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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 14, 2022 19:23:39 GMT -5
Anyone watching. Brutal.
Not impressed with keeper obviously.
And Moultrie is overrated.
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Post by rudy on Aug 14, 2022 19:24:10 GMT -5
Just wow! If this is our future, our top of the world play status is definitely in jepardy. 60 minutes in and down 3-0.
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Post by dabe on Aug 14, 2022 21:00:32 GMT -5
Someone said it. I've always felt bad critiquing Moultrie because she is so young. She is very talented and I'm impressed by her ability to hold her own in the NWSL but sadly those skills don't always transfer to the international level. Hopefully this is a wakeup call for the team.
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Post by baller84 on Aug 14, 2022 23:23:23 GMT -5
Brace. We saw the quality in the Women's Euro, TV coverage, and the attendance. The writing is on the wall and has been. Yet it feels like things have to get much worse in this country for the powers that be to stop being in denial about the direction we've been headed.
This is not about the 0-3 result. It was a closer game. If one focuses on the lineup coach's choices and experimentation which might be valid, the bigger picture will be missed. It's about the noticeably growing gap in skills, the player decision-making, and playing experience. Holland was better but not that impressive imo, just effective. They were good enough to take advantage of key errors, smart enough to easily defend their lead and grow it against an opponent that was progressively looking worse.
We have good female athletes, talented, who work hard -always did- but not good enough footballers to keep up with the immense global growth in the Women's game.
As women's football becomes more socially accepted all over the World, the competition will grow exponentially to the point it will start to look more like the competition the USMNT has been facing all along …
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Post by datrain on Aug 15, 2022 6:53:06 GMT -5
Really have to question not starting your most dangerous player in Michelle Cooper…by far, the best offensive player on this team. That decision was moronic
As for the goalie…her positioning is awful. She sets way too far off her line and that positioning or lack thereof resulted in 2 goals.
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Post by datrain on Aug 15, 2022 7:00:17 GMT -5
Have to go back to Mia Justus in net. Just a superior player. She has proven herself to be a star at the collegiate level.
Just hubris to roll out a lineup like that in a World Cup game
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Post by datrain on Aug 15, 2022 7:30:57 GMT -5
Take a breath
For whatever reason we started an alternative lineup, benching our best goalie and best offensive player
We surrendered a PK…the other two goals are saved if Justus is starting in goal
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 15, 2022 7:39:41 GMT -5
Back to Moultrie -- you can tell she has confidence and soccer IQ -- she always plays simple and plays the way she is facing, and opens up when necessary.
To start the 2nd half she clearly was off her game, a few really heavy touches, didn't settle the ball, and then had a decent chance on goal and couldn't make solid contact with ball.
The announcers weren't great for the game, felt like they were sitting at a bar having a conversation and every now and then you would get comments about the game, but one was questioning the lineup from the start.
First goal should have been saved for sure, 2nd one (or which ever was the chip from 30 yards out), was a tough one. Keeper got off her line, and probably should have had better positioning, but got caught. not her best performance for sure.
Would be interested in folks opinions on #5 - Lilly Reale. She didn't impress me either. Looked very slow as the game went on, and seemed to refused to go short and forced a lot of balls.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Aug 15, 2022 9:07:17 GMT -5
I think the rest of the world is just catching up to the US
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Post by atlutd17 on Aug 15, 2022 9:33:15 GMT -5
I think the rest of the world is just catching up to the US Exactly right. We can criticize coaching decisions or individual player mistakes and for good reason all day, but how many paid attention to the actual flow of the game? How many watched any other U20 games last weekend, or the Women's Euro last month? Reality is more nations have been catching up to us while few of them are beginning to surpass us. The sooner we realize it and change course the better. |
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Post by mamadona on Aug 15, 2022 11:34:13 GMT -5
So why is the US falling behind?
I played soccer in Europe growing up and I don’t remember coaches putting so much emphasis on being aggressive, effort, being physical, etc. But I’ve learned through my daughter’s experience that this is what seems to be most highly valued here.
Could this have something to do with it? Brawn over brains…?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 15, 2022 12:03:25 GMT -5
So why is the US falling behind? I played soccer in Europe growing up and I don’t remember coaches putting so much emphasis on being aggressive, effort, being physical, etc. But I’ve learned through my daughter’s experience that this is what seems to be most highly valued here. Could this have something to do with it? Brawn over brains…? This has always been a US way of playing. Let's take the fastest players and biggest ones and have them play on the top team from the youngest age group and then never look at the "lower team" players again. Doesn't matter about tactics or technical. It is all about athleticism here. Hopefully they will change, but I doubt it. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 15, 2022 12:06:13 GMT -5
and it's kind of the chicken and egg as well, because when you have a team and your playing teams with physicals monsters, it is very difficult for smaller players to be successful. Yes, it happens, but the cards are stacked against those players.
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Post by unitedwestand on Aug 15, 2022 12:23:35 GMT -5
So why is the US falling behind? I played soccer in Europe growing up and I don’t remember coaches putting so much emphasis on being aggressive, effort, being physical, etc. But I’ve learned through my daughter’s experience that this is what seems to be most highly valued here. Could this have something to do with it? Brawn over brains…? This has always been a US way of playing. Let's take the fastest players and biggest ones and have them play on the top team from the youngest age group and then never look at the "lower team" players again. Doesn't matter about tactics or technical. It is all about athleticism here. Hopefully they will change, but I doubt it. The Tactics come from the coach and every single player on that team is technical. So... I don't understand your point. Bigger, stronger, faster, plus technical beats out smaller and technical everyday of the week! It's one game every one needs to relax and calm down. |
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Post by datrain on Aug 15, 2022 12:25:14 GMT -5
I see the size of player and level of physicality more on the boys side
Both goalies are 5'8"
Your best offensive player, Michelle Cooper, is 5'3"......Olivia Moultrie is 5'7"....Talia DellaPeruta is 5'5"....Ally Sentnor is 5'3", Trinity Byars is 5'5"
These are not physical giants
The size issue is more of a Georgia issue than a national issue.....at least on the boys side of the equation
NY/Boston/CT/NJ teams are usually smaller and far more technically and tactically advanced
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Post by mamadona on Aug 15, 2022 12:37:31 GMT -5
It’s not just about being big or small, it’s about what coaches teach & encourage. On our team I noticed a girl who did a lot of really good passes, created chances. She didn’t play that much. Girls who are aggressive and dribble but don’t really achieve that much… well they put in “a good effort” so they are highly valued.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 15, 2022 15:48:02 GMT -5
This has always been a US way of playing. Let's take the fastest players and biggest ones and have them play on the top team from the youngest age group and then never look at the "lower team" players again. Doesn't matter about tactics or technical. It is all about athleticism here. Hopefully they will change, but I doubt it. The Tactics come from the coach and every single player on that team is technical. So... I don't understand your point. Bigger, stronger, faster, plus technical beats out smaller and technical everyday of the week! It's one game every one needs to relax and calm down. I mean we are behind in technical and tactical compared to the European countries, not that the players on the U20 are incapable of both. Just watch our youth soccer matches and you will see what is valued. This is because the coaches believe they can coach tactics and technical. I think it is more of soccer IQ development is slower because they rely more on the physical for so long. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 15, 2022 15:49:59 GMT -5
I see the size of player and level of physicality more on the boys side Both goalies are 5'8" Your best offensive player, Michelle Cooper, is 5'3"......Olivia Moultrie is 5'7"....Talia DellaPeruta is 5'5"....Ally Sentnor is 5'3", Trinity Byars is 5'5" These are not physical giants The size issue is more of a Georgia issue than a national issue.....at least on the boys side of the equation NY/Boston/CT/NJ teams are usually smaller and far more technically and tactically advanced The men's team isn't giant either. But I cam still guarantee all of those kids were/are athletic beasts. Speed more than being huge. |
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Post by mamadona on Aug 15, 2022 18:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 16, 2022 8:58:14 GMT -5
It’s not just about being big or small, it’s about what coaches teach & encourage. On our team I noticed a girl who did a lot of really good passes, created chances. She didn’t play that much. Girls who are aggressive and dribble but don’t really achieve that much… well they put in “a good effort” so they are highly valued. You just described one of my daughter's playing careers. Super frustrating. She was a physically strong player with excellent skill and soccer IQ. Not a dribbler, but a tremendous visionary with movement off the ball and finding great passes (rarely lost the ball), and a solid defender. And she could hit the frame from 30 yards every time, on the move or stationary. Problem was that she wasn't a 'bumblebee' running all over and doing nothing. She made it look easy, so it looked almost lazy (it wasn't). Time after time we'd be in a top game, holding our own, and she'd get subbed out for a busier player, and the other team would immediately score. Every. Single. Time. Final at Disney, ECNL showcases, State Cup, etc. And coach after coach would wonder what just happened. Her +/- stats were insane, which I tried to point out to her coaches to no avail. One game she was man marking the other team's best player, another big solid midfielder. She got subbed out and replaced with a girl much busier but 6" shorter and 30 lbs lighter. The opposing midfielder went on a 50 yard run with the ball, our little defender literally bouncing off her all the way down the field, with no effect. What was a tie game when my daughter was subbed became a 5-2 deficit by the time she came back in. Oh well. |
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Post by mamadona on Aug 16, 2022 9:30:16 GMT -5
That’s frustrating! What happened to “work smarter, not harder”…?
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Post by datrain on Aug 16, 2022 11:32:03 GMT -5
I literally had this conversation this morning with a former pro player in NY. Based on his conversations with Red Bulls Academy Director over the weekend, NYRB would have missed Modric, Carrick and Pirlo with the way they evaluate players…..busy does not mean better. Yet we continue to do it….over and over. Similar evaluation garbage with goalies …top teams here prefer “big” goalies….mind you many are clueless in reading the game, distributing, anticipating shot angles…but they are “big”. Evaluations in the US and Atlanta specifically are laughable.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 16, 2022 12:41:24 GMT -5
Bottom line if the same coaches coach teams for multiple years from U14+, it's hard to get back on those teams, once you have dropped. Coaches have opinions and perceptions that are very difficult to change. And on the boys side, I'm seeing decisions made at < U13, that greatly impact that players development trajectory in negative way.
On the boys side, often kids are labeled/identified pretty earlier, and that reputation proceeds them regardless of how they play week to week.
A players performance can always over ride this, but the reality is gets hard. When every monday your team scrimmages, and it's obvious who the starting 11 is for example, it starts to burn. You have to be extremely strong mentally and committed to keep your head in the game and continue to work hard. Since DA folded, I will say, I see coaches subbing a lot more. Under DA the substitution patterns I had observed were not good. Many kids didn't play much at all.
I'll just say this, I saw some very good players in G'ville this weekend on the boys side. Players that are legit, phenoms, probably not, but kids that are better than many of the MLS counterparts in charlotte and Atlanta.
Girls soccer is so much different than boys. for one I think girls ecnl is much better organized and prioritized over the boys ecnl. A lot is probably because it's a mature product, without the MLS league competition. The girls finish growing sooner, where the boys takes until they are 18+ years of age.
I still think US will win over Japan and advance, but our advantage is our depth. That's really it. We typically (not against netherlands) can keep plugging players in, and as you get deep in a tourney, it's a huge advantage. For example netherlands center back got a red card, could have a huge effect in their next game. The netherlands senior womens team is much more techinical then ours, I think she is hurt, but Danille van de donk is flat out nasty, Miedema, is natural goal scorer, Lieke Martens is sick also. Actually really like their senior team.
I think US women has been caught for sure, and our depth advantage might be waning now also.
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Post by rifle on Aug 16, 2022 17:38:01 GMT -5
Any idea if there is an Atlanta club that uses the TOVO method? Everything I see Todd Beane write sounds tremendous. |
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Post by mamadona on Aug 16, 2022 18:02:48 GMT -5
Any idea if there is an Atlanta club that uses the TOVO method? Everything I see Todd Beane write sounds tremendous. If you’re asking me, no idea. This just randomly came up on my Twitter feed. Sounds interesting though. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 16, 2022 19:59:06 GMT -5
General question only.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 16, 2022 22:32:08 GMT -5
So they are through
with a win or tie if Netherlands loses
If Netherlands wins, not sure the score total but 4-0 win gets ya in I believe.
I’m assuming tie breaker is goal differential.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 17, 2022 6:51:49 GMT -5
So they are through with a win or tie if Netherlands loses If Netherlands wins, not sure the score total but 4-0 win gets ya in I believe. I’m assuming tie breaker is goal differential. The simplest scenario for the USA to advance to the quarterfinals would be a victory over Japan by at least two goals. Japan leads Group D with six points and plus-3 goal difference. The USA and the Netherlands are tied on points with three each, but the Dutch have a plus-2 goal difference to the USA’s zero. If the USA can win by two goals over Japan, it would give both teams six points, but the Americans would have a plus-2 goal difference – with goal difference being the first tiebreaker -- and Japan would be at plus-1, putting the USA ahead of the Japanese no matter the result of the Ghana-Netherlands match, which will be contested at the same time at Estadio Nacional. If Ghana and Netherlands draw, the USA can advance with any victory over Japan. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2022 19:26:05 GMT -5
Oh man…
Japan’s up 2-0. Coach should be terminated now mid game.
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Post by jamsoccer on Aug 17, 2022 19:46:12 GMT -5
Oh man… Japan’s up 2-0. Coach should be terminated now mid game. And it gets worse. 3-1. Can’t tell how I feel about the call. Seem like she was off but probably looking at the wrong player… |
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