injury, IMO. I asked for a cap on games assigned and got that request. We as referees just need to know when to say no and turn down stuff. Assignors are indeed going to over-assign if you do not give them limits. I realized for the heat my cap was still too high in number of games, but I made it through. Yes the last couple of games each day I wasn't 100%, but I felt like I stayed close enough to the play to see anything and call anything to prevent potential player injury. Honestly most of my games were not bad at all as far as fouls go. Very high level of play. Only bad fouls were accidental in younger 11v11 games (U13/U14). The older kids behaved for the most part, which is an anomaly to be honest. I would say for now my rule of thumb is going to be if I take 5 games on a Saturday in this heat especially if they are all 11v11 or higher aged games, then I need to only request 2-3 the next day. Now fall/spring temps and winter is a different animal. I can easily do 6 (or possibly more if they are 9v9 or less) a day with no issues. I would rather it be 40 degrees refereeing then 90+ with 80% humidity.
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Post by baller84 on Aug 9, 2022 22:44:48 GMT -5
Soccer is a year-round sport globally. Kids play every day. Players need to take a break for at least one month in the summer and a shorter break in winter. If they start preseason in August they should have July off. Hydration is a no-brainer but many kids still don't take enough fluids. The bigger problem is the brutal times they play tournaments and being in the sun for over three hours each day on back-to-back days. For a humid summer like in Hotlanta preseason early morning training work best, late afternoons or evenings work are ok if mornings are not an option, should stay out of the sun between noon and 6. In drier hot summers (Arizona) should stay out of the sun between 10 am and 5 pm.
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Post by rifle on Aug 10, 2022 4:51:01 GMT -5
Soccer is a year-round sport globally. Kids play every day. Players need to take a break for at least one month in the summer and a shorter break in winter. If they start preseason in August they should have July off. Hydration is a no-brainer but many kids still don't take enough fluids. The bigger problem is the brutal times they play tournaments and being in the sun for over three hours each day on back-to-back days. For a humid summer like in Hotlanta preseason early morning training work best, late afternoons or evenings work are ok if mornings are not an option, should stay out of the sun between noon and 6. In drier hot summers (Arizona) should stay out of the sun between 10 am and 5 pm. And artificial turf amplifies the danger.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 10, 2022 9:31:18 GMT -5
Soccer is a year-round sport globally. Kids play every day. Players need to take a break for at least one month in the summer and a shorter break in winter. If they start preseason in August they should have July off. Hydration is a no-brainer but many kids still don't take enough fluids. The bigger problem is the brutal times they play tournaments and being in the sun for over three hours each day on back-to-back days. For a humid summer like in Hotlanta preseason early morning training work best, late afternoons or evenings work are ok if mornings are not an option, should stay out of the sun between noon and 6. In drier hot summers (Arizona) should stay out of the sun between 10 am and 5 pm. And artificial turf amplifies the danger. I won't take referee assignments for any turf venue during the hotter months (May,August, some of September) I just refuse to work on that stuff as a referee when its this hot.
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Post by soccermom667 on Aug 10, 2022 21:27:14 GMT -5
My son's team was one of the teams playing when the AR collapsed at that game. Luckily we have a doctor and a nurse as parents on the team, and they both rushed to help, so it wasn't just any parents but ones who are trained to deal with medical emergencies. The athletic trainer on site also assisted--he did have a big cooler of ice at the beginning of the day but said he had treated a lot of heat issues throughout the day and didn't have much left. The ref said it was his 6th game of the day, and kickoff time was 6:00pm. He had been there since the 8am game out in the heat, was definitely dehydrated and suffering from the heat. It was brutal out there. Good reminders to be aware of the symptoms and to make sure you are hydrated. One of the parents did hear that the referee was fine once they got him cooled down and hydrated.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 11, 2022 7:07:58 GMT -5
My son's team was one of the teams playing when the AR collapsed at that game. Luckily we have a doctor and a nurse as parents on the team, and they both rushed to help, so it wasn't just any parents but ones who are trained to deal with medical emergencies. The athletic trainer on site also assisted--he did have a big cooler of ice at the beginning of the day but said he had treated a lot of heat issues throughout the day and didn't have much left. The ref said it was his 6th game of the day, and kickoff time was 6:00pm. He had been there since the 8am game out in the heat, was definitely dehydrated and suffering from the heat. It was brutal out there. Good reminders to be aware of the symptoms and to make sure you are hydrated. One of the parents did hear that the referee was fine once they got him cooled down and hydrated. Good to know he was doing ok. The trainer Saturday said he didn't have that stuff. I guess they got it for him for Sunday. Thank goodness they did, but it sounds like he went through it all. Tournament venue person should have had someone go get more ice when he ran out. That's the issue with Saturday/Sunday for referees. I hydrated a full 24-48 hours before the tournament drinking mostly water and the occasional Gatorade, but there is no way to really sufficiently rehydrate with that little time between Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure the guy was fine Saturday doing 6 games, but Sunday is what messed him up. I won't take 6 games a day in hot tournaments like this unless they are small sided games which I don't do often.
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