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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Aug 17, 2022 19:46:16 GMT -5
Oops. Looks like the national team selection committee needs to be replaced.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 17, 2022 19:48:29 GMT -5
Wow. First time I've watched this team. Watched the last 5 minutes of the first half, first 10 of the second half (until the first goal), then turned back on briefly for the 3rd goal against.
I knew we were going to lose about 5 minutes into the second half.
Too many athletes, not enough players. Unimaginative. Arrogant and entitled. Players and coach clearly not connected. Players not connected with each other. Very unimpressive all around. Sad, because we were clearly the best for most of my adult life. No more.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 17, 2022 19:49:47 GMT -5
Oh man… Japan’s up 2-0. Coach should be terminated now mid game. And it gets worse. 3-1. Can’t tell how I feel about the call. Seem like she was off but probably looking at the wrong player… The defenders feet were on the 18, attackers were behind (further from the goal). I know the VAR geeks get into who's pony tail was closer than the defenders elbow, but to me it was a clear not offside. |
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Post by jamsoccer on Aug 17, 2022 20:03:17 GMT -5
And it gets worse. 3-1. Can’t tell how I feel about the call. Seem like she was off but probably looking at the wrong player… The defenders feet were on the 18, attackers were behind (further from the goal). I know the VAR geeks get into who's pony tail was closer than the defenders elbow, but to me it was a clear not offside. There was a brief picture up with the offside line. It must have been the wrong girl I was lookin at.Watching on my phone without my specs.. Wouldn’t have mattered in the end. 🇯🇵 was clearly the better team and I only watched for 10 minutes… |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2022 20:12:32 GMT -5
I only caught the first 25 min.
Will watch the rest tonight.
First 25 min Japan was dominating and had some hood looks.
They looked like the team with their backs against the wall. They had all the aggression and they could settle a ball with a good first touch.
The usa defenders were just shanking balls out of bounds.
Still not a Moultire fan. But I’m not a play up fan, and you can’t tell me there isn’t an age appropriate player that deserves her spot. No way.
She’s what 3 years younger then these girls. I’m not buying it. She ain’t lebron.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 17, 2022 21:50:26 GMT -5
I am not panicking about our loss of senior team dominance based on the U20 WWC results even tho it is sad and embarrassing.
Here is why:
1) we have not won u20 since 2012. Japan and North Korea won the last two and Germany before that.
2) These teams are 100% kids 18-20 year olds. They have not had normal lives their last few years of high school/first years of college and have a lot on their minds
3) We probably have several hundred options at each position to choose from. Most countries don't have that. It has helped us...our depth, but it also makes scouting really hard. Over time they weed themselves out with injuries, work/life decisions.
Don't get me wrong about my opinion on our reliance on too many athletes and not enough creators. I still think we need fewer speed burners and more shifty, crafty youth players. Hopefully it opens the eyes of those at the top of US Soccer, but given their history I doubt it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2022 22:26:47 GMT -5
Yea. Not panicking. Just stunning lack of urgency.
We looked like a Pourly coached team.
The back 4 is suspect. Maybe #5 - Lilly Reale is a stud in college, but she had another very bad night. The other center back #4 Mason struggled also.
Very rarely committed numbers forward and left way too many stagnant players. I did think Talia Dellapuerta played well. Very sloppy play by others.
Japan had a lot of chances. I’m at the 61st minute and I think usa has 1 shot on goal.
It is shocking. Usa looks like grown women. Japan’s team looks like 12 year olds. Tiny women.
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Post by atlutd17 on Aug 18, 2022 0:21:31 GMT -5
We can't compare competition 1-2 decades ago with today.
Women's soccer is growing worldwide and is catching up to the US that's all.
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Post by rifle on Aug 18, 2022 14:05:44 GMT -5
Wow. First time I've watched this team. Watched the last 5 minutes of the first half, first 10 of the second half (until the first goal), then turned back on briefly for the 3rd goal against. I knew we were going to lose about 5 minutes into the second half. Too many athletes, not enough players. Unimaginative. Arrogant and entitled. Players and coach clearly not connected. Players not connected with each other. Very unimpressive all around. Sad, because we were clearly the best for most of my adult life. No more. This whole disdain for athleticism is bizarre. Athleticism is a favorable characteristic in any SPORT. Coaches and players shouldn’t rely on it solely of course, but it seems that folks should be doing a lot more to impart ATHLETES with technical skills from an early age. That is the issue and that’s a no brainer. But that does not seem to happen in the US’s pay-to-play system. Some of the best men’s players in the world are incredible athletes but they have been trained well technically from very young ages. Mbappe comes to mind for me in that regard. It makes absolutely no sense to knock athleticism. Don’t just put the fast kid out front. Teach them something for goodness sakes. Teach them the some of the same skills you teach those “busy” kids. Agreed! It’s what separates a superstar from a “typical” pro. Guys like CR7 are athletic freaks in addition to possessing top shelf smarts and skills and work ethic. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Aug 18, 2022 17:37:16 GMT -5
Yes. Ouch. My family went to Sunday's double header night in San Jose, Costa Rica ... kicked off with USA against the Nederlands ... USA had opportunities but didn't make the most of them.
Take out Ayo (defender) who was clutch and shizat hit the fan.
I agree with a lot of you on the lineup .... Michelle, Simone and #7 should have started up front. Michelle and Simone were WAY more productive than the starters.
We needed more slide tackling ... would have defused a lot and better runs.
Also need the USA fans to show up for these girls. The Nederlands fans were representing hard ... a bunch of them with different chants. Plane ticket was $350, game tickets were $10 for a double header. Hotel within walking distance for $100/ night...
Now... we also saw the France vs Canada... the pace was crazy high compared to the USA game before it. France is a monster ... athleticism at it's finest.
If USA opens up premium soccer training to the lower to middle class, include film review and actually make the players watch soccer ... sky's the limit.
Feed soccer to the hungry and see what "this is my way out" does for the USA world of soccer ... look at basketball.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 18, 2022 18:54:37 GMT -5
Wow. First time I've watched this team. Watched the last 5 minutes of the first half, first 10 of the second half (until the first goal), then turned back on briefly for the 3rd goal against. I knew we were going to lose about 5 minutes into the second half. Too many athletes, not enough players. Unimaginative. Arrogant and entitled. Players and coach clearly not connected. Players not connected with each other. Very unimpressive all around. Sad, because we were clearly the best for most of my adult life. No more. This whole disdain for athleticism is bizarre. Athleticism is a favorable characteristic in any SPORT. Coaches and players shouldn’t rely on it solely of course, but it seems that folks should be doing a lot more to impart ATHLETES with technical skills from an early age. That is the issue and that’s a no brainer. But that does not seem to happen in the US’s pay-to-play system. Some of the best men’s players in the world are incredible athletes but they have been trained well technically from very young ages. Mbappe comes to mind for me in that regard. It makes absolutely no sense to knock athleticism. Don’t just put the fast kid out front. Teach them something for goodness sakes. Teach them the some of the same skills you teach those “busy” kids. I think we're saying similar things slightly differently. What I see are kids picked only for athleticism who have little skill, nor ability to learn skill. If you'd back down the beast scale half a notch and focus on the kids who are pretty athletic and smart enough to learn the skills and tactics, we'd be better off. We've all seen the players who were big, fast, no first touch and couldn't finish at U12 continue to get picked for top teams. At U19 they were still big, fast, and couldn't finish and had an average first touch of about 4 feet. You need some bruisers and speedsters on the pitch. You also need skilled players who can think, organize, and distribute - solving the soccer problem with something other than speed or muscle. |
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Post by bogan on Aug 18, 2022 19:46:26 GMT -5
This whole disdain for athleticism is bizarre. Athleticism is a favorable characteristic in any SPORT. Coaches and players shouldn’t rely on it solely of course, but it seems that folks should be doing a lot more to impart ATHLETES with technical skills from an early age. That is the issue and that’s a no brainer. But that does not seem to happen in the US’s pay-to-play system. Some of the best men’s players in the world are incredible athletes but they have been trained well technically from very young ages. Mbappe comes to mind for me in that regard. It makes absolutely no sense to knock athleticism. Don’t just put the fast kid out front. Teach them something for goodness sakes. Teach them the some of the same skills you teach those “busy” kids. I think we're saying similar things slightly differently. What I see are kids picked only for athleticism who have little skill, nor ability to learn skill. If you'd back down the beast scale half a notch and focus on the kids who are pretty athletic and smart enough to learn the skills and tactics, we'd be better off. We've all seen the players who were big, fast, no first touch and couldn't finish at U12 continue to get picked for top teams. At U19 they were still big, fast, and couldn't finish and had an average first touch of about 4 feet. You need some bruisers and speedsters on the pitch. You also need skilled players who can think, organize, and distribute - solving the soccer problem with something other than speed or muscle. “ At U19 they were still big, fast, and couldn't finish and had an average first touch of about 4 feet.” Yeah…that was me…I was the sweeper.🤣 |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 18, 2022 21:49:44 GMT -5
This whole disdain for athleticism is bizarre. Athleticism is a favorable characteristic in any SPORT. Coaches and players shouldn’t rely on it solely of course, but it seems that folks should be doing a lot more to impart ATHLETES with technical skills from an early age. That is the issue and that’s a no brainer. But that does not seem to happen in the US’s pay-to-play system. Some of the best men’s players in the world are incredible athletes but they have been trained well technically from very young ages. Mbappe comes to mind for me in that regard. It makes absolutely no sense to knock athleticism. Don’t just put the fast kid out front. Teach them something for goodness sakes. Teach them the some of the same skills you teach those “busy” kids. I think we're saying similar things slightly differently. What I see are kids picked only for athleticism who have little skill, nor ability to learn skill. If you'd back down the beast scale half a notch and focus on the kids who are pretty athletic and smart enough to learn the skills and tactics, we'd be better off. We've all seen the players who were big, fast, no first touch and couldn't finish at U12 continue to get picked for top teams. At U19 they were still big, fast, and couldn't finish and had an average first touch of about 4 feet. You need some bruisers and speedsters on the pitch. You also need skilled players who can think, organize, and distribute - solving the soccer problem with something other than speed or muscle. 100% There is no disdain for athleticism. The disdain is when they keep getting picked without being taught the skills or have no fire or incentive to learn the skills until it is so late and they are so far behind. It is a systemic issue. Agree also about watching film, etc. When the first time they watch film is U17 or later that is a system failure too. |
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Post by baller84 on Aug 18, 2022 22:16:57 GMT -5
Since we're talking women, how many top-level ECNL or GA clubs systematically monitor individual players, have individual film sessions and individual evaluations (not just film team sessions) as well as technical functional training to identify and work on to improve biggest strengths and biggest weaknesses? If your club does please share which club. Those are the places most our best youth players develop and future USWNT hopefulls, yes? Compare that environment to their foreign opponents in the Chelsea, Arsenal, Lyon, PSG, Real or Barcelona academies (and hundreds more) as they've evolved in the last decade. And I promise you those players pay a lot less (if anything) and travel less. They work just as hard as our hardest working players and sacrifice just as much or more. They also collect far less tournament trophies than our kids here.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 19, 2022 12:47:06 GMT -5
Since we're talking women, how many top-level ECNL or GA clubs systematically monitor individual players, have individual film sessions and individual evaluations (not just film team sessions) as well as technical functional training to identify and work on to improve biggest strengths and biggest weaknesses? If your club does please share which club. Those are the places most our best youth players develop and future USWNT hopefulls, yes? Compare that environment to their foreign opponents in the Chelsea, Arsenal, Lyon, PSG, Real or Barcelona academies (and hundreds more) as they've evolved in the last decade. And I promise you those players pay a lot less (if anything) and travel less. They work just as hard as our hardest working players and sacrifice just as much or more. They also collect far less tournament trophies than our kids here. My kid has never had an individual film session with a club coach. They did have InStat monitoring and there is some "objective" information that was provided from the club via that and the heart rate monitoring, etc. IMG wore player maker trackers as a team last season. But the feedback from club coaches has always been minimal at best on individual things for strengths and weaknesses. Now my kid is/was not a YNT product tho was friends with one. Never heard about that with her either. We have to do better. We got way more feedback, film study, etc from the 2 private trainers. Both went to games to watch and provide feedback and reviewed film. I agree with you. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 29, 2022 12:28:49 GMT -5
Anyone catch Spain vs Japan final?
wow - Spain was impressive. The skill, poise and technical ability was on full display. ( I only watched the first half)
and Salma Celeste Paralluelo Ayingono is a beast to deal with. online is says she is listed at 5'6". she looked like she was 5'10 out there for sure.
She's a great complement to that talented roster. wow. really was impressed with them. japan looked great at times also.
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Post by baller84 on Aug 29, 2022 20:56:15 GMT -5
Anyone catch Spain vs Japan final? wow - Spain was impressive. The skill, poise and technical ability was on full display. ( I only watched the first half) and Salma Celeste Paralluelo Ayingono is a beast to deal with. online is says she is listed at 5'6". she looked like she was 5'10 out there for sure. She's a great complement to that talented roster. wow. really was impressed with them. japan looked great at times also. Impressive indeed. And that's a country that very few girls played soccer 15-20 years ago, in a culture that only recently has accepted and embraced the women's game. But this same culture LOVES the sport more than anything else, even money. |
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