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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 9, 2022 15:56:52 GMT -5
It's 5 pm on Friday and my inbox is full of assignors from all over the city looking to fill a few 'holes' in the schedule, followed by lists of dozens of games missing bodies, including many with the dreaded 'full crew.'
Moms, dads, siblings - wear your running shoes and get ready to pick up a flag.
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Post by rifle on Sept 9, 2022 16:39:27 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong.
We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 9, 2022 18:44:50 GMT -5
So many assignors hoping for rain!
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Sept 9, 2022 22:51:08 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong. We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out. Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. |
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Post by coffee on Sept 9, 2022 23:00:07 GMT -5
So many assignors hoping for rain! Rain won’t stop the games. Only lightning will do that. There was a lot of shuffling of games to get artificial turf fields. |
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Post by coffee on Sept 9, 2022 23:03:55 GMT -5
Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. i really like this idea. Also, to help with numbers they could make it so that players from leagues two tiers higher could ref games of the same age. |
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Post by rifle on Sept 10, 2022 6:41:16 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong. We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out. Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. This idea is great. Also players earning financial assistance should be required to referee. I would also like to see clubs promote and even subsidize referee certification classes and uniforms. It’s not inexpensive to start working as a ref - same for annual recertification. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 10, 2022 7:30:41 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong. We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out. Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. What a wonderful idea; it would instill responsibility, leadership, and entrepreneurship in the children while also putting money in their pockets. But hold on, there's just one little snag: parents. Said audience tends to think it's acceptable to lambast, vilify, and bemoan from the comfort of their cozy lounge seats a few feet from the pitch, even though they are typically not licensed referees themselves and, let's not forget, have children of their own. Children typically have an intrinsic fear of being screamed at and avoid it. Therefore, they detest donning the yellow and black outfit and receiving payment for being the object of sarcasm, hoaxes, and accusations of bias. So keep that in mind as the new footy season begins. They are young people with little experience who lack the maturity to debate or argue with grownups. They will err, but perhaps they will learn from their mistakes. Let's give them a break and concentrate on supporting our team and our adorable young Jane/Johnny instead. Wishing everyone luck this season... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 10, 2022 10:29:15 GMT -5
Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. What a wonderful idea; it would instill responsibility, leadership, and entrepreneurship in the children while also putting money in their pockets. But hold on, there's just one little snag: parents. Said audience tends to think it's acceptable to lambast, vilify, and bemoan from the comfort of their cozy lounge seats a few feet from the pitch, even though they are typically not licensed referees themselves and, let's not forget, have children of their own. Children typically have an intrinsic fear of being screamed at and avoid it. Therefore, they detest donning the yellow and black outfit and receiving payment for being the object of sarcasm, hoaxes, and accusations of bias. So keep that in mind as the new footy season begins. They are young people with little experience who lack the maturity to debate or argue with grownups. They will err, but perhaps they will learn from their mistakes. Let's give them a break and concentrate on supporting our team and our adorable young Jane/Johnny instead. Wishing everyone luck this season... My older one loved reffing until she started being verbally abused by her coach and then verbal abuse from random strangers hurt more. Remember that not only the kids get tired of being screamed at...plus you NEVER know what others are going thru...maybe there is a divorce, money troubles, ill parents/siblings/friends. Be kind. The only thing that deserves parents getting out of hand is when the ref is allowing dangerous play to go on. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 10, 2022 10:47:09 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong. We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out. Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. I'm not sure how much this would help in the fall. When top level teams are traveling, those certified aren't around to ref on the weekends. Heck, just having their own games scheduled most likely eliminates certified refs from being available. I don't know many kids willing to ref on a day when they play, especially early in the season when it is hot. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 10, 2022 10:49:36 GMT -5
Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. What a wonderful idea; it would instill responsibility, leadership, and entrepreneurship in the children while also putting money in their pockets. But hold on, there's just one little snag: parents. Said audience tends to think it's acceptable to lambast, vilify, and bemoan from the comfort of their cozy lounge seats a few feet from the pitch, even though they are typically not licensed referees themselves and, let's not forget, have children of their own. Children typically have an intrinsic fear of being screamed at and avoid it. Therefore, they detest donning the yellow and black outfit and receiving payment for being the object of sarcasm, hoaxes, and accusations of bias. So keep that in mind as the new footy season begins. They are young people with little experience who lack the maturity to debate or argue with grownups. They will err, but perhaps they will learn from their mistakes. Let's give them a break and concentrate on supporting our team and our adorable young Jane/Johnny instead. Wishing everyone luck this season... Last weekend we went to watch a friend's son play U7 football. While there he made an interesting comment, which I think would help in the soccer world. Apparently in youth football, at least here in Georgia, if parents yell at the refs, the head coach of the team gets fined. Could you imagine any of our club coaches getting fined because a parent mouths off to a ref? I'm thinking something like this would drastically reduce the amount of abuse the refs receive in youth soccer games. |
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Post by rifle on Sept 10, 2022 16:15:44 GMT -5
What a wonderful idea; it would instill responsibility, leadership, and entrepreneurship in the children while also putting money in their pockets. But hold on, there's just one little snag: parents. Said audience tends to think it's acceptable to lambast, vilify, and bemoan from the comfort of their cozy lounge seats a few feet from the pitch, even though they are typically not licensed referees themselves and, let's not forget, have children of their own. Children typically have an intrinsic fear of being screamed at and avoid it. Therefore, they detest donning the yellow and black outfit and receiving payment for being the object of sarcasm, hoaxes, and accusations of bias. So keep that in mind as the new footy season begins. They are young people with little experience who lack the maturity to debate or argue with grownups. They will err, but perhaps they will learn from their mistakes. Let's give them a break and concentrate on supporting our team and our adorable young Jane/Johnny instead. Wishing everyone luck this season... Last weekend we went to watch a friend's son play U7 football. While there he made an interesting comment, which I think would help in the soccer world. Apparently in youth football, at least here in Georgia, if parents yell at the refs, the head coach of the team gets fined. Could you imagine any of our club coaches getting fined because a parent mouths off to a ref? I'm thinking something like this would drastically reduce the amount of abuse the refs receive in youth soccer games. Love that. I wish soccer referees were treated like rugby referees. |
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Post by randomparent on Sept 10, 2022 20:48:35 GMT -5
Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. This idea is great. Also players earning financial assistance should be required to referee. I would also like to see clubs promote and even subsidize referee certification classes and uniforms. It’s not inexpensive to start working as a ref - same for annual recertification. Agreed on the annual certification costs. If you do it in December it is around 100 bucks. My son was gone from 2:30 to go to his game and got home at 6:30. Made 50 bucks over two games. That is just over 12 bucks an hour, or the starting hourly wage to work at mc donalds. Anyways, he would need to work a full eight hours just to get to break even on his recertification without needing a watch, shorts, socks, flags, cards, yellow, green, etc jersey... In the end the actual hourly wage sucks. I am not sure why anyone thinks its a good job? The ONLY reason I even have my son do it is, its a low commitment way to make some extra money and lets him learn to deal with aholes. This is all relative to kids looking for some extra money not the serious refs doing a U17 ECNL game. |
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Post by randomparent on Sept 10, 2022 20:51:10 GMT -5
The desperation from the booker this fall is strong. We need more of the good people on this message board to get certified. It’s a cool way to stay close to the game even after your kids age out. Clubs should make it a requirement of players to become certified. It’s a way they could earn back their club fees. Awful idea. Please never propose an idea again. |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 10, 2022 22:00:06 GMT -5
This idea is great. Also players earning financial assistance should be required to referee. I would also like to see clubs promote and even subsidize referee certification classes and uniforms. It’s not inexpensive to start working as a ref - same for annual recertification. Agreed on the annual certification costs. If you do it in December it is around 100 bucks. My son was gone from 2:30 to go to his game and got home at 6:30. Made 50 bucks over two games. That is just over 12 bucks an hour, or the starting hourly wage to work at mc donalds. Anyways, he would need to work a full eight hours just to get to break even on his recertification without needing a watch, shorts, socks, flags, cards, yellow, green, etc jersey... In the end the actual hourly wage sucks. I am not sure why anyone thinks its a good job? The ONLY reason I even have my son do it is, its a low commitment way to make some extra money and lets him learn to deal with aholes. This is all relative to kids looking for some extra money not the serious refs doing a U17 ECNL game. Only $50 for two games? Jeez poor kid is at one of those clubs that pay their Refs terribly. I mean you can ARs two U13 games for at least $50 and that’s only 3 hours. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 11, 2022 8:50:16 GMT -5
I’ve been saying this for 10 years
1. Any kid receiving financial aid to play should be required to ref
2. In house lower age Rec games should be able to use in house referees that don’t require certification
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Post by dc on Sept 11, 2022 12:16:41 GMT -5
I’ve been saying this for 10 years 1. Any kid receiving financial aid to play should be required to ref 2. In house lower age Rec games should be able to use in house referees that don’t require certification Teenagers forced to do something they have no interest in doing. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 11, 2022 21:09:09 GMT -5
I’ve been saying this for 10 years 1. Any kid receiving financial aid to play should be required to ref 2. In house lower age Rec games should be able to use in house referees that don’t require certification Teenagers forced to do something they have no interest in doing. What could possibly go wrong? That is a good point. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 12, 2022 6:59:49 GMT -5
Agreed on the annual certification costs. If you do it in December it is around 100 bucks. My son was gone from 2:30 to go to his game and got home at 6:30. Made 50 bucks over two games. That is just over 12 bucks an hour, or the starting hourly wage to work at mc donalds. Anyways, he would need to work a full eight hours just to get to break even on his recertification without needing a watch, shorts, socks, flags, cards, yellow, green, etc jersey... In the end the actual hourly wage sucks. I am not sure why anyone thinks its a good job? The ONLY reason I even have my son do it is, its a low commitment way to make some extra money and lets him learn to deal with aholes. This is all relative to kids looking for some extra money not the serious refs doing a U17 ECNL game. Only $50 for two games? Jeez poor kid is at one of those clubs that pay their Refs terribly. I mean you can ARs two U13 games for at least $50 and that’s only 3 hours. Yeah He must be getting some lower level recreation type games only getting paid that much. My son makes way more than that refereeing as do I. For him it is good money probably equivalent to what he would make at a Chick-Fil-a or something but he gets to set his own hours when he wants to work. For me it really isn't about the money. I enjoy doing it when I am available to do it especially if I can referee with my son. The money isn't great for an adult unless you are doing ECNL/MLS Next type games, but it isn't horrible to watch a game you like and to get to exercise while getting paid. |
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Post by soccergator on Sept 12, 2022 7:36:12 GMT -5
We had a funny incident yesterday. I'll set the scene for those familiar with fowler park. We were playing on field 9, the lower middle turf field. AR calls offside, the play was about 10 yards in front of him, play occurred on the side of the field back against the treeline/fence. |___  ____________________________________________________________________________________| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  |-------------------------------------------------120 yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------| --------- 30 yards ---------| The ball represents where the offside was, the smile faces represents where the parent was, ~ 150 yards away from the play................... Parent immediately screams - "That's not offside, there is no way he was offside" For the next 15 minutes I was fascinated by this parents ability to see offside 150 yards away, and he wasn't even perpendicular to the play. Guy is literally a superhero, he was 45+ years of age also, so his vision and depth perception is absolutely incredible. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 12, 2022 7:48:27 GMT -5
My thoughts on what will and won't work to fix the problem.
Forcing kids to certify and referee younger ages in club would result in ambivalent teens standing around in the middle of the field. Not good. Some would be great, many would not.
I've never liked the idea of making financial aid kids work - concession stand or anywhere else. It's not their fault the family has little $$ and it only stigmatizes them as all the teammates and clubmates would learn their status. Sure, most already know, but why throw it in their face? I'm by no means a socialist, but punishing kids for their parents issues isn't right.
What will work:
Each club should have a Director of Referees responsible for the recruiting, development, assigning, and maintenance of referees. How many full-time DOCs and coaches does each super club have? Tens, right, if not more. How many full-time adults focusing on referees? Zero.
Most clubs have one or more assignors, which is mostly a part-time job aimed mostly at putting bodies on the field. They have neither the time or resources to recruit, develop, and assess referees. This is not a knock on any assignor - they are simply not given the tools needed.
Clubs put mongo dollars into developing high level players then act surprised when there is a dearth of high level referees. Want better referees? Clubs need to open their wallets.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 12, 2022 8:19:47 GMT -5
My thoughts on what will and won't work to fix the problem. Forcing kids to certify and referee younger ages in club would result in ambivalent teens standing around in the middle of the field. Not good. Some would be great, many would not. I've never liked the idea of making financial aid kids work - concession stand or anywhere else. It's not their fault the family has little $$ and it only stigmatizes them as all the teammates and clubmates would learn their status. Sure, most already know, but why throw it in their face? I'm by no means a socialist, but punishing kids for their parents issues isn't right. What will work: Each club should have a Director of Referees responsible for the recruiting, development, assigning, and maintenance of referees. How many full-time DOCs and coaches does each super club have? Tens, right, if not more. How many full-time adults focusing on referees? Zero. Most clubs have one or more assignors, which is mostly a part-time job aimed mostly at putting bodies on the field. They have neither the time or resources to recruit, develop, and assess referees. This is not a knock on any assignor - they are simply not given the tools needed. Clubs put mongo dollars into developing high level players then act surprised when there is a dearth of high level referees. Want better referees? Clubs need to open their wallets. Well the clubs are kind of starting that thanks to that USSoccer blood money. www.georgiasoccer.org/innovate-to-grow-grant/ |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 12, 2022 11:55:35 GMT -5
We had a funny incident yesterday. I'll set the scene for those familiar with fowler park. We were playing on field 9, the lower middle turf field. AR calls offside, the play was about 10 yards in front of him, play occurred on the side of the field back against the treeline/fence. |___ ____________________________________________________________________________________| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |-------------------------------------------------120 yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------| --------- 30 yards ---------| The ball represents where the offside was, the smile faces represents where the parent was, ~ 150 yards away from the play................... Parent immediately screams - "That's not offside, there is no way he was offside" For the next 15 minutes I was fascinated by this parents ability to see offside 150 yards away, and he wasn't even perpendicular to the play. Guy is literally a superhero, he was 45+ years of age also, so his vision and depth perception is absolutely incredible. I got one better for you. I was AR2 for a game yesterday in line with the team coach and bench who was offense on my side. They had a player that just lived offside easily 5 feet or more almost every time the ball was kicked toward him. The Coach can clearly see he is offside all these times he was pretty much in-line with me enough to see it every time. He complained every time I called offside. None of the parents for that team ever complained once, just the coach every time. Eventually the center told him to basically shut up, and he quit, but then he passively aggressively stayed in line with the 2nd to the last defender the rest of the game watching the line. I still called more offside on the same guy multiple more times. I realize coaches try to make it the referee's fault a lot, but at some point you need to pull the player off and coach him to stay onside and not blame everyone but him. |
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Sept 12, 2022 13:04:04 GMT -5
We had a funny incident yesterday. I'll set the scene for those familiar with fowler park. We were playing on field 9, the lower middle turf field. AR calls offside, the play was about 10 yards in front of him, play occurred on the side of the field back against the treeline/fence. |___ ____________________________________________________________________________________| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |-------------------------------------------------120 yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------| --------- 30 yards ---------| The ball represents where the offside was, the smile faces represents where the parent was, ~ 150 yards away from the play................... Parent immediately screams - "That's not offside, there is no way he was offside" For the next 15 minutes I was fascinated by this parents ability to see offside 150 yards away, and he wasn't even perpendicular to the play. Guy is literally a superhero, he was 45+ years of age also, so his vision and depth perception is absolutely incredible. I got one better for you. I was AR2 for a game yesterday in line with the team coach and bench who was offense on my side. They had a player that just lived offside easily 5 feet or more almost every time the ball was kicked toward him. The Coach can clearly see he is offside all these times he was pretty much in-line with me enough to see it every time. He complained every time I called offside. None of the parents for that team ever complained once, just the coach every time. Eventually the center told him to basically shut up, and he quit, but then he passively aggressively stayed in line with the 2nd to the last defender the rest of the game watching the line. I still called more offside on the same guy multiple more times. I realize coaches try to make it the referee's fault a lot, but at some point you need to pull the player off and coach him to stay onside and not blame everyone but him. You’re making the assumption that they want to develop a player. |
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Post by rifle on Sept 12, 2022 15:53:23 GMT -5
I work a lot of adult men over 30 games. Mostly to get paid to exercise like SlickDaddy said but also because I love soccer and my kids aged out of club soccer. Also I mostly work as an AR due to being old (and still trying to decide if I’m willing to put up with the irritation). They’re generally still pretty good players but they’re whiny bizatches.
One guy in particular, a former pro from Brazil, likes to do the Josef gimmick of hanging behind the last defender. He is extremely good at stepping around or level just as the ball is being played to him (around or over the defense). Onside 9/10 times.
The defenders cry EVERY time there is no flag - insisting it’s impossible that he is onside. Every time they look over at me (in perfect position and focused - because it’s not easy to do a good job)…. And I just stare back. They ask “what number kept him on”? And I say YOU!!! They stomp around a bit and eventually get over it.
Sometimes they say thanks for putting up with our BS.
But that is why there aren’t enough referees. Even guys that played all their life just whine constantly.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 12, 2022 16:16:31 GMT -5
I work a lot of adult men over 30 games. Mostly to get paid to exercise like SlickDaddy said but also because I love soccer and my kids ages out of club soccer. Also I mostly work as an AR due to being old (and still trying to decide if I’m willing to put up with the irritation). They’re generally still pretty good players but they’re whiny bizatches. One guy in particular, a former pro from Brazil, likes to do the Josef gimmick of hanging behind the last defender. He is extremely good at stepping around or level just as the ball is being played to him (around or over the defense). Onside 9/10 times. The defenders cry EVERY time there is no flag - insisting it’s impossible that he is onside. Every time they look over at me (in perfect position and focused - because it’s not easy to do a good job)…. And I just stare back. They ask “what number kept him on”? And I say YOU!!! They stomp around a bit and eventually get over it. Sometimes they say thanks for putting up with our BS. But that is why there aren’t enough referees. Even guys that played all their life just whine constantly. Adult games are the worst. I refuse to do them anymore. It isn't worth the money. When I did them, I told them they whined more than a U13 girls team or boys team. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 12, 2022 18:52:53 GMT -5
We had a funny incident yesterday. I'll set the scene for those familiar with fowler park. We were playing on field 9, the lower middle turf field. AR calls offside, the play was about 10 yards in front of him, play occurred on the side of the field back against the treeline/fence. |___ ____________________________________________________________________________________| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |-------------------------------------------------120 yards ----------------------------------------------------------------------| --------- 30 yards ---------| The ball represents where the offside was, the smile faces represents where the parent was, ~ 150 yards away from the play................... Parent immediately screams - "That's not offside, there is no way he was offside" For the next 15 minutes I was fascinated by this parents ability to see offside 150 yards away, and he wasn't even perpendicular to the play. Guy is literally a superhero, he was 45+ years of age also, so his vision and depth perception is absolutely incredible. I got one better for you. I was AR2 for a game yesterday in line with the team coach and bench who was offense on my side. They had a player that just lived offside easily 5 feet or more almost every time the ball was kicked toward him. The Coach can clearly see he is offside all these times he was pretty much in-line with me enough to see it every time. He complained every time I called offside. None of the parents for that team ever complained once, just the coach every time. Eventually the center told him to basically shut up, and he quit, but then he passively aggressively stayed in line with the 2nd to the last defender the rest of the game watching the line. I still called more offside on the same guy multiple more times. I realize coaches try to make it the referee's fault a lot, but at some point you need to pull the player off and coach him to stay onside and not blame everyone but him. How about this one? This is against the ref. I am about 10 yards from the center line. He is over 10 yards further away from the center line than I am. The defenders and the attackers are all in our defensive half for a corner. The striker is on OUR side of the center circle. My child gets the ball and takes two touches and sees that she has a line to play the striker. She plays the striker who was in her own defensive half when the ball was played but received the ball 2 steps onto the attacking half. The AR is more than 20 yards from the center line and the last defender, but calls it offsides. Our coach goes mental. Not only was the AR way far out of position, but he called offsides when it was not even possible. This guy was easily 60 years old so not a kid. Horrible call. Luckily we were way ahead so it didn't matter except for stats tho there is the goal differential issue... |
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Post by rifle on Sept 12, 2022 21:18:48 GMT -5
I got one better for you. I was AR2 for a game yesterday in line with the team coach and bench who was offense on my side. They had a player that just lived offside easily 5 feet or more almost every time the ball was kicked toward him. The Coach can clearly see he is offside all these times he was pretty much in-line with me enough to see it every time. He complained every time I called offside. None of the parents for that team ever complained once, just the coach every time. Eventually the center told him to basically shut up, and he quit, but then he passively aggressively stayed in line with the 2nd to the last defender the rest of the game watching the line. I still called more offside on the same guy multiple more times. I realize coaches try to make it the referee's fault a lot, but at some point you need to pull the player off and coach him to stay onside and not blame everyone but him. How about this one? This is against the ref. I am about 10 yards from the center line. He is over 10 yards further away from the center line than I am. The defenders and the attackers are all in our defensive half for a corner. The striker is on OUR side of the center circle. My child gets the ball and takes two touches and sees that she has a line to play the striker. She plays the striker who was in her own defensive half when the ball was played but received the ball 2 steps onto the attacking half. The AR is more than 20 yards from the center line and the last defender, but calls it offsides. Our coach goes mental. Not only was the AR way far out of position, but he called offsides when it was not even possible. This guy was easily 60 years old so not a kid. Horrible call. Luckily we were way ahead so it didn't matter except for stats tho there is the goal differential issue... having done the job many times now myself… the ONLY time I would question an AR is when they aren’t in position. Otherwise they call what they see and that’s that. There isn’t VAR you just have to decide based on what you saw - and then live with it. |
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Post by coffee on Sept 12, 2022 22:25:02 GMT -5
I work a lot of adult men over 30 games. Mostly to get paid to exercise like SlickDaddy said but also because I love soccer and my kids aged out of club soccer. Also I mostly work as an AR due to being old (and still trying to decide if I’m willing to put up with the irritation). They’re generally still pretty good players but they’re whiny bizatches. One guy in particular, a former pro from Brazil, likes to do the Josef gimmick of hanging behind the last defender. He is extremely good at stepping around or level just as the ball is being played to him (around or over the defense). Onside 9/10 times. The defenders cry EVERY time there is no flag - insisting it’s impossible that he is onside. Every time they look over at me (in perfect position and focused - because it’s not easy to do a good job)…. And I just stare back. They ask “what number kept him on”? And I say YOU!!! They stomp around a bit and eventually get over it. Sometimes they say thanks for putting up with our BS. But that is why there aren’t enough referees. Even guys that played all their life just whine constantly. I honestly don’t know how you do it. I play 35+ lacrosse and am very grateful for our refs. I get pissed hearing the Btchng at soccer game and lacrosse games, and I’m not even the ref. Thank you for ref’ing games and putting up with all of the $#!7. There are many of us (fans and players) that appreciate you. I thank the refs almost every game. . . . almost.  |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 13, 2022 8:20:15 GMT -5
I got one better for you. I was AR2 for a game yesterday in line with the team coach and bench who was offense on my side. They had a player that just lived offside easily 5 feet or more almost every time the ball was kicked toward him. The Coach can clearly see he is offside all these times he was pretty much in-line with me enough to see it every time. He complained every time I called offside. None of the parents for that team ever complained once, just the coach every time. Eventually the center told him to basically shut up, and he quit, but then he passively aggressively stayed in line with the 2nd to the last defender the rest of the game watching the line. I still called more offside on the same guy multiple more times. I realize coaches try to make it the referee's fault a lot, but at some point you need to pull the player off and coach him to stay onside and not blame everyone but him. How about this one? This is against the ref. I am about 10 yards from the center line. He is over 10 yards further away from the center line than I am. The defenders and the attackers are all in our defensive half for a corner. The striker is on OUR side of the center circle. My child gets the ball and takes two touches and sees that she has a line to play the striker. She plays the striker who was in her own defensive half when the ball was played but received the ball 2 steps onto the attacking half. The AR is more than 20 yards from the center line and the last defender, but calls it offsides. Our coach goes mental. Not only was the AR way far out of position, but he called offsides when it was not even possible. This guy was easily 60 years old so not a kid. Horrible call. Luckily we were way ahead so it didn't matter except for stats tho there is the goal differential issue... Yep it happens. I have seen this happen personally watching my kid's games where either the referee is a teenager and doesn't fully realize the rule or just was out of position. i have also had a Center call this when the AR didn't as well, and I've actually been an AR when a Center called this situation offside not trusting that I actually saw it was on. We had a serious discussion after the game about that. Now I have also had the following scenario happen several times as well and the Coach go ballistic when he was absolutely wrong. Striker is on the opposing half of the field in an offside position and then come back into his own defensive half to get the ball off a pass and is the first person to touch it. That is offside because he came from an offside position, and the only time a player could be called offside on his own half because he came from an offside position. A lot of referees (especially young ones) miss this call all the time, and when a referee calls it generally the coach and parents go ballistic because they don't know the rules or didn't see that he came from an offside position. |
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