dc
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Post by dc on Aug 23, 2022 17:50:50 GMT -5
I would estimate that about 50% of the time that I've seen parents get out of control on the sideline, the berating of the ref included a reference from the offending parent that they were a referee (for x amount of years) and know what they're talking about.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 23, 2022 21:53:59 GMT -5
Conversation went full circle - imagine being told as a u16 coach that you aren’t allowed to sub…. I would be hard pressed not to lose my cool. It’s about the kids.
Also - what happened to all the DA refs? Are they all doing mls next games? The quality of officiating was definitely better with DA then ecnl.
And yes - I’ve been told to leave the sidelines before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 9:48:49 GMT -5
IMO the ECNL sub rules are dumb. They’re kids not professionals. Let them play. Agree with this 100%. Don't restrict kids'- and these are still kids- ability to play, by in a lot of ways hamstringing coaches in terms of forcing them to make difficult substitution decisions. In a 40 or 45-minute half, I don't see the harm- and can actually see benefit- in, for example, a starter being able to come out after 25 minutes, take a 5-7 minute break to rest & get hydrated and maybe even get some instruction on the sideline, then be able to go back in and finish the half a little more strongly than if they had to play the whole way through. And heaven forbid a coach decides to hold a player out for almost an entire half "just in case someone gets hurt", since there are stupidly and ridiculously, in youth soccer, no allowances for injury-related subs other than "head injuries". Also allows for more positional flexibility, which can make the game for fun & interesting for the players. Let's be honest, at even the ECNL level (and also ECNL-R, where the sub rules are the same), the vast majority of players aren't going to play soccer for a living, or even in college. So why do their sub rules have to be more rigid than college, and in line with the pros and international soccer? These are kids, let them play. When you say vast majority, like none (less than 1%). |
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Post by Brinker on Aug 24, 2022 11:00:12 GMT -5
When you say vast majority, like none (less than 1%). I’m not sure about nationally, but I don’t think it is correct to say only 1% of ECNL kids play college soccer. I am more familiar with boys soccer, but I do know that a majority of NASA’s U19 team last season went D1 and I believe the entire team of high school seniors had offers to play college soccer, D1, D2, D3. Now NASA is a top program —so probably other ECNL programs will not be as successful. Of course if we are talking about playing soccer professionally, then yes 1% is probably correct. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 24, 2022 11:30:42 GMT -5
either way -- college substitutions are rather lenient with no roster size limitations, and you can sub all 11 players at once...
First half: no re-entry.
Second half: one re-entry.
First overtime period: no re-entry.
Second overtime period: no re-entry
ECNL should allow one re-entry in the 2nd half for consistency.
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Post by Respect on Aug 28, 2022 18:30:17 GMT -5
AFU won 1-0. Before anyone starts it was on a PK some will cry about. It was a bang bang play the defender kicked the ball away but a split second later the keeper put a big hit on the striker flipping him over drawing a yellow earning AFU a pk. I suppose the foul was for not making a play on the ball as it was already cleared. As for the UFA coach he almost got in more trouble coaching from outside the field. Hey, just read this thread. one minor comment on what is stated here, hopefully serve as a clarification: a foul can be called whether or not a play is made or not made on the ball by the offending player I.e., a player can make a play on the ball and still foul the opposition. Even when the player makes contact with the ball first, in certain players’ motions it can still be a foul. |
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Post by Respect on Aug 28, 2022 18:45:12 GMT -5
Agreed. Referee's #1 job is player safety. Protecting the fairness, fairly applying other laws of the game, etc...are secondary. They have the toolkit to protect player safety, including warnings/cautions/expulsions and even ending the game.
Yes to referee #1 job is player safety and parents, fans should understand this is in the ref’s mind much more so at the youth (and older adult and recreational) game level. However, player safety does not imply that fairness is secondary. Applying all the LOTG fairly and in consistent way lead to player safety and a more joyful experience for all involved. All LOTGSs are consistent with player safety and that is in the spirit of the laws. A ref needs to consider the skills and level of the players involved to effectively measure the risk to safety in any play and to be consistent in doing so. |
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