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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 6, 2022 17:29:06 GMT -5
Looking forward to next year when my daughter will be a U19 as a Junior. The ECNL Composite League served a purpose, resolving the problem created by the USSF age mandate change (due to now-defunct USSF DA). The problem is that roughly 1/3 of players will play U19 twice (assuming they don't quit when their teammates graduate or can't make the team at the level they have been playing for 5 years). At our club we have an unusual situation for next year exacerbated by the age mandate, this year's U19 ECNL team has 13 Juniors, meaning 13 seniors next year who will have to merge into the 18 rising from 2022 U17 juniors and seniors. So around 6 of the 2022 U17 ECNL players will likely get promoted in their current league, and 12 will get pushed down to the U19 ECNL-R team (which will have 6 returning seniors also). Its conceivable that no players from the U17 ECNL-R team will make the team at U19, competing against girls who are pushed down from the ECNL team and returning players.
Next year is going to be a mess for us.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 6, 2022 18:15:46 GMT -5
While I understand your anxiety there is no difference except a name change. ECNL Composite now = ECRL U19. The ECNL Composite was clearly a 2nd team. Most clubs treated the Composite team like a regular second team and so did colleges and the league.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Sept 6, 2022 20:05:10 GMT -5
While I understand your anxiety there is no difference except a name change. ECNL Composite now = ECRL U19. The ECNL Composite was clearly a 2nd team. Most clubs treated the Composite team like a regular second team and so did colleges and the league. Yes but won’t some of the current ECRL U17’s get pushed down to SCCL next year if ECNL players drop to ECRL at U19? My daughter, having a fall birthday, will potentially be impacted by this when she’s a HS junior in a few years, assuming she stays with the same ECRL team. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 6, 2022 20:12:12 GMT -5
The age change was and is a complete disaster. Go back to school year. So much easier for everyone.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 6, 2022 20:39:43 GMT -5
While I understand your anxiety there is no difference except a name change. ECNL Composite now = ECRL U19. The ECNL Composite was clearly a 2nd team. Most clubs treated the Composite team like a regular second team and so did colleges and the league. Yes but won’t some of the current ECRL U17’s get pushed down to SCCL next year if ECNL players drop to ECRL at U19? My daughter, having a fall birthday, will potentially be impacted by this when she’s a HS junior in a few years, assuming she stays with the same ECRL team. Yup. But 1st team drops to 2nd and 2nd drops to 3rd. Only the name changes. Same thing has happened every year since the age group change. At GA clubs GA drops to DPL. DPL drops to SCCL. As an aside I have seen many U19 players voluntarily dropping to lower level for their senior years if not going to play in college. Also see a lot quitting too. Have a U19 player. Know at least 10 that quit or dropped levels on purpose compared to the 4 that were dropped without wanting to. Attrition is real. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 6, 2022 21:28:17 GMT -5
Yes but won’t some of the current ECRL U17’s get pushed down to SCCL next year if ECNL players drop to ECRL at U19? My daughter, having a fall birthday, will potentially be impacted by this when she’s a HS junior in a few years, assuming she stays with the same ECRL team. Yup. But 1st team drops to 2nd and 2nd drops to 3rd. Only the name changes. Same thing has happened every year since the age group change. At GA clubs GA drops to DPL. DPL drops to SCCL. As an aside I have seen many U19 players voluntarily dropping to lower level for their senior years if not going to play in college. Also see a lot quitting too. Have a U19 player. Know at least 10 that quit or dropped levels on purpose compared to the 4 that were dropped without wanting to. Attrition is real. As an aside, this ( attrition) happens in college, too. Many players quit after a year or two. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Sept 6, 2022 21:43:36 GMT -5
Very simple if you are a sr in this situation and already committed to a college either don’t play or drop down from top team.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 7, 2022 14:28:23 GMT -5
But...if you're a U19 Junior and you get dropped to SCCL, it will hurt your college recruiting prospects (as well as the degradation of your perceived value from a college's perspective). Mainly because most SCCL teams don't typically play many showcases, but college recruiters know what the leagues are.
Previously 2nd teams were SCCL, but ECNL Composite was a place U19 juniors and seniors who don't make the 1st team to still have a better chance to be seen/be recruited.
Maybe they need to create a U20 ECNL or ECNL-R division?
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 7, 2022 14:35:17 GMT -5
Why not just carry a bigger roster? With injuries, senior year commitments, SAT/ACT dates, etc, the solution is a roster of 24 or so at both ECNL and ECRL. This would largely solve most of the problems that are being discussed.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 7, 2022 14:53:15 GMT -5
Very simple if you are a sr in this situation and already committed to a college either don’t play or drop down from top team. Getting committed is just the first step. You need to work even harder to earn your spot in college. So quitting or dropping down a level would seem extremely detrimental to your career. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Sept 7, 2022 14:53:18 GMT -5
Why not just carry a bigger roster? With injuries, senior year commitments, SAT/ACT dates, etc, the solution is a roster of 24 or so at both ECNL and ECRL. This would largely solve most of the problems that are being discussed. I like this idea. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 7, 2022 14:54:42 GMT -5
Why not just carry a bigger roster? With injuries, senior year commitments, SAT/ACT dates, etc, the solution is a roster of 24 or so at both ECNL and ECRL. This would largely solve most of the problems that are being discussed. Some clubs do do this. Super fun to be told you can't even dress on game day. Especially if you are still trying to get committed. I don't have the right answer. It is a cluster for sure. |
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Post by randomparent on Sept 7, 2022 14:57:51 GMT -5
Why not just carry a bigger roster? With injuries, senior year commitments, SAT/ACT dates, etc, the solution is a roster of 24 or so at both ECNL and ECRL. This would largely solve most of the problems that are being discussed. I like this idea. Only if we get to pay the same amount. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Sept 7, 2022 15:12:20 GMT -5
Very simple if you are a sr in this situation and already committed to a college either don’t play or drop down from top team. Offers/Commitments are also accompanied with expectations by those coaches that you are maintaining your level of competition through your sr year. |
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 7, 2022 15:25:11 GMT -5
Why not just carry a bigger roster? With injuries, senior year commitments, SAT/ACT dates, etc, the solution is a roster of 24 or so at both ECNL and ECRL. This would largely solve most of the problems that are being discussed. Some clubs do do this. Super fun to be told you can't even dress on game day. Especially if you are still trying to get committed. I don't have the right answer. It is a cluster for sure. The kids that I know who are seniors like it and most of the time, conflicts take care of anyone having to sit. I know of several teams with 22 but due to injuries and conflicts, they end up with 16 to 18 for a game. So far coach has not had to pick anyone to sit out. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 7, 2022 17:30:51 GMT -5
But...if you're a U19 Junior and you get dropped to SCCL, it will hurt your college recruiting prospects (as well as the degradation of your perceived value from a college's perspective). Mainly because most SCCL teams don't typically play many showcases, but college recruiters know what the leagues are. Previously 2nd teams were SCCL, but ECNL Composite was a place U19 juniors and seniors who don't make the 1st team to still have a better chance to be seen/be recruited. Maybe they need to create a U20 ECNL or ECNL-R division? You still need to explain to me how this is different than how it is now. ECNL Composite is now ECRL. It is a name change for those U19 girls. If ECRL did not exist your second team players were on SCCL at U17 and they went to ECNL Composite or stayed SCCL if they were not good enough, but they were still a second team. Now the ECRL team is the second team at U17 and U19. The being "promoted" to ECNL Composite or being "demoted" to SCCL was the same thing. It is a name change that is all. You are allowing yourself to be fooled be the names they are calling these teams. Regardless of the names there were still U17 1st team being dropped to 2nd team and 2nd team being dropped to 3rd team and so on. If your U17 was on 2nd team SCCL 3 years ago they would be on the U19 2nd team ECNL Composite or 3rd team SCCL. I think ECRL has better exposure at U17 so you are gaining something at U17 that you would not have had 3 years ago. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 8, 2022 15:19:32 GMT -5
Same? ECNL Composite teams played in regular ECNL showcases. Big difference there.
Composite teams were there to give players who wanted a college look but got shafted by the age mandate. 1st and 2nd team players whom the system failed.
ECRL is just a 2nd team league like SCCL. With just a hair better college exposure.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 8, 2022 16:29:33 GMT -5
Same? ECNL Composite teams played in regular ECNL showcases. Big difference there. Composite teams were there to give players who wanted a college look but got shafted by the age mandate. 1st and 2nd team players whom the system failed. ECRL is just a 2nd team league like SCCL. With just a hair better college exposure. Some Composite teams played at showcases against other Composite teams. 1) If you are waiting until your senior year to get looks you have likely waited too long. 2) From experience of being at GA showcases I can tell you that the number of coaches attending lower level GA teams (i.e. GA Navy vs whoever they play EVEN WHEN PLAYING IN THE TOP SHOWCASE DIVISION) pales in comparison to the number of coaches at GA Gold or other top teams. (8-10 average to 80 average) Extrapolating on this I can say I would expect the Composite teams got even fewer coaches there because they were ALWAYS playing someone else's second team. In addition, unlike the GA showcases which are all in one place, the Composite teams were sometimes playing at a different location albeit very nearby so that is even more so. If you want your current sophomore U17 ECRL player to be seen a lot then have her work her tail off emailing programs, making film, making an online brand on Twitter and Instagram, going to ID camps and picking her programs carefully. I really think that she has nothing to be worried about with regards to the lack of the Composite team. At AFU there is not going to be a difference between their prior Composite team exposure and the ECRL exposure. Besides you have Dom at that program and he helps a lot with recruiting. Take advantage of that. It will do a lot more for your player than being on the "Composite" team. |
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