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Post by soccergator on Aug 29, 2022 7:29:34 GMT -5
First of all, so many college games to watch on Sunday night, wow -- just seemed like they all started at 7:00 pm though. Very entertaining games on the men and womens side.
But this seems to be a womens soccer phenominon, as discussed no sub restrictions or rules or game day roster sizes.
Notre damn won 4-0, and played 28 girls.
UNC won 6-0 and play 29 girls...Against Tenn they played 24.
That is insane -- how do they not have roster size game day caps. 18 or make it 21, but unlimited rosters on game day is insane.
I'm in full support for playing players and subs, but at some point their needs to be a realistic limit.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 29, 2022 7:36:28 GMT -5
It is a major home field advantage too because most teams have a smaller travel roster so away team usually has many fewer players.
I don't have an issue with the huge rosters if the play a lot of players tho. Keeps the kids (and parents) happy. Parents still footing the majority of the bill in college.
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Post by soccergator on Aug 29, 2022 7:42:58 GMT -5
It is a major home field advantage too because most teams have a smaller travel roster so away team usually has many fewer players. I don't have an issue with the huge rosters if the play a lot of players tho. Keeps the kids (and parents) happy. Parents still footing the majority of the bill in college. Very very true, and I love that fact -- they play the kids. I know other kid at other schools, been there for 1-3 years, and haven't seen the field yet. But no question it's an unfair advantage -- maybe come playoff time as well, game day rosters get shorterned. I do like how in college, the refs get the kids in and out quick, they don't waste much time -- move up in and get off the field. uncw vs unc a few weeks ago played - UNCW played 33 girls against UNC, held their own also and only lost 2-0! |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 29, 2022 11:08:32 GMT -5
I have never understood how having a large roster in soccer is an advantage. Yes it gives more options if players get injured, but I have never thought above 16-18 was an advantage. If you have that many players, and play them, nobody gets into a rhythm and the games tend to get choppy.
The common theme of the ND & UNC games were lopsided scores...and being early season non-conference games. With a goal differential of 3 or more in the final 20 minutes, both teams might as well play an entire new 11.
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Post by georgiatechalum on Aug 29, 2022 13:14:25 GMT -5
Yep, the roster size for women's college was a huge adjustment for my daughters.
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 29, 2022 15:02:54 GMT -5
I have never understood how having a large roster in soccer is an advantage. Yes it gives more options if players get injured, but I have never thought above 16-18 was an advantage. If you have that many players, and play them, nobody gets into a rhythm and the games tend to get choppy. The common theme of the ND & UNC games were lopsided scores...and being early season non-conference games. With a goal differential of 3 or more in the final 20 minutes, both teams might as well play an entire new 11. So when I started doing the college visit tour with my daughter I was thinking the same thing as most coaches were telling us their ideal roster size was between 22-25 players. Once my daughter started playing I realized why. Starting her sophomore year we had a roster of 19, 3 were keepers. 3 games into the regular season, at start of conference play, we already had 2 season ending injuries, one starter with a severely sprained ankle, and a girl being held out due to an irregular heartbeat. Basically doing the season with 14. After a few weekends of playing 90 minutes per game, the overwork started causing more injuries. Our last game of the year we played a senior keeper as a striker, only suited up 13. College soccer is grueling stuff. I’m now of the opinion that 25 is the magic number. And with the year to year attrition, 25 is a hard number to maintain. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 29, 2022 19:32:58 GMT -5
I have never understood how having a large roster in soccer is an advantage. Yes it gives more options if players get injured, but I have never thought above 16-18 was an advantage. If you have that many players, and play them, nobody gets into a rhythm and the games tend to get choppy. The common theme of the ND & UNC games were lopsided scores...and being early season non-conference games. With a goal differential of 3 or more in the final 20 minutes, both teams might as well play an entire new 11. So when I started doing the college visit tour with my daughter I was thinking the same thing as most coaches were telling us their ideal roster size was between 22-25 players. Once my daughter started playing I realized why. Starting her sophomore year we had a roster of 19, 3 were keepers. 3 games into the regular season, at start of conference play, we already had 2 season ending injuries, one starter with a severely sprained ankle, and a girl being held out due to an irregular heartbeat. Basically doing the season with 14. After a few weekends of playing 90 minutes per game, the overwork started causing more injuries. Our last game of the year we played a senior keeper as a striker, only suited up 13. College soccer is grueling stuff. I’m now of the opinion that 25 is the magic number. And with the year to year attrition, 25 is a hard number to maintain. I suppose I should have been a little clearer and stated, gameday roster size. My daughter's HS Varsity team has 22 players with multiple keepers, and I think that is a good size. However, having that many, or more, on a gameday roster seems a bit excessive. I'm really not sure how that gives one team an advantage over another for that one game. |
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Post by atlcoach84 on Sept 1, 2022 10:45:17 GMT -5
Ideal roster numbers are great, but the seasons we've had 28ish players, for whatever reason (may just be fluky bad luck) I've felt like we've had more injuries than normal and could end up in a situation where you can't play 11v11 at training (or on a conference travel roster you don't have a full 22 available to travel).
With the fall season so compressed and compact, a larger roster (32ish) can help both keep players fresh for the long haul/conference and national tournament, as well as give invaluable minutes/development opportunities to the players that don't play as much to help them stay on track developmentally to contribute to your program in seasons down the road. Then when you have a larger cohort of starters graduate, you aren't left with a team that has returners that haven't played many competitive season minutes (or any in some cases).
This said, a roster of closer to 40 than 30 would be way more difficult to manage in these instances, as no matter what you'll have more players that can barely get any practice repetitions, let alone step on the field in the fall season.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 1, 2022 14:40:19 GMT -5
Heels just played Mizzou had no chance -- down 3-0 at half Mizzou only went with 4 subs. Heels went with 11 subs and a change at keeper. That is some serious depth for a 1:00 mid afternoon kickoff in the heat. stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=412202 |
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 1, 2022 18:01:19 GMT -5
As a fyi there are sub rules this year.
1. No reentry in 1st half
2. Only 1 reentry in 2nd half
While not perfect it is a step in the right direction. I used to be college soccer could sub in and out numerous times.
Also keep in mind the best colleges treat this time of year as a chance to learn the right lineups and thus they are trying different player groups to find the right combinations.
I also agree with an earlier parent with the grind the college soccer season is with games every Thursday and Sunday for 12 weeks. Especially with how physical the games are...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 1, 2022 18:10:07 GMT -5
As a fyi there are sub rules this year. 1. No reentry in 1st half 2. Only 1 reentry in 2nd half While not perfect it is a step in the right direction. I used to be college soccer could sub in and out numerous times. Also keep in mind the best colleges treat this time of year as a chance to learn the right lineups and thus they are trying different player groups to find the right combinations. I also agree with an earlier parent with the grind the college soccer season is with games every Thursday and Sunday for 12 weeks. Especially with how physical the games are... Those sub rules have been in place for a few years. That is not new this year. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 2, 2022 8:33:20 GMT -5
yea, i understand the large rosters, its not like "club" soccer, where you can just grab bodies from younger teams or teams b - z.
but I think at some point you have to have a gameday roster limitation. I think college basketball as 13 as the number. Even if its 25, something to make more of a level playing field.
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