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Post by youthsoccerdad on Sept 19, 2014 22:15:17 GMT -5
I was curious, who decides the location of ODP practices. Girls are in cobb and boys are at RYSA? I don' t mean this as a jab, but isn't most of the better soccer played on the north side of ATL? Why aren't the boys more centrally located like the girls?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 19, 2014 22:44:47 GMT -5
I don't think GA Soccer determines the venues, I believe it's the clubs that offer their locations and open them up to the ODP teams, maybe clubs don't offer due to field space or not wanting additional impact on their fields. My first year in ODP the boys practiced at the East Cobb YMCA, then next year a few sessions were at Silverbacks Park, then two years at South Forsyth Complex (UFA) and we've been at RYSA the last two years, I believe the girls were in Gainesville last year. I will say last year we practiced on Friday nights at RYSA and trying to get out there by 7pm in 5:00pm traffic was a tall order.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 20, 2014 5:41:41 GMT -5
Last year and this year the girls are in Canton. I believe that clubs bid on the locations.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 20, 2014 8:52:20 GMT -5
Doesn't having Odp tryouts and practice in north Atlanta limit participation for players in the rest of the state? I've seen some excellent players from Savannah, but it would be hard to get to a tryout in north Atlanta, much less any practices. Certainly a majority of the top players are from the Atlanta area, but not all. It's my understanding that SC holds it's tryouts and practices on the weekend in Columbia, which opens it up to the entire state.
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Post by soccertoo on Sept 20, 2014 12:07:52 GMT -5
We were told that the ODP field selection is awarded to the cheapest bidder. Driving to Canton ODP sessions from Savannah on Sundays was challenging. Driving there on a Friday was brutal, taking over six hours regardless of the route we took. GA Soccer had complete disregard for the geographic challenge.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 20, 2014 13:49:43 GMT -5
We were told that the ODP field selection is awarded to the cheapest bidder. Driving to Canton ODP sessions from Savannah on Sundays was challenging. Driving there on a Friday was brutal, taking over six hours regardless of the route we took. GA Soccer had complete disregard for the geographic challenge. I'm not sure that's the case, I'm sure most clubs don't want 4 or 5 teams practicing on their fields on a Friday night after they spent the entire day lining the fields in preparation for games the next day, or hosting 3 to 4 teams on a Sunday with a crowded game schedule. As far as the travel to Metro Atlanta is concerned I may be mistaken but I think players in Savannah can try for Florida ODP, I know when I was with the 97 Boys we had a player that lived in Chattanooga and played club in Chattanooga on the GA team.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 20, 2014 18:24:36 GMT -5
We were told that the ODP field selection is awarded to the cheapest bidder. Driving to Canton ODP sessions from Savannah on Sundays was challenging. Driving there on a Friday was brutal, taking over six hours regardless of the route we took. GA Soccer had complete disregard for the geographic challenge. I'm not sure that's the case, I'm sure most clubs don't want 4 or 5 teams practicing on their fields on a Friday night after they spent the entire day lining the fields in preparation for games the next day, or hosting 3 to 4 teams on a Sunday with a crowded game schedule. As far as the travel to Metro Atlanta is concerned I may be mistaken but I think players in Savannah can try for Florida ODP, I know when I was with the 97 Boys we had a player that lived in Chattanooga and played club in Chattanooga on the GA team. I don't think that's right unless the player plays for a USYSA Florida team. It's my understanding that you either have to live in or play in the state where you try out. So, Savannah players who live and play in GA have no choice but to come to Atlanta (North Atlanta at that). Having tryouts and practices a bit south of Atlanta would help the rest of the state considerably. On a school night, coming to north Atlanta is ridiculous. How do you know if you really have the best players in the state if you make it difficult for so may in the state? There is so every good soccer going on outside of Atlanta. There's a whole lot of travel involved too. If I lived in Savannah I'm not sure I'd do Odp no matter how good my child is. I'm just not up for that kind of driving.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 21, 2014 11:12:55 GMT -5
I understand the frustration of the Savannah parents but most of the players come from this area and not there. I already hate driving to Canton and I dont want to drive any further. Im sure theres some good players out there but again the majority of the kids in odp are in metro atlanta. My daughters team traveled to Savannah last spring for a whole weekend, played the top u12 boys and girls team and beat them both by at least 5 goals.
Again im sure theres some good players out there but the numbers are not enough to merit a change.
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Post by soccertoo on Sept 21, 2014 18:06:53 GMT -5
I understand the frustration of the Savannah parents but most of the players come from this area and not there. I already hate driving to Canton and I dont want to drive any further. Im sure theres some good players out there but again the majority of the kids in odp are in metro atlanta. My daughters team traveled to Savannah last spring for a whole weekend, played the top u12 boys and girls team and beat them both by at least 5 goals. Again im sure theres some good players out there but the numbers are not enough to merit a change. What club did you compete against in Savannah?
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 21, 2014 18:13:46 GMT -5
Storm SA I believe? The girls were definitely better than the boys. I dont recall the exact scores but i know the boys werent able to score on us at all.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 21, 2014 18:15:22 GMT -5
Ta bunch of teams from he whole club went....they invited a different club every weekend, my sons age group playd up and had no problem beating them either
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Post by soccertoo on Sept 21, 2014 20:36:46 GMT -5
Ta bunch of teams from he whole club went....they invited a different club every weekend, my sons age group playd up and had no problem beating them either Your arrogance is showing.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 22, 2014 5:10:39 GMT -5
Ta bunch of teams from he whole club went....they invited a different club every weekend, my sons age group playd up and had no problem beating them either Your arrogance is showing.
Im not being arrogant, and Im sorry if I offended you. Someone complained about the location and the Savannah teams, most odp players are from Metro Atlanta.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Sept 22, 2014 7:08:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure that's the case, I'm sure most clubs don't want 4 or 5 teams practicing on their fields on a Friday night after they spent the entire day lining the fields in preparation for games the next day, or hosting 3 to 4 teams on a Sunday with a crowded game schedule. As far as the travel to Metro Atlanta is concerned I may be mistaken but I think players in Savannah can try for Florida ODP, I know when I was with the 97 Boys we had a player that lived in Chattanooga and played club in Chattanooga on the GA team. I don't think that's right unless the player plays for a USYSA Florida team. It's my understanding that you either have to live in or play in the state where you try out. So, Savannah players who live and play in GA have no choice but to come to Atlanta (North Atlanta at that). Having tryouts and practices a bit south of Atlanta would help the rest of the state considerably. On a school night, coming to north Atlanta is ridiculous. How do you know if you really have the best players in the state if you make it difficult for so may in the state? There is so every good soccer going on outside of Atlanta. There's a whole lot of travel involved too. If I lived in Savannah I'm not sure I'd do Odp no matter how good my child is. I'm just not up for that kind of driving. Again I would encourage you to email Jacob Daniel at GA Soccer and ask him what your options are. As I mentioned previously when I was coaching with the 97 Boys ODP a few years ago we had a player that lived in TN and played for a club in Chattanooga (Premiere Soccer Academy) but participated with GA ODP, I'm not sure the proper channels his parents went through to do that but he was registered for a TN Soccer Association club team and still made the 2+ hr drive on Fridays to our practices in East Cobb YMCA and then South Forysth Complex when we moved out there. cant hurt to email and get clarification, hope it works out.
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Post by stevieg on Sept 22, 2014 7:39:56 GMT -5
Maybe SoccerMom made the point inelegantly, but I agree with the main contention. It is likely that 95% of the best players in GA are in Metro Atlanta, with probably 75% of those North of I-20. If they held ODP practices in Macon or some other compromise location, ODP would quickly become irrelevant as most of us with kids in the program would just get extra training from a club or coach on those nights instead. I have heard of kids playing and living in Savannah playing ODP in FL or SC. Same goes for Columbus playing ODP in AL. It's not ideal, but there are other ways to get additional training and get noticed. If your kid is good enough, they will get seen by scouts eventually.
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Post by zizou on Sept 22, 2014 9:43:14 GMT -5
It is likely that 95% of the best players in GA are in Metro Atlanta, with probably 75% of those North of I-20. This is a reasonable theory, but one wonders whether things could change a bit if circumstances in the state were different. One undoubted fact is that kids will get better playing against better competition. This is an advantage for players playing in metro ATL. There are limited opportunities for players outside of mATL to play high level competition on a regular basis. It is possible, indeed probable, that the same percentage of kids identified as being top 10%ers would show up in the outlying areas of the state. Speed of play, especially every day in training. Children in mATL are fortunate as a result of their place of residence. Take those same kids and have them grow up in Waycross and let's see what happens. This is where parents in mATL, I think, lose their perspective a bit. I am not saying kids in our area are not good; there are some very good players here in the ATL. But they are not good as a function of constitution alone (there is no soccer gene); their advancement is most likely largely a function of the accident of their home location. And this is where the state has fostered a certain sense of entitlement and superiority that comes from the average mATL soccer parent. This was one of the motivations for my thread on how to improve soccer training for the most kids in Georgia. The state has the DTCs, which are a very good thing, but then they require kids to travel to mATL if they want to continue participation in the state ID system. I believe training should be regionalized. and there should be more such opportunities at earlier ages. Let's see what happens if more kids, even those south of I-20, got to play with and against a higher level of competition on a more regular basis in their own areas. I will post more about this at a later time in the other thread. But the way ID is done in the state now essentially fosters a sense of superiority among those in mATL. Let's have Jacob Daniel live in Tifton or Richmond Hill instead of mATL and let's see how things change.
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Post by leem on Sept 22, 2014 10:08:55 GMT -5
I'd agree with zizou and add that the DTC is one of Jacob Daniel's better achievements as State DOC. I know that there is pushback from the ODP coaches and managers to support a program that takes some of the limited funding available to ODP and uses it for players well outside mATL. ODP is a great program, especially if you live in mATL, but it requires a greater commitment for 50% of the population that live outside mATL. If you live 4-5 hours away, it's inconvenient at best to take your child from school for a 7:30 Friday night practice, and frequently have the practice cancelled 2 hours into your 200+ mile drive.
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Post by soccergator on Sept 22, 2014 10:38:59 GMT -5
when i grew up playing in the late 80s, early 90s, ODP and the regional team were pretty much the only way to get recognized by a big division 1 school. during that time it was the most consistent way to validate a kids playing ability. it was a different era for sure though, from 8 years old we were putting teams together with only one thing in mind, and that was winning!
times have changed. ODP is not the only game in town, and I'm not sure if you can expect the state program to handle that much responsibility for every player in every small town. there are many other options now to get exposed to hire level soccer. super y, national premier league, rpl, national league, DA, ECNL etc. i'm sure i'm missing a few. ga soccer could easily rotate training sessions across difference areas of the state, but i can tell ya, the metro atlanta folks won't go and will end up defeating the purpose in the first place.
i do agree with you there, it does suck if you are a quality player and you live more than 1.5 hours from metro atlanta. but that's where you as a parent have to decide what sacrifices are you willing to make.
i personally thing that for every game played in league play u13 and above, each coach should have to identify X players from their and the opposing teams. similar to super y. then make sure those players are invited to certain camps along with others etc. i've seen many top players show no interest in ODP for various reasons.
lets be honest though, the big clubs in ga soccer carry all the power and will continue as such as DA and ECNL continue to mature.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 22, 2014 16:11:05 GMT -5
I understand the frustration of the Savannah parents but most of the players come from this area and not there. I already hate driving to Canton and I dont want to drive any further. Im sure theres some good players out there but again the majority of the kids in odp are in metro atlanta. My daughters team traveled to Savannah last spring for a whole weekend, played the top u12 boys and girls team and beat them both by at least 5 goals. Again im sure theres some good players out there but the numbers are not enough to merit a change. There are some very good players in Savannah. Unlike Atlanta, the clubs they are limited when it comes to numbers of players. So, often their teams are multi-age, unlike Atlanta where many clubs have multiple teams in an age group. But, I would ask what beating a team proves about individual players. Storm has some very good players. Technique is emphasized, as is possession. It's a relatively young club that has come a long way, and has done a good job finding opportunties for their players. I would say that winning a game against them doesn't mean they don't have quality players that could play ODP. But, it's a huge commitment. Certainly, a majority of the ODP players will come out of the Atlanta area because there are more soccer players there. But, having a practice and tryouts north of Atlanta makes it pretty tough for a large portion of the state. BTW, I spoke to a Savannah parent who said that becasue they live in GA and play for a GA team, GA ODP is their only option. Now, if they were to play for a USYSA team in either SC or FL, they could play in the state where they are rostered, as well as in GA since they live here. All I know is what was said. I have no fight in this. My child has aged out of ODP and decided not play the her year. It was good when she was younger, but, to be honest, it's tough to do both ECNL and ODP since the ECNL National Qualifier and Championship conflict with ODP Region Camp.We are fortunate to have ECNL as an option. I would argue that ODP needs the best players to keep the program strong. Maybe all of those players are in Atlanta and none would bother to come to a location south of Atlanta. I doubt that's the case. ODP is missing out on some quality players by making it very difficult for so many players outside of Atlanta. I get that the practices need to take place in or near Atlanta, but north of Atlanta?
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Post by stevieg on Sept 22, 2014 17:14:41 GMT -5
I understand the frustration of the Savannah parents but most of the players come from this area and not there. I already hate driving to Canton and I dont want to drive any further. Im sure theres some good players out there but again the majority of the kids in odp are in metro atlanta. My daughters team traveled to Savannah last spring for a whole weekend, played the top u12 boys and girls team and beat them both by at least 5 goals. Again im sure theres some good players out there but the numbers are not enough to merit a change. There are some very good players in Savannah. Unlike Atlanta, the clubs they are limited when it comes to numbers of players. So, often their teams are multi-age, unlike Atlanta where many clubs have multiple teams in an age group. But, I would ask what beating a team proves about individual players. Storm has some very good players. Technique is emphasized, as is possession. It's a relatively young club that has come a long way, and has done a good job finding opportunties for their players. I would say that winning a game against them doesn't mean they don't have quality players that could play ODP. But, it's a huge commitment. Certainly, a majority of the ODP players will come out of the Atlanta area because there are more soccer players there. But, having a practice and tryouts north of Atlanta makes it pretty tough for a large portion of the state. BTW, I spoke to a Savannah parent who said that becasue they live in GA and play for a GA team, GA ODP is their only option. Now, if they were to play for a USYSA team in either SC or FL, they could play in the state where they are rostered, as well as in GA since they live here. All I know is what was said. I have no fight in this. My child has aged out of ODP and decided not play the her year. It was good when she was younger, but, to be honest, it's tough to do both ECNL and ODP since the ECNL National Qualifier and Championship conflict with ODP Region Camp.We are fortunate to have ECNL as an option. I would argue that ODP needs the best players to keep the program strong. Maybe all of those players are in Atlanta and none would bother to come to a location south of Atlanta. I doubt that's the case. ODP is missing out on some quality players by making it very difficult for so many players outside of Atlanta. I get that the practices need to take place in or near Atlanta, but north of Atlanta? Don't Storm teams play in South Carolina league play? Doesn't that make them eligible for SC ODP?
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 22, 2014 19:19:27 GMT -5
There are some very good players in Savannah. Unlike Atlanta, the clubs they are limited when it comes to numbers of players. So, often their teams are multi-age, unlike Atlanta where many clubs have multiple teams in an age group. But, I would ask what beating a team proves about individual players. Storm has some very good players. Technique is emphasized, as is possession. It's a relatively young club that has come a long way, and has done a good job finding opportunties for their players. I would say that winning a game against them doesn't mean they don't have quality players that could play ODP. But, it's a huge commitment. Certainly, a majority of the ODP players will come out of the Atlanta area because there are more soccer players there. But, having a practice and tryouts north of Atlanta makes it pretty tough for a large portion of the state. BTW, I spoke to a Savannah parent who said that becasue they live in GA and play for a GA team, GA ODP is their only option. Now, if they were to play for a USYSA team in either SC or FL, they could play in the state where they are rostered, as well as in GA since they live here. All I know is what was said. I have no fight in this. My child has aged out of ODP and decided not play the her year. It was good when she was younger, but, to be honest, it's tough to do both ECNL and ODP since the ECNL National Qualifier and Championship conflict with ODP Region Camp.We are fortunate to have ECNL as an option. I would argue that ODP needs the best players to keep the program strong. Maybe all of those players are in Atlanta and none would bother to come to a location south of Atlanta. I doubt that's the case. ODP is missing out on some quality players by making it very difficult for so many players outside of Atlanta. I get that the practices need to take place in or near Atlanta, but north of Atlanta? Don't Storm teams play in South Carolina league play? Doesn't that make them eligible for SC ODP? Storm does have some teams that play in SC, which I believe is a new thing. They would be able to play SC ODP regardless of where they live. Other teams play for GA and two teams play R3PL. I would think they wouldn't be able to participate in SC ODP, but with player passes, who knows. If they can find a way for it to work out for them, I hope they do. ODP is a good program, especially at the younger ages and traveling to Columbia would certainly be easier than going to Atlanta.
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Post by sidelinemama on Sept 23, 2014 11:32:42 GMT -5
I don't even think of Canton as being Atlanta. It's North Georgia, lol!
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 23, 2014 12:57:18 GMT -5
I don't even think of Canton as being Atlanta. It's North Georgia, lol! Its far is all I know, it takes me almost an hour with no traffic to get my kid out there. while its not 5 hours like some others, its by no means that close to me either. If I had to drive that much, I just wouldn't do it
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